ArcaneLegend
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id like to duel some of u. tho my pally is not that great since i cant afford high-end items, i wouldnt mind giving it a shot. i sorta followed ur guide...sorta.
Zealot PvP Guide
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Jayaz_Forteck
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Stoutwood said:
They did it by knowing basic programming skills, and reading the single-player mpq data. This allowed them to find exact breakpoints.
The idea that because a weapon has a shorter range is somehow requires less ar to hit your target seems illogical.
inkanddagger
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Jayaz_Forteck said:
oh yeah? I want to see YOU zealing with a broomstick.
Whatever. Don't believe it if you want. I tested it. It worked. I put it in my guide. I just supply the information. I'm not going to force this down your throats. The term "guide" means that you can follow it as far as you want to. You don't even seem to want to give it a shot, and even if you do, your prejudices will get in the way. I'll test it once more to be, as strength_honor says "200% sure", but that is the end of this debate.
xpumafangx
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Stout I just read it. Good guild and all. The ideal of using enigma to get a hugh bost of str so you can add to vita messed me up. One thing that I did see was that fleshripper can only get to 5fps zeal. You did say that it was slow so.
Alright we did another test. This one was a bit more foolproof than the first one. The weapon tester was a paladin with 11.6K AR. The target was a paladin with 26.8. Fewer variables, fewer room for error. The tester performed 50 zeals with each weapon. Here are the results:
Berserker Axe:
16/50 zeals hit the target.
War Spike:
26/50 zeals hit the target.
As a control test, Keebler_GoDs (Favors a BotD Berserker by the way) and Butthead_EotD performed the same thing with only 10 zeals. Their results were similar. Keebler_GoDs is now considering switching his primary weapon. This is the last time I perform this test. Here is the information. Whether you choose to believe it or not is your privilege.
Berserker Axe:
16/50 zeals hit the target.
War Spike:
26/50 zeals hit the target.
As a control test, Keebler_GoDs (Favors a BotD Berserker by the way) and Butthead_EotD performed the same thing with only 10 zeals. Their results were similar. Keebler_GoDs is now considering switching his primary weapon. This is the last time I perform this test. Here is the information. Whether you choose to believe it or not is your privilege.
Jayaz_Forteck
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*lifts nose* I choose not to 
belth said:
Yes blocking was 75%. And we tried to keep the number of hits low so they were easy to measure. Its was a highlords/raven combo on the actual test. The control test was done by a guy with about 17K AR, and the range difference showed up even more for him. The problem was, he kept killing his target with the spike, so they had to keep restarting the test until they managed to get a system going.
LovelyGods
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....Now u know y i get frustrated.
first off, u forgot to mention -xx target defense, that has something to do with it.
also, i noticed with Kirs last night, he used eth botd war spike, and had 10k ar, i used razor and had 17k ar, he hit more then me in some occoasions.
i think if u have Higher range weapon, u dont need as much ar,
Lower Range, means u need more Ar.
now i didn't test this but it seems right.
first off, u forgot to mention -xx target defense, that has something to do with it.
also, i noticed with Kirs last night, he used eth botd war spike, and had 10k ar, i used razor and had 17k ar, he hit more then me in some occoasions.
i think if u have Higher range weapon, u dont need as much ar,
Lower Range, means u need more Ar.
now i didn't test this but it seems right.
LovelyGods
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ok ok dont look at my last post, rees just pointed out that i said that backwards..
Low Range Weapon means that u dont need high ar to hit.
High Range Weapon means that u need a higher ar to hit.
Low Range Weapon means that u dont need high ar to hit.
High Range Weapon means that u need a higher ar to hit.
Jayaz_Forteck
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If you had 75% block, then ar and defense nonwithstanding your numbers should have been close to 12.5/50 for both, can you explain why you hit so many more times?
Jayaz_Forteck said:
I've been explaining that this whole time
Edit: It's interesting to note that you are performing the opposite of scientific method. I test, and you try to explain why the test sucks because your numbers don't fit. From now on, I'm done with this and there will be no more posts on this topic. It's been tested, whatever you're using to calculate hit percents isn't taking something into account. It seems that what isn't being taken into account is ranges. I could be wrong, but the tests back me up. Until you have something to throw at me besides formulas, this debate is closed. Does anyone have constructive criticism?
ArcaneLegend
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i agree with LovelyGods' statement cuz i have seen actual evidence of it.
i dueled a zealot who was lvl 83 using eth exile (god that life tap was annoying), ebotd zerker, enigma, and angelics. he also used cta. i was lvl 77 using ebotd war spike (yes i finally got one), SS, shako, angelic ammy and one ring. i had about 1.5k life, 11k ar, and 12k def, and i expected him to have a lot more of everything. to my surprise i beat him most of the time.
shorter range, lower dmg, lower life, lower def, lower ar...it still worked...so i believe their theory and test results. so for all of u who drool at the sight of high dmg, its time to look at things in a different perspective.
i dueled a zealot who was lvl 83 using eth exile (god that life tap was annoying), ebotd zerker, enigma, and angelics. he also used cta. i was lvl 77 using ebotd war spike (yes i finally got one
), SS, shako, angelic ammy and one ring. i had about 1.5k life, 11k ar, and 12k def, and i expected him to have a lot more of everything. to my surprise i beat him most of the time. shorter range, lower dmg, lower life, lower def, lower ar...it still worked...so i believe their theory and test results. so for all of u who drool at the sight of high dmg, its time to look at things in a different perspective.
Jayaz_Forteck
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*grumbles* your numbers are off with all the weapons...
Soooooo, has anyone here tried the heaven's light mighty scepter? Maybe not the best weapon, but it looks like a good one none the less. 1-3 sockets, 33% cb, 2-3 pally skills, and some other mods.
http://www.purediablo.com/items/uniques/weapons_scepters-elite.shtml
Soooooo, has anyone here tried the heaven's light mighty scepter? Maybe not the best weapon, but it looks like a good one none the less. 1-3 sockets, 33% cb, 2-3 pally skills, and some other mods.
http://www.purediablo.com/items/uniques/weapons_scepters-elite.shtml
Something seriously needs to be done about the items section of www.purediablo.com. A ton of the items on there are have incorrect stats. If you are going to look at weapons people, use the Arreat Summit!
ArcaneLegend
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o yea my mistake with my previous post...
the zealot i dueled against didnt wear enigma. he wore ethereal templars might which was just over 2.8k def. this brought on even more surprise as to how i beat him.
the zealot i dueled against didnt wear enigma. he wore ethereal templars might which was just over 2.8k def. this brought on even more surprise as to how i beat him.
