Why dont ppl stay and fight?
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I dont think Zappa is paying the rent on time. I have tried to respond 3 times to you but I keep getting a message too short prompt. I'll try one more time...
First point, I have been thanked for for giving probably better items than was lost to the guy that stayed to fight. Not for taking his ear. I tell the guy to meet me in a pwed game and give bloodletter or what ever. One guy asked me to be on his f/list for that.
Second point. Unless you are building a mfer, maximize your damage and your defense. Have an inventory full of life charms so full you can only pick one item up. My pkers have enough room in inventory for one ear, thats it. Its not rocket science. No special formula. It just means building as if you were a pker . Heres the ticket. Damage reducing gear + maximum damage causing gear + life = pk build. It also = a viable hc character.
edit: oh and yes Beth, happy birthday please pass the cake! Mac has the party hats!
First point, I have been thanked for for giving probably better items than was lost to the guy that stayed to fight. Not for taking his ear. I tell the guy to meet me in a pwed game and give bloodletter or what ever. One guy asked me to be on his f/list for that.
Second point. Unless you are building a mfer, maximize your damage and your defense. Have an inventory full of life charms so full you can only pick one item up. My pkers have enough room in inventory for one ear, thats it. Its not rocket science. No special formula. It just means building as if you were a pker . Heres the ticket. Damage reducing gear + maximum damage causing gear + life = pk build. It also = a viable hc character.
edit: oh and yes Beth, happy birthday please pass the cake! Mac has the party hats!
Cleglaw_Himself
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I really don't know what all the fuss is about Blood_and_Iron.
The hostile button exists in every game.
If you get hostiled, just simply save and exit, then rejoin if prefer, or if you aren't near a wp, tp to town.
Not that hard really to never get pked.
I don't get pked anymore, just deaths by duel.
The hostile button exists in every game.
If you get hostiled, just simply save and exit, then rejoin if prefer, or if you aren't near a wp, tp to town.
Not that hard really to never get pked.
I don't get pked anymore, just deaths by duel.
Blood_And_Iron
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takes all kinds
Hey that guy consented to fight you. He's entitled. But no bloodletter is worth the time and effort put into building a character to me.
As for general principles on building character, that's fine. There are always differences, though. No pvm character would bother to stack resists or use all ethereal items, for example. Viable, yes. Efficient, different for pvp and pvm.
I think we're clear, then.
baalos said:
Hey that guy consented to fight you. He's entitled. But no bloodletter is worth the time and effort put into building a character to me.
As for general principles on building character, that's fine. There are always differences, though. No pvm character would bother to stack resists or use all ethereal items, for example. Viable, yes. Efficient, different for pvp and pvm.
I think we're clear, then.
Blood_And_Iron
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it's just very personal
I don't get pked anymore, either.
It just pisses me off when pks mention "honor," or expects to be thanked for killing you, or gets pissed off when people leave the game.
The original poster made good points. I don't have a problem with that.
I just hate pks. Simple.
Cleglaw_Himself said:
I don't get pked anymore, either.
It just pisses me off when pks mention "honor," or expects to be thanked for killing you, or gets pissed off when people leave the game.
The original poster made good points. I don't have a problem with that.
I just hate pks. Simple.
Ross Hanstead was a big 4rth grader. I was a small 3rd grader. Ross used to get his kicks out of terrorizing me and other younger, smaller kids as we walked home from school, making the walk dreadful.
PKers (Im not talking about duelers) are no different. They get their kicks praying on the weak or ruining anothers gaming experience. PKers can make any rebuttal they like to this, but it wont change the fact that they are what they are and that in essence is a bully. I don't care how legitimate you are. At some point you ruined someones gaming experience, you may not have meant to, but you did. That makes you a bully. Ross could have bought me an ice cream and apologized the day after socking me in the stomach, but if he then continued socking me or anyone else did it make it ok?
Usually bullies don't care, as will be demonstrated by any response to this post. Just see below. We as individuals can only understand they exist and either avoid them or choose to stand up to them.
End of story.
