You know, duping is a GOOD thing.

[Dracoy]

Oh btw, ladder won't be clean for long.

Basically some guy is paying 100-200 rune worth of currency for the first rune + the guarantee of returning the same rune within the hour.

Basically dupes will flood the market within the end of day because people want the runewords that badly.

 

[drconfused]

So I guess we wait and see if Bliz has anything up there sleave and wait and see how long before the first hr drops.

 

[brokensvt]

Six months of solo/party play brought me 5 legit Ists, 1 legit Lo, 1 legit Ohm, 3 legit Guls and countless Um's. That's MY luck, it could have been anyone and it could have been any rune(s). Therefore I propose that it is indeed possible to create some nice runewords with legit runes.

To head off any questions that will likely come, I run a business 50+ hours a week, raise 3 children, spend time with my wife and play with the kids plenty, then top it all off with wayyyyyy too much playtime after all else are in bed.

To sum it all up, despite the fact that all the overpowered runewords do make this game interesting, duping is NEVER a good thing.

 

[drconfused]

It is more than feasible for any and all runewords to be made in a legit d2 economy, you will find gg items eventually and somone will pay for them with legit hi runes, it will certainly take longer than in a dupe economy but still very feasible.

 

[Lopen]

Please. Get off your moral high horses. If you think I should need to play this game 10 hours a day to feasibly use hrs at all, you can have that game. Me? I'll be happier with the "corrupted" game we have now. It's certainly a far cry from zods littering the ground in the rogue encampment, so don't give me that crap.

And it's not like I'm even caring about the godly runewords especially more. I'm just using Last Wish as an example because it has 6 hr in it. Chaos and Dragon are two ladder runewords I think are neat and try to make. Is Chaos particularly godly? I wouldn't say so. And yet, it's the only way to try out a character build.

Dragon? That especially, not very good. Filled with moderately good modifiers, but I'd rather use a ton of much easier to find unique armors.

I don't approve of duping, but I disapprove of D2's BS drop rates even more. I'm just choosing the lesser of two evils, here.

As for brokensvt... six months of legit play (and from your post, it sounds like you played a lot) to get enough runes to make maybe two or three good runewords. I'm not impressed. Especially considering ideally that's a whole ladder season right there.

 

[BarbieSlawter]

After reading all these posts I get the idea of Duping = bad and good. But to discourage duping, blizzard could make the ratio for high runes but then again there are dedicated players who get it all legit.

 

[drconfused]

oh yeah morale high horse... I certainly will not pimp out support for dupping, and I think your being closed minded in only seeing the hrs.. do you only trade hrs for hrs? no, how often have you got a rare circlet that had 2 to skills and some other mods? how many pskulls have you found, how much crafting supplies have you found or other odds and ends that when gathered would be able to trade for a legit hr?... so there is no need for dupes, unless you want every other player with all those mighty runewords..

and darn straight that I expect to find and have more than a person who plays 1/10th the time that I do.

 

[Josiphos]

BTW...I made 4 LastWish's before the reset....I'm gonna be rich NL =D

You and the 30,000 other people who thought of the same thing are going to get a harsh lesson in economics.

 

[drconfused]

good one Josiphos, I think you hit it on the button there.

 

[Rezefty]

The real question is.

do YOU need the runewords items?

if you ask me it seems most just want, no real need.

Nothing wrong with making very hard to obtain runewords if you ask me.

Time played should give rewards.

 

[buttershug]

After reading all these posts I get the idea of Duping = bad and good. But to discourage duping, blizzard could make the ratio for high runes but then again there are dedicated players who get it all legit.

Carefull now, that's how young Anakin was turned.

 

[brokensvt]

As for brokensvt... six months of legit play (and from your post, it sounds like you played a lot) to get enough runes to make maybe two or three good runewords. I'm not impressed. Especially considering ideally that's a whole ladder season right there.

Thanks, mr. 16 post count-do you mind if I call you that-mr. 16 post count? Anyway...

You, like many others completely miss the point. This game, like others, was meant to be played(*gasp*) and enjoyed rather than rushed through to the end and basking in uber-leetness. What has occured is a slide toward the latter. The reason I mentioned what I did is to prove that the drop rate is just as intended. Now, had you played the game for six months legitimately and enjoyed a similar drop rate, you and I may have met up in some random trade game with our LEGIT runes and made a worthwhile swap. Had this occured a few times perhaps those of us who DESERVE the drops that we earned might garner the items needed to make what we NEEDED for a build.

