I think you are taking too light on the fhr issue. I remember back in the days of old (1.09) me and princeper were having a duel. I consider him one of the best paladins out there, and expected him to own me big time. To my surprise i killed him the first two times. He added up some more charms to get 86 fhr (4:th frame) and he smacked me duel after duel. Shure, as defence is a bigger issue in 1.10 fhr maybe has lost its importance. I wouldnt build a zealer without 86fhr tho..
Zealot PvP Guide
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"Questioner: How much faster hit recovery should I aim for?
Stoutwood: Consider this: A zealot gets hit on average 3-6 times per duel. He will not need to recover often. What is a good middle ground that is easy to achieve without sacrificing gear?"
This is what i can find concerning fhr in your guide. Imo you dont stress this enuff. Otherwise great guide.
Stoutwood: Consider this: A zealot gets hit on average 3-6 times per duel. He will not need to recover often. What is a good middle ground that is easy to achieve without sacrificing gear?"
This is what i can find concerning fhr in your guide. Imo you dont stress this enuff. Otherwise great guide.
To be honest, that's all that I think it rates. With most of the gear suggested, you should manage to hit the fhr breakpoints without trying. What I was trying to say in the FAQs was that fhr matters less in 1.10. You aren't getting hit very often. In fact, the way to win duels is usually to prevent the opposition from hitting you in the first place. I have yet to see even a high-life build be able to take more than 6 hits, and in that case he was getting hit by the min damage of a cryptic sword several times. FHR is good to have, but I don't think it needs to be discussed at length anymore like it did in 1.09. Still, I might add a bit more on the subject if I can convince the mods to let me edit the guide.
Just my 2 cents here:
Armors that should be added:
new runeword (the cool one, dunno name, prudence meh thinks)
4 sock/fhr-life plates with the following jewels in them: ed/str-ed/life-ed/fhr-ed/ele dmg (i got a 156ed/4-323 light dmg plate, and it roxxors)
And one thing i have found to be true on my zealot: hoz+verdungo's (14-15%)+ ber ber 15% dmg red CoA > Storm build, been testing a lot with my zealot lately, and i have found this build to be the most efficient.
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Armors that should be added:
new runeword (the cool one, dunno name, prudence meh thinks)
4 sock/fhr-life plates with the following jewels in them: ed/str-ed/life-ed/fhr-ed/ele dmg (i got a 156ed/4-323 light dmg plate, and it roxxors)
And one thing i have found to be true on my zealot: hoz+verdungo's (14-15%)+ ber ber 15% dmg red CoA > Storm build, been testing a lot with my zealot lately, and i have found this build to be the most efficient.
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YomoKimyata
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Stoutwood said:
Ragnarok- said:
I'm glad you reminded me about that weapon. I'll add it next draft.
chaos9 said:
Melee characters in general do poorly against casters. I stated in the guide that this is pretty much a melee-only build.
YomoKimyata said:
Charge increases the opponent's chance of critical striking you. Basically, opening up with a charge is a good way to start off the round with half of your life gone. As for the shorter range comment, you seem to be mistaking "hits more often" for "swings more often". When tested side by side, a BotD Zerker (Range 3) will swing just as fast as a BotD War Spike (Range 2). The Zerker will hit from further away. However, the War Spike will have a higher chance of hitting the enemy. This means that attack rating isn't as necessary with a War Spike.
Edit: Prudence and Duress are already in the guide. Read the whole thing before you post please!
ArcaneLegend
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Stoutwood said:
AznAvatar said:
The USWEST zealots have tested this extensively. We tried one formal test for about 2 hours. Both zealots had 26.3K defense and 10.7K AR. One used a BotD Berserker, while the other (me) used a BotD War Spike. Each zealot attacked the other with 50 zeal groups (250 swings). The BotD Berzerker hit 18/50 zeals, while the BotD War Spike hit 31/50 zeals. This reflects the zealot duels that happen in Temple. War spikes (Range 2) always hit more often than berserker axes (Range 3), and Razors' Edges (Range 1) hit much more often than War Spikes. The Razors' Edge wasn't included in the test because of the -33% Target Defense, as opposed to the -25% in the BotDs.
ArcaneLegend
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wow...statistical experts. anyway, great guide!!!
Kirby Hunter
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Stout, IYO Whats better for Bleeder zealots
Eth Razors Edge
VS
Fury Caddy/Whatever u think is better for fury^^
Eth Razors Edge
VS
Fury Caddy/Whatever u think is better for fury^^
LovelyGods
Banned
10.7k ar doesn't screw the test.
its a very reasonable ar that most zealots get, at least over 10k ar.
with my 95% Ds setup i have 11k ar. And Guess what, i hit 35+/50 times with using 11k ar and a range 1 weapon. So as the testing shows, range matters in zeal. Since ur right (practicaly on top) of the opponent, ........
ok thik of it like this..
one person has a dinner fork, and the other person has a broom, both people are zealing, now both people get within 1 foot of each other, the person with the fork has no problem hitting his broom'ed opponent, because the fork is small and has a range of 1, but the person with the broom has range 3, so that means, they do best when that attack about 3 feet from the opponent. It takes more time for the broom to reload and take aim when they are in 1 foot range of attacking. They have to pick up the broom bring it around the person and zeal again, then pick it up, bring it around the person and zeal again. Takes more time then just Zeal, Zeal,Zeal from the fork.
SO. range 1 and range 2 hits more often IN ZEALOT DUELS then range 3.
dont quote me on that, but thats just what i think. I belielve rees would agree with me on that, we dueled like 70 duels in private that one day, him using range 2 and me range 1. i believe it was fairly even but overall i had the advantage using a range 1.
~~ And for ur noobs out there from the other night, yes, i do indeed do 5k damage, and no im not hacked.~~
its a very reasonable ar that most zealots get, at least over 10k ar.
with my 95% Ds setup i have 11k ar. And Guess what, i hit 35+/50 times with using 11k ar and a range 1 weapon. So as the testing shows, range matters in zeal. Since ur right (practicaly on top) of the opponent, ........
ok thik of it like this..
one person has a dinner fork, and the other person has a broom, both people are zealing, now both people get within 1 foot of each other, the person with the fork has no problem hitting his broom'ed opponent, because the fork is small and has a range of 1, but the person with the broom has range 3, so that means, they do best when that attack about 3 feet from the opponent. It takes more time for the broom to reload and take aim when they are in 1 foot range of attacking. They have to pick up the broom bring it around the person and zeal again, then pick it up, bring it around the person and zeal again. Takes more time then just Zeal, Zeal,Zeal from the fork.
SO. range 1 and range 2 hits more often IN ZEALOT DUELS then range 3.
dont quote me on that, but thats just what i think. I belielve rees would agree with me on that, we dueled like 70 duels in private that one day, him using range 2 and me range 1. i believe it was fairly even but overall i had the advantage using a range 1.
~~ And for ur noobs out there from the other night, yes, i do indeed do 5k damage, and no im not hacked.~~
if any of u are europe sc nl then i would love some duels!! Kirby Hunter said:
I would say the Fury weapon, since it has a higher chance of open wounds, thus leaving you more options for other gear. As for a good fury weapon, It's really a matter of opinion. I like a lot of them, and I don't want to list them all off. Pick a weapon you like with 3 sockets and it will probably make a decent fury.