PKers (Im not talking about duelers) are no different. They get their kicks praying on the weak or ruining anothers gaming experience. PKers can make any rebuttal they like to this, but it wont change the fact that they are what they are and that in essence is a bully. I don't care how legitimate you are. At some point you ruined someones gaming experience, you may not have meant to, but you did. That makes you a bully. Ross could have bought me an ice cream and apologized the day after socking me in the stomach, but if he then continued socking me or anyone else did it make it ok?
Usually bullies don't care, as will be demonstrated by any response to this post. Just see below. We as individuals can only understand they exist and either avoid them or choose to stand up to them.
End of story.
PhatTrumpet
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I went ahead and made a 27 Honor Naga Charger. My friend helped PA through half of NM, but I was short 2 Carnages and a few sus charms, but I was so anxious to try him out that I started hunting normal Baals.
First game I enter I say "sup guys" and hostile. The first reply I get is, "lol, if you're gonna pk at least use the wp trick." This blew me away... a PvMer (he probably delved into pking a bit too I bet) making fun of me for not exploiting the waypoint bug... perhaps I should use maphack too? Anyway, I go down after the timer runs out and start hunting. The only person left down there was a Sorc, so I started charging her but she fluxed right away (I think I got a low roll in just as she fluxed). She comes back immediately saying I had hit her 3 times and did crap damage. Even with this false info nobody dared to leave town, so I left.
The next couple games I get more crap about hostiling and not actually going down to hunt, apparently some people still aren't aware there's a 10 second timer. A lot of people scanning my gear too. I had a perfect non-eth Snap on switch to make people think I was "just another n00b snapper"... funny thing is I actually did a whole lot more dmg with the Naga/+max shield.
Eventually I get to a game where there's a 43 Barb and a 60+ Werewolf. I say what the heck, it's been over an hour and not a single bit of action, and hostile. The Druid immediately starts listing off my decoy gear in a different language, and somehow I manage to talk them into coming out into the Foothills (bad idea in retrospect: 1. for trying to go up against a 60+ Druid 2. for doing it in the Foothills rather than Blood Moor). First I see a Zon spamming arrows, decide to go pick her off until I see three more red crosses coming out at me. I didn't have time to check the party screen, but I figured it was the Druid and Barb and someone else who didn't matter. I retreat a bit and try to flank them and take out the Oak Sage but it's nowhere in sight. Then I see who the third guy was... a Fanat Pally.
Of course I wasn't about to back down at this point, all I had to do was avoid the Druid until I could take out the Pally... oh wait, I'm already dead. They were pretty pumped. The scales may have been somewhat tipped in their favor, but I congratulated them on their victory and for standing up to me, and said goodbye before the verbal abuse could ensue. Just wanted to let you guys know that this stuff still does happen once in a while.
First game I enter I say "sup guys" and hostile. The first reply I get is, "lol, if you're gonna pk at least use the wp trick." This blew me away... a PvMer (he probably delved into pking a bit too I bet) making fun of me for not exploiting the waypoint bug... perhaps I should use maphack too? Anyway, I go down after the timer runs out and start hunting. The only person left down there was a Sorc, so I started charging her but she fluxed right away (I think I got a low roll in just as she fluxed). She comes back immediately saying I had hit her 3 times and did crap damage. Even with this false info nobody dared to leave town, so I left.
The next couple games I get more crap about hostiling and not actually going down to hunt, apparently some people still aren't aware there's a 10 second timer. A lot of people scanning my gear too. I had a perfect non-eth Snap on switch to make people think I was "just another n00b snapper"... funny thing is I actually did a whole lot more dmg with the Naga/+max shield.
Eventually I get to a game where there's a 43 Barb and a 60+ Werewolf. I say what the heck, it's been over an hour and not a single bit of action, and hostile. The Druid immediately starts listing off my decoy gear in a different language, and somehow I manage to talk them into coming out into the Foothills (bad idea in retrospect: 1. for trying to go up against a 60+ Druid 2. for doing it in the Foothills rather than Blood Moor). First I see a Zon spamming arrows, decide to go pick her off until I see three more red crosses coming out at me. I didn't have time to check the party screen, but I figured it was the Druid and Barb and someone else who didn't matter. I retreat a bit and try to flank them and take out the Oak Sage but it's nowhere in sight. Then I see who the third guy was... a Fanat Pally.
