Y.A.W.P's Warcraft Themed Pen 'n Paper RPG style Mafia Game Game Thread

[Uraj]

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I'm surprised by the level of detail we're receiving on the fight(s). Though perhaps this to give the mafia/cult an equal chance at information from whoever Feysal fights.

I was sorta expecting another no death night. It was starting to look like kill on odd nights, recruit on even. So does this mean there was only a recruit on night 2 and we're looking at there being just the recruiter + one recruit right now?

Goryani, Bad Ash, Sathoris and Ankeli what are your reads on: Trionth, Nolecub and nurman right now?

Edit: Seems like I got ninjaed a bit by Feysal, just going to post as is.

 

[Goryani]

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Morning! I hope everyone is well rested and the cobwebs of sleep are frolicking with our dreams.

The fight results aren't secret. Mafia will learn just as much as the combatants. For balance reasons it's probably a good idea. At least now we know that the mafia knows.

Leo's stats should be mostly known.

I can confirm pretty much everything Nolecub has said regarding his role. More precisely, I can confirm that such names/stats/abilities do exist in this game. There should be several other identifiable traits, which have not yet been revealed. It's probably better if neither I nor Nolecub reveal them.

I'm not sure what to make of Noodle's death. He brought up the "tanks have some sort of immunity" idea, which could be a tell. If it was a tell, his immunity sure wasn't working last night. I guess that's my way of saying, it looks like Noodle didn't have an uber role.

 

[Sathoris]

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Goryani, Bad Ash, Sathoris and Ankeli what are your reads on: Trionth, Nolecub and nurman right now?

Frankly, I didn't even remember nurman was in this game. He's been non existent only making useless posts if any.

Vote: nurman

Start talking!

Nolecub's acting like his role which leads me to believe his roleclaim.

Trionth's been out there contributing, but like everyone else has been quiet. I find it hard to get a read on someone after 2 weeks of dayphase with confusion and hardly any activity. I'll try to get back to this at the end of a regular dayphase.

As confusing as this is, that was apparently the fourth night

Hmm, night four? Was there a night three? The period without day phase during New Years was frozen and didn't count as a night phase did it? I'm assuming you got another dossier on someone which led you to believe this was night 4?

 

[Goryani]

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I was sorta expecting another no death night. It was starting to look like kill on odd nights, recruit on even. So does this mean there was only a recruit on night 2 and we're looking at there being just the recruiter + one recruit right now?

We don't know how many started the game on each side. A mafia recruiter comprising the entire mafia side at the start of the game seems unlikely. If anything, they could have a role similar to Feysal's as well.

Goryani, Bad Ash, Sathoris and Ankeli what are your reads on: Trionth, Nolecub and nurman right now?

Nolecub seems to know what I know.

Trionth - Jumped on the D1 Ankeli bandwagon. Tried to encourage others to lynch someone. Also wondered about Gorny's sanity/treestumpness. D2 started again with the Gorny as VI or treestump ideas. Voted Gorny late at the end of the day. Didn't say much (game related) during D3 until after the extension. Didn't seem phased with Feysal's fight idea and assumed fight results would be public. All in all, nothing majorly scummy stands out. Like my criticism of Sathoris on D3, there are several little things that are vote worthy without a better alternative.

nurman - Was speculating about cop/vigilante roles early on. Speculated 2-4 immunities before anyone else. Hasn't voted the entire game. Seems to be actively avoiding talking about the game for the last week. I'd put him on the short list for an uber role. I don't feel bad mentioning this because Feysal appears not to be happy with nurman, and since Feysal said he knows the townie recruiter, I'm assuming it isn't nurman.

I'm not sure how much discussion will happen without votes, so I'll start the "discussion."

Vote: nurman

preview edit: Ninja'd by Sathoris.

 

[Goryani]

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Hmm, night four? Was there a night three? The period without day phase during New Years was frozen and didn't count as a night phase did it? I'm assuming you got another dossier on someone which led you to believe this was night 4?