Interesting concept, no?

 

[TheSatan]

Oh btw, ladder won't be clean for long.

Basically some guy is paying 100-200 rune worth of currency for the first rune + the guarantee of returning the same rune within the hour.

Basically dupes will flood the market within the end of day because people want the runewords that badly.

Yep pretty sad isnt it? He's almost undoubtedly has some connection to the item shops too.

 

[Josiphos]

after the rust storm and ladder reset, it will take 2 hours until every diablo player has at least 7 last wish'. They will be the new soj.

Runes like zod and so forth, will litter the bloody hills like so much left-behind gold. The dupers will dupe it all....all of it, hundreds of billions of every item/rune or whatever that drops. Within 2 hours of the new ladder, the economy will be so flooded with dupes that all of our computers will freeze from the lag. The zillions of Zods, and windforces, and cruel claws will actually start shooting out of our computer screens and into our bewildered faces like so much confetti. We'll stare aghast at the newly materialized representations of our digital fascination while the dupers sit back and scheme about how to ruin other games, like WOW or GW or Everquest...

I think there's some sarcasm in there somewhere....

 

[Speedster]

This expansion and the godly runewords are whats supposed to seperate hardcore players and casual people

No no, I don't think you get it. You'd have to play something like 10 hours a day to get the runes necessary for a Last Wish and finish it with any time left in the ladder season. It's not the drop odds are bad, it's that they're ridiculously bad. Simply bad drop odds I could accept. I mean, certain items like Tal's Armor, IK Armor. Really hard to find, but possible to find by a person who plays a lot, but within reason.

And yeah, I was just saying that as an estimate. 1:100000 is alright too. Hell, maybe even 1:500000 or something.

Again, where is it written that you need Enigma or Last Wish or (insert godly runeword here) to play the game? A real skilled D2 player could solo Hell in uniques and rares.

In a game where everyone gets godly gear, who really gives a crap about finding Tal's Armor, or Jalal's or whatever. You're just a "noob" if you're using a set anyway...

This game would be an awesome challenge if we didn't all get to teleport to Baal or Meph in 20 seconds and kill them 30 times an hour. Basically, I've played D2 for years and I've never found a zod, jah or ber. Big deal, I've got my skills figured out, keys mapped, etc., and with pretty average gear I have people asking me 'show ur gear' every game.

This reset is way overdue. I'm happy and hope they ban dupes, maphacks and the rest of that bs.

 

[Majaii]

The point is, the economy and game are so screwed up right now that people's perceptions get skewed. Ask yourself what the point was in blizzard's mind to create runewords and add runes into the game. Was it so every character could have an enigma, hoto, and cta? I doubt it. Maybe they wanted to offer something to work towards, an incentive to play. I remember the very first time i killed diablo, whoa that was hard, but dang i felt good about it once i actually killed him.

So whats better than playing, and finding items that maybe a couple other people might have on all of bnet? Why not have some things that IF you can make one, reward your time of playing? The reason Blizzard made runewords was to provide something almost unattainable, for the truly dedicated to strive for, that drop that might never come, but when it does is the culmination of your D2 experience. And in the meantime, they gave us a whole spectrum from low to high, so that even if I never make my own enigma, heck, anyone can make a duress. So as everyone has said, whats the point in playing if everyone and their mothers dog has all the godly runewords? If there is a group that has them and no one else does so far, so what? They earned it. Good for them, makes me feel even better when i beat them with skill, and what i've managed to scrap together for gear.
[/]Rave against dupes :wink3:

-Majaii

 

[Lopen]

do you only trade hrs for hrs? no, how often have you got a rare circlet that had 2 to skills and some other mods? Blah blah crafting supplies blah blah

You do realize that the only reason you can make trades like this is because of the very same dupers you're going against? If all runes were legit, you think you could get a hr for even 40 Perfect Skulls or a Circlet with +2 skills and some other mods? I sure as hell wouldn't trade that for one. The crafting supplies are the silliest suggestion. 40 Perfect Gems and an assortment of mid runes can be obtained without too much difficulty by just playing normally doing the quests. It's the people who don't get rushed that know this best.