Of course I wasn't about to back down at this point, all I had to do was avoid the Druid until I could take out the Pally... oh wait, I'm already dead. They were pretty pumped. The scales may have been somewhat tipped in their favor, but I congratulated them on their victory and for standing up to me, and said goodbye before the verbal abuse could ensue. Just wanted to let you guys know that this stuff still does happen once in a while.
*Looks around* Who ever said they expected to be thanked for killing them?
If you hate pks, play another game.
Hate cheaters. Hate Ross Hanstead and big 4th graders. How come there arent any monster rights activists here? *sheesh* dead subject here, time to move along :creep:
If you hate pks, play another game.
Hate cheaters. Hate Ross Hanstead and big 4th graders. How come there arent any monster rights activists here? *sheesh* dead subject here, time to move along :creep:
So I'm hated? *shrugs* So what else is new....Blood_And_Iron said:I don't get pked anymore, either.
It just pisses me off when pks mention "honor," or expects to be thanked for killing you, or gets pissed off when people leave the game.
The original poster made good points. I don't have a problem with that.
I just hate pks. Simple.
Anyway time to post something constructive.
There are many different types of pkers, and sadly the vast majority are lamers pure and simple. What makes and honorable pker is how they go about pking. There's no secret to making a pker than can both pvm and pvp. In fact all a pvper really is, is a character that specialises in killing a single target. Some exceptions exist depending on build/class which has excellent crowd control skills. Once you delve into pvp you will tend to find that all future characters are built differently and tougher.
pking with pvm characters isn't that difficult either. If you know what you are doing ears drop like flies - even with pathetic damage.
SonOfRah said:
Hmm, how interesting, another PK debate thread...WHAT?!?!? contstructive??!?!??! Well, we can't have that.
One thing that must be pointed out from Stinger's original post that I think many pkers erroneously assume is that when people leave very quickly after the hostile horn, they have chickened. I'm not really sure how many MH-ers there are out there, but I can tell you this, I haven't ever used chicken (lost a few characters to triggers in the day), but I am very fast on the exit buttons, whenever there is a hostile sound, the situation gets dicey with the damn black souls (grrr), or what ever. That's just my instanteous reaction, without even thinking. It doesn't even involve the cerebellum, just some parasympathetic impulses in spinal cord. No internal debate, no looking to see what character hostiled, nothing. Exit. Why? I believe it was very eloquently stated in the old 1.08 HC FAQ: if you stay, you will mostly likely die. I find dying annoying. If I didn't, I'd play SC. (do I have that backwards?) Anyhow, my point is in here somewhere, and I think its something about not everyone who leaves is chickening, nor are they necessarily even that interested in what happens after the horn. Did I say that somewhere?
For most of my pvm chars, I Alt-F4 as soon as the hostile sound went off. I would only stay with my high level necro if he has all the summons up. No doubt he has not been hostiled.
Regarding the "chicken" debate, I think some of the guys confused the concept of a player with the concept of a character. A player is a real person while a character is a combination of different types of electrical signals. A player can have multiple characters. A PK player would also exit the game really fast, if his mf'er or his pk'er still under training is hostiled. It is not chicken; it is called D2HC-literated.
Regarding the "chicken" debate, I think some of the guys confused the concept of a player with the concept of a character. A player is a real person while a character is a combination of different types of electrical signals. A player can have multiple characters. A PK player would also exit the game really fast, if his mf'er or his pk'er still under training is hostiled. It is not chicken; it is called D2HC-literated.
HelzCaretaker said:
Lets say I have my enchantress, lvl 18, whose fire damage does like 10 extra damage. No other skills to speak of. Should she stay for the beating?
Lets say I have my javazon, who waits until level 30 to max LF, Pierce, and Valk. I don't even bother with 1 point in jab either. Should she stay for the beating?
Lets say I have my BO barb, who I'm building to self-BO my other high level characters when he gets the synergies maxed. No other skills. Should he stay for the beating?