Dragomir died night 3. That happened after Christmas and before New Year's. I think anyway. It's been so long. Yup.

 

[Feysal]

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Alive:
Feysal, Vol'jin, 7-10-8
Sathoris
Goryani, Peon?
Bad Ash
Ankeli
Uraj
Trionth
Nolecub, Peon?, 2-2-2
Leopold Stotch, Peon?, 2-2-2
nurman

Dead:
Noammar - killed night 1
Gorny - Orgrim Doomhammer, lynched day 2
Dragomir - killed night 3
Noodle - killed night 4

We have 10 alive, so we need 5 votes to lynch, 6 to lock.

Unofficial votecount:
nurman 2 - Sathoris, Goryani

I believe I'll be keeping track of this, for my own and everyone else's convenience. I'll try to dig up the vote counts for past days too, for future analysis.

I was sorta expecting another no death night. It was starting to look like kill on odd nights, recruit on even. So does this mean there was only a recruit on night 2 and we're looking at there being just the recruiter + one recruit right now?

I also expected this night to have no death, based on the same idea of recruits every second night. But I think the part about no recruiting having happened last night is wishful thinking. The cult is probably capable of killing and recruiting, possibly killing every night and recruiting every other night. If the cult were that limited in power, the game balance would be really against them.

Leo's stats should be mostly known.

My DPS and Tank stats too, the results put my DPS in the 6-8 range, and my Tank accurately at 8. On my HPS, you'll have to take my word for it, since it did not come into play at all.

I can confirm pretty much everything Nolecub has said regarding his role. More precisely, I can confirm that such names/stats/abilities do exist in this game. There should be several other identifiable traits, which have not yet been revealed. It's probably better if neither I nor Nolecub reveal them.

I believe I know at least one such identifier, but I don't see how it would be of immediate use. I should note that if the cult has recruited anyone having such identifiers with their role, all their members probably know them by now as well.

I'm not sure what to make of Noodle's death. He brought up the "tanks have some sort of immunity" idea, which could be a tell. If it was a tell, his immunity sure wasn't working last night. I guess that's my way of saying, it looks like Noodle didn't have an uber role.

He was not the town recruiter, I can tell you that. I expect that the town had more power roles, but I doubt all of them could be immune to night kills. Noodle may have had some ability. I don't think I can rule that out.

As for why Noodle, aside from the old "Noodle dead? Blame Bad Ash" joke, I can't really say why he'd have been targeted. Trying to figure out the why is probably a fruitless effort.

Now - how shall we move on? The Bad Ash - Sathoris fight remains unresolved, but after mine and Leo's stats were revealed to the world, I'm not sure I want theirs to become public knowledge as well.

My opinion of Uraj has improved after his recent posts, and I am still inclined to believe Trionth town. Goryani, Nolecub and Leo are more problematic. Since Nolecub claimed to be recruitable, we have to assume that you all are. That would mean that your alignment can flip at any time, or may have flipped already, one way or the other. I'm content leaving you alone today, but if the game hits a dead end, we're going to have to start eliminating recruitable players. The town recruiter should be able to indicate which ones are his.

My town read on Ankeli early on was based on mistaken assumptions, and I feel he needs looking into. He has not made his presence felt recently, though he has been to the forums.

Then there is Sathoris. I feel that he has been oddly cautious this game, particularly around Gorny, and while I have nothing solid on him, I have some suspicion of him.

I agree with Goryani's take on nurman. We need more game-related posts from him, less I-don't-know-what. I don't know if he has any power, but he has been acting like a village idiot - and I'm using the mafiascum.net definition now. Over there, the role is called a jester, and village idiots are players who tend to get on everyone's nerves by being obnoxious and loud. I know nurman can play better than this, so I have to ask, why is he being like this?

To answer Sathoris's question, I got no dossier last night. I got one on night 1 and after night 3. Last night, as far as I know, was night 4.

 

[Sathoris]

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Heh yeah, seems I was just confused about the days and nights. Who can blame me, eh!