I also like how I'm stereotyped as some kid who gets rushed through the whole game and doesn't play with crappy gear. You know, I usually don't get rushed through the game. I do every quest I come across and get all the wps. You know how many "uber runewords" I made the entirity of the last season? I made one Enigma, one Faith, one Brand. I'd have loved to have made some crap like Wind, but the Sur was just too hard to find to waste on something crappy like that. My best character? An IK Barbarian. Dubya tee effe nub, right?

As for all you people saying I don't need them...

Do I need these runewords? No. Do I even need to play Diablo 2? No. But the game is more fun with the ability to use some of the runewords. Running the Countess 300 times, or repeatedly making characters get to hell for the Hellforge to get the rune drops to try a WW Assassin in a grind is not my idea of fun. And frankly, that's what you "hardcore legit" players are probably doing to get these runes.

You can have your elitist game where you need to play 40 hours a week to make runewords. Keep fighting for the casuals, dupers.

 

[plasmo]

I find it interesting that many people automatically think that what Blizzard declares is what is right without even stopping to think about it. If, when a Zod dropped, a pop-up said you should have sex with your dog, would you? Of course not. Blizzard is not the moral authority here; they only provided the product. Simply because Blizzard set the current drop rates does not automatically make them "right."

If most of the people want to play with most of the runewords, Blizzard should increase the drop rates. Blizzard should have to bend to the players, not the other way around. Or do you think if Blizzard make town killing perfectly allowable that would be just fine?

It's like a fascist police state in here sometimes; Heil Blizzard! Better is power to the people and democracy.

 

[ultrabadbob]

all this talk of how "it would be soooo hard to make "last wish" and "enigma" and why did blizzard even make them cause it would be so hard" makes me think that people dont actually want a hard/challenging game. if blizzard wanted to give every single paladin defiance AND whatever their aura of choice was, they would have made freakin exiles drop in the blood moor off quill rats and zombies.

think of how hard hellmode is if you try to play it untwinked. now pvm isnt actually about if you can do it, its about how fast can you do it.

can you, just for a second, imagine a game where like three people in the entire community have an enigma? imagine if you were the one person who had a chaos, and thus were the one person with a ww assasin. everyone would think that you were some god or something. wouldnt that be a better ego trip than taking your level 342 smiter into a mld game and killing all the lower level people there because you have a duped lo and mal in your grief. if there were no dupes, it would be so much harder to make builds like bvc's and smiters. thus, the people who actually spend time playing the game would be rewarded with these so called "overpowered" items. the reason that they seem so overpowered is because they are meant to be wielded by only a few people. if everyone has a grief, its not novel anymore. if only one person had one, would the fact that it adds to smite dmg even have been discovered?

essentially, dupers have made the game really easy, and thus, no fun. people would be more judicious about using their runes in runewords if there were no dupes, and they would be more reluctant to trade them because there would be so few in the community.

I think that the battle.net experience should be more feudalist, with lots of poor people and only few rich ones, especially given diablo's medieval overtones. if there were like 25 people lucky/dedicated enough to get the awesome runewords, then, they would be like shoguns or dukes or even kings. that is the spirit of diablo, I think.

(i would like to point out that feudalism doesnt work very well, and the aforementioned could only work if the environment was completely free from bugs and outside corruption. problems would arise if any of the few powerful people succumbed to their own greed. still, dedicated people dont tend to be greedy, so if all went according to plan, the powerful people would likely have the self discipline to avoid such temptation.)

 

[FrankWest]

I find it interesting that many people automatically think that what Blizzard declares is what is right without even stopping to think about it. If, when a Zod dropped, a pop-up said you should have sex with your dog, would you?

... :duh:

You know the feeling you get when someone says something so absolutely ridiculous and completely unrelated to the point of the discussion that you completely lose your will to argue?

It's like a fascist police state in here sometimes; Heil Blizzard! Better is power to the people and democracy.

It's not a democracy. You can play the game by the rules, or don't play. It's. A. Game. Games have rules. If you were playing Monopoly with a couple people, do you think they'd let you dupe your hotels by sneaking a few more out of the box while the banker has his back turned? No, they wouldn't. FASCIST PIGS!

We respect Blizzard's rules, because Blizzard provides the game. People on other forums have no problems whatsoever with looking a gift horse in the mouth, but some silly folks just appreciate what they've given without breaking the EULA. Ha! Noobz!