How about my lvl 18 hammerdin? Or my lvl 20 Thorns guy (mutual suicide with lvl 20 thorns)?
My point is, almost NONE of my builds will dent the typical low level PK (or high level for that matter). So whats the point in staying for an ear I have no interest in obtaining (and which would be impossible, even if the pk lagged out in front of me).
Lets see you take an amazon with no attack skills to lvl 25. Tell me how long it took. Now tell me how long it takes if you are unable to get experience in tristram, sewers, arcane because of the multitude of pk's ruining every experience game? It might only take 1.5 hours without interruption. With pks ruining every full game it take 4 or 5 hours.
Mr.Bogohossian
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Sorry for the spelling.........
Lets all face it. There is rarely any honor in pking. Pking is a strong kills a weak. like a tiger killing a rabit, it should be looked at and dealed with naturally just like part of our lives. Pking is a thrill of the game. Its fun and it just feels great. Pkk is another story, i just dont think pkk is even worth building for... i mean u have to wait for the right time when pkers hunt and you hunt them. the sole-purpose of such a build is to wait for someone to appear. Like making a char just to kill diablo-clone(whats the fun in that). i had lots lots of duelers, just like alot of you guys here. and yes i do pk. i mean i love it, but when times are right and there are another pker in the game. i either duel them or pkk them. all my chars are built to be well-rounded. Example, A lvl 25 kicksin..... pk>yes, pkk>yes, duel>yes as well. Come on guys, lets just face it. ITs a freakin game, calm yourselves. I know how it feels to be pked but hey... you live on. ANd not all pkers are bullies. I am in my late teens, have a normal life, have my own car and i have a great time with friends. And yes i choose to pk/pkk/duel because those are the only things that keep me playing this game. well thats how i look at it, feel free to pk around, as long as you dont use hacks. You will have a blast! :clap:
Lets all face it. There is rarely any honor in pking. Pking is a strong kills a weak. like a tiger killing a rabit, it should be looked at and dealed with naturally just like part of our lives. Pking is a thrill of the game. Its fun and it just feels great. Pkk is another story, i just dont think pkk is even worth building for... i mean u have to wait for the right time when pkers hunt and you hunt them. the sole-purpose of such a build is to wait for someone to appear. Like making a char just to kill diablo-clone(whats the fun in that). i had lots lots of duelers, just like alot of you guys here. and yes i do pk. i mean i love it, but when times are right and there are another pker in the game. i either duel them or pkk them. all my chars are built to be well-rounded. Example, A lvl 25 kicksin..... pk>yes, pkk>yes, duel>yes as well. Come on guys, lets just face it. ITs a freakin game, calm yourselves. I know how it feels to be pked but hey... you live on. ANd not all pkers are bullies. I am in my late teens, have a normal life, have my own car and i have a great time with friends. And yes i choose to pk/pkk/duel because those are the only things that keep me playing this game. well thats how i look at it, feel free to pk around, as long as you dont use hacks. You will have a blast! :clap:
PKK is sweet..........some punk is licking his chops picturing my ear in his stash only to get the deeds screen! Its truly priceless, and I know for a fact any pker i ever took on with my PKK build could of killed me quickly but they thought they were after a low damage PvM where they were so wrong, I was only low life!!!
Trapsins can do it, the only REAL difference is that a PvM trapper isn't going to have 20 points in WB for the extra 10% block...oh, and the R/W speed would have gone up a bit if I had built for PvP as well.Blood_And_Iron said:
My PvM sin;
2k+ life
50% DR
75/85/75/75 w/ 20 light absorb
50% Block instead of 60%
the last FHR breakpoint
1-10K LS
Then yeah, an ES/TK/Orb sorc can do PvP and PvM just fine...