I was curious around Gorny for a good reason. I've been suckered into going after him before when he was town and I took a step back to make sure that wouldn't happen again. Granted he was eventually lynched and proven a pro-townie. I'm happy knowing I didn't personally went after him.

My read's still on the fritz about Goryani and Leo. I didn't like Goryani's earlier post, trying to find a way to lynch me based on false conclusions and I don't think Leo is playing the part of pro-town. I'm still inclined to go for neutral, but with what objective?

Just to recap, you got two dossiers. One of Gorny and one of the town recruiter? If someone picks your dossiers then we got a possible three people who know the town recruiter.

And the only way to prove your role feysal, is if you told us who the town recruiter is and he confirmed it? Basicly impossible to do if we don't want the mafia to know vital information. And if you're lying and giving us the town recruiter, then the only way for us to know it's wrong would be if the recruiter came forward or the *existence unknown* person who feeds you the dossiers. Outing two power roles.

 

[Feysal]

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I may be the type of player to poison my own wine, but there is a limit to how dangerously I would play. You are right that I cannot easily prove my role, not to the town at large. Remember that I mentioned certain details about Gorny and the recruiter? I gave Gorny's stats because doing so was harmless, and if Gorny spoke to the recruiter he would know what they were. I was also very specific about the conditions for the town recruiter being unlynchable, though I did not name the second condition for his protection. By naming this many details I believe I have already proven my ability to the recruiter himself, and that is enough for me.

 

[Sathoris]

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The things you mention have no value to anyone but the town recruiter who can't prove or disprove them without exposing himself. Giving us more pieces of information without proof adds nothing.

Now - how shall we move on? The Bad Ash - Sathoris fight remains unresolved, but after mine and Leo's stats were revealed to the world, I'm not sure I want theirs to become public knowledge as well.

Why the change of heart?

 

[Feysal]

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The things you mention have no value to anyone but the town recruiter who can't prove or disprove them without exposing himself. Giving us more pieces of information without proof adds nothing.

I disagree, information that has not been proven can still be valuable. If someone claimed cop and declared his investigation results, you would not ignore those results just because the cop claim is unproven. I have revealed as much information as I think is wise right now, and I have more which I'm keeping safe until I have to share it.

Besides, my information can be easily proven by the town recruiter, just like you said. If I had lied, he could easily expose me any time he wanted to, resulting in my death. One-for-one trades usually favor the town, even if the town had to sacrifice a power role for the trade.

Remember that I've also proven that I have a power role, at least as far as stats are concerned. My fight with Leo proved that much about my claim. Suspect my claim if you want, but remember that I should get a new dossier tomorrow night, and the contents of that file may enable me to prove myself easily, or at least reveal something new of interest.

Why the change of heart?

Was it not obvious? I did want to see your fight yesterday, but that was before I knew the fights would be made public. I don't want either of you to be exposed now.

 

[Sathoris]

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I disagree, information that has not been proven can still be valuable. If someone claimed cop and declared his investigation results, you would not ignore those results just because the cop claim is unproven. I have revealed as much information as I think is wise right now, and I have more which I'm keeping safe until I have to share it.

If a cop comes forward he does so with accusations of an anti-town, who can then claim and we decide which is the most trustworthy. In your case you give us no information we can test, only your word. It's like a cop saying he's a cop and the doc can verify his claim.

Besides, my information can be easily proven by the town recruiter, just like you said. If I had lied, he could easily expose me any time he wanted to, resulting in my death. One-for-one trades usually favor the town, even if the town had to sacrifice a power role for the trade.

If you lied, you've given your mafia friends their single most powerful enemy, a sacrifice well worth it. Besides you're NK immune so the mafia can't kill you. Convenient. You're giving us no way of confirming your allignement unless we give up our best weapon against the mafia. This particular one-for-one trade-off is not worth it because I reckon the town recruiter is not NK immune if you are aswell.

Remember that I've also proven that I have a power role, at least as far as stats are concerned. My fight with Leo proved that much about my claim. Suspect my claim if you want, but remember that I should get a new dossier tomorrow night, and the contents of that file may enable me to prove myself easily, or at least reveal something new of interest.

Which is why I'm not voting for you today. It all depends on tomorrow's dossier to prove your worth to me.

Was it not obvious? I did want to see your fight yesterday, but that was before I knew the fights would be made public. I don't want either of you to be exposed now.

When you first announced your plan you wanted everything to become public.

There would be no need for any private communication with a fight like this, indeed I'd prefer all actions to be public in the thread. Any comments on this?

Even if the injuries from fights are private

You devised your plan around the idea they're public. Why back down after one fight that went perfectly according to your initial plan?

 

[Feysal]

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Read more carefully. In the above quotes, I said I wanted the actions to be public, and the injuries private.

In the rules post, YAWP recommends sending actions to him by PM, and this is what I meant when I said private communication was not necessary.

As for the second quote, the way you cut it made its meaning unclear. The full sentence was this:

Even if the injuries from fights are private, which they apparently are judging from YAWP's last post, the problem remains that you don't know whether you can trust me.

I was speaking of potential problems with my plan. Injuries being private was my answer to a concern you raised about my plan outing power roles, after which the problem that remained was an issue of trust. Injuries being private was exactly what I wanted, and at the time I thought they would be, as YAWP's post had mentioned nothing of the injuries being posted in thread, only who won.

If the injuries from each round are posted publicly, then doing this would indeed be dangerous, since it could out power roles to the cult. However if the injuries are private, then only I and the other combatant would know.

In this previous post I made it clear that I thought it dangerous if injuries were public. My stance about that has not changed.

 

[Goryani]

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@Uraj - I'm curious why you split the players like you did. Bad Ash, Sathoris, Ankeli and myself on one side and Trionth, Nolecub, and numan on the other. Is there rhyme to your reason?

@Feyasl - Lost in all this shuffle is that you supposedly knew Gorny's role on the day you voted for his lynch. How do you reconcile your vote?

I didn't like Goryani's earlier post, trying to find a way to lynch me based on false conclusions...

Why you gotta be hatin on me like that? I'm tempted to revive the long post I was working on that points out you agreed with ~half of the points I raised.

My opinion of Uraj has improved after his recent posts

Interesting. You admit dossiers about pro-town players didn't have links. You admit your role has links. Uraj soft-confirmed his role also had links from the same web site as your role. Uraj also apparently shared the same ideas about recruitment as you. I would think you would be worried about the mafia having a role the mirror image as you.

I don't know if [nurman] has any power, but he has been acting like a village idiot - and I'm using the mafiascum.net definition now. Over there, the role is called a jester, and village idiots are players who tend to get on everyone's nerves by being obnoxious and loud. I know nurman can play better than this, so I have to ask, why is he being like this?

Wasn't nurman first day lynched a number of times for that very behavior? Ironically, except the game he actually was the Jester/VI.

And the only way to prove your role feysal, is if you told us who the town recruiter is and he confirmed it? Basicly impossible to do if we don't want the mafia to know vital information. And if you're lying and giving us the town recruiter, then the only way for us to know it's wrong would be if the recruiter came forward or the *existence unknown* person who feeds you the dossiers. Outing two power roles.

Feysal gave some pretty specific details. At this point, it's up to others to corroborate things. For instance, Gorny the rogue is supposed to have 4/1/1 stats. There should be other DPS roles in the game and they should have similar stats. If their stats aren't close to 4/1/1, they could speak up and say something is fishy.

I'll have to re-read the thread to see if Feysal's changing of opinion of me correlated with the hints I dropped which should be visible from Gorny's dossier.

 

[Nolecub]

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Vote: Feysal

 

[Bad Ash]

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Vote: Feysal

mind me askin why? There has been so little contribution that this game needs to be re-evaluated by all, and I am just curious.

I also think its odd that two people who were questioned jumped on board with nurman being voted. I feel like his lynch would reveal information about 2 people which is leaning me towards him. We have received such little information so far in this game that anything is worthwhile.

 

[nurman]

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The reason for my inactive posting on the game is due to the fact that I'm confused as hell. I don't think my role has any powers (none that I would know of), I do not know any roles and because of it, I have nothing that I can use to "lean on".

 

[nurman]

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Also, my role is rather irrelevant due to the fact THAT WHEN THE GAME BEGUN, I COULD PICK MY CLASS + NAME.

 

[nurman]

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As for lynching me... I don't know. I'm feeling a bit like this...

 

[Feysal]

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@Feysal - Lost in all this shuffle is that you supposedly knew Gorny's role on the day you voted for his lynch. How do you reconcile your vote?

I mentioned that with my role claim. The dossier I got on Gorny did not include any mention of abilities. I did not know whether he had any. The way Gorny was literally asking to be voted, I believed he may have activated some treestump ability, or he had some other reason for acting like that. So I voted him, and was very disappointed with his play when he died. I fully expected him to survive the lynch attempt, and for a moment I thought he had, when YAWP miscounted the votes.

Interesting. You admit dossiers about pro-town players didn't have links. You admit your role has links. Uraj soft-confirmed his role also had links from the same web site as your role. Uraj also apparently shared the same ideas about recruitment as you. I would think you would be worried about the mafia having a role the mirror image as you.

The reason why I was concerned about Uraj was because of his low contributions, and he has improved some in that respect. I have not been concerned with having an exact counterpart in the cult, but now that you said it, it seems conceivable that the cult has a role cop of some sort. YAWP did let slip that he had a couple investigation results to send, and two town cops would be a lot. One of them could be cult.

I'll have to re-read the thread to see if Feysal's changing of opinion of me correlated with the hints I dropped which should be visible from Gorny's dossier.

My change of opinion had more to do with your theorizing on day three, after I'd gotten my second dossier. Once I had some actual information, the way you tried to figure out what was going on looked genuine to me. I don't know why you'd have bothered if you were cult, and actually knew better.

Also, my role is rather irrelevant due to the fact THAT WHEN THE GAME BEGUN, I COULD PICK MY CLASS + NAME.

Now this sounds interesting. It suddenly occurs to me that Gorny may have been allowed to pick his name and class, and his love for the rogue class resulted in the mismatch with the name of Orgrim. Is there anyone else who was able to pick their name?

Unofficial votecount:
nurman 2 - Sathoris, Goryani
Feysal 1 - Nolecub

 

[Sathoris]

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In this previous post I made it clear that I thought it dangerous if injuries were public. My stance about that has not changed.

Yet you started a fight with Leo, knowing the stats would be made public. Why not back out then? Did you just want to know Leo's stats?

In previous game where you have been town you've been sort of acting the same. Long posts about reads and plans we could do. But this time it seems like you're just going through the motions without any intent of them helping us, just you. You claim to have a powerful role, which indeed is very powerful if it's genuine, but it got us nothing. You've basicly created a situation in which you blackmail us with the idenity of the most powerful pro-town role, the recruiter. And you are invulnerable. I've got half a mind about fighting you.

Feysal gave some pretty specific details. At this point, it's up to others to corroborate things. For instance, Gorny the rogue is supposed to have 4/1/1 stats. There should be other DPS roles in the game and they should have similar stats. If their stats aren't close to 4/1/1, they could speak up and say something is fishy.

Which is why I don't buy it. Nolecub is supposed to be a lowly working peon with 2/2/2. Yet Doomhammer, one of the greatest orcs of all time has on average worse stats? I can only imagine what power role Gorny then mustve had, but it can't be bigger then what Feysal claims to have and he has powerful stats on top of that. My role is more of a reference and can't be used to compare stats, but I can't believe those stats for Doomhammer are serious. I think Feysal created them with the false knowledge that he was a rogue and backstabber and gave him corresponding stats.