Of course those are both single elemental chars which are 'easy' to counter, but the only telezerker to come after me in the throne room after everyone else had fled to town ended up teleporting into the center of 5 LSs with me spamming MB and fluxing =/
HelzCaretaker
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lol kurg thats plain funny. 1st off you have no clue how pvp works if you've never done it. 2nd off I am talking about a true hunter not a wuss with a 24 snapper in arcanes. A lvl 14 for example even with dual angelics has trouble hitting any sigon newb with max block thats at lvl 20 or so. Trust me I missed many pks/duel kills due to this. Basically the single factor allowing a pker to be so fearless is that every1 else has a lot of fear. Think about it for a bit lvl 20 chargers with their synergies using eth azurewraths can't stand up to a lvl 16 .09 thrower, now lets see my dmg is around 650 theirs should be 1.8k if decent, their life should be at least 100 more then mine. But since 95% of pkers can't duel in the 1st place they are easy targets. Any shielded character really has a hard time pking a group of melee that stands and fight its called blocklock.
Also if you have that much trouble lvling its simply a case of being a horrible player, yes thats right you heard me horrible. I can solo with basically crap gear and get thru a2 with relative ease killing basically everything there is. Not very hard to do at all.
And if you have so many problems with pkers then simply make a dueler/pkker and fight them off. Theres a simply way to get them all I can't tell you how many wp kills I've had from pkers in arcanes. These are from mh scanners that know most of my accts and a newbish character of mine jumped them. The typical pker is pure crap posting maybe 500 life at lvl 20-25 with substandard dmg. A decent 16 dueler can beat most of them like a red headed step child so next time people keep running they should learn that almost no pker can 1 hit unless the pvm character really sucks (low lvl).
Also if you have that much trouble lvling its simply a case of being a horrible player, yes thats right you heard me horrible. I can solo with basically crap gear and get thru a2 with relative ease killing basically everything there is. Not very hard to do at all.
And if you have so many problems with pkers then simply make a dueler/pkker and fight them off. Theres a simply way to get them all I can't tell you how many wp kills I've had from pkers in arcanes. These are from mh scanners that know most of my accts and a newbish character of mine jumped them. The typical pker is pure crap posting maybe 500 life at lvl 20-25 with substandard dmg. A decent 16 dueler can beat most of them like a red headed step child so next time people keep running they should learn that almost no pker can 1 hit unless the pvm character really sucks (low lvl).
Chiller_babe
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HelzCaretaker said:
And how many complete newbs have maxed block :scratch: or even a full sigies set?
None of mine do at that level unless I am building a LLD Charac - for 1 thing the shield I use at that level hasn't got the block rating of later eqpt I will use.
No trouble levelling? - well neither would I if I was building:
1) A character that was a standard build and had a decent low level skill that synergized with something later
2) A character twinked to teh teeth
However my latest inferno sorc has been a complete nightmare to level solo in large games - mostly due to the fact I have to tank stuff that takes 10 seconds to fry (cant use block as it interrupts the spell everytime I go into Block animation)
Don't jump on people that don't have the time or resources to become the obviously L337 player that you are
(only jesting) Some people might only have a couple of hours/week to play - so if a pk comes and hostiles them of course they will leave - they would be mad not to!Chill
Mr.Bogohossian said:
I couldnt have said it better myself. Especially the honor part.
Im with Stinger. There is nothing like going to an a2 - a4 normal game with my PKK and waiting for the hostile sound to go off. Most PKers are quite surprised that not only did you stay you are coming right at them not running the other way. You would think this would be their first clue that maybe they picked the wrong fight. I think its just great you wasted your time building that PK and lost all his items. T i t for T a t so to say. The old what is good for the goose is good for the gander analogy. :howdy:
One thing I think some people forget (and others have touched on it here) is that pk, pkk is for rich people who play a lot. Also, it's for people who play overpowered builds just for the pk/pkk purpose.
People who don't play a ton or who want to try unusual builds are in the position of running. Period.
It has nothing to do with fear, it's common sense. Clint might say, "a man's gotta know his limitations."
Happy Friday, everyone :drink:
People who don't play a ton or who want to try unusual builds are in the position of running. Period.
It has nothing to do with fear, it's common sense. Clint might say, "a man's gotta know his limitations."
Happy Friday, everyone :drink:
CoonerTheRed
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i tend to agree with spero... it's just not worth the risk. i'm not playing hc to risk dying at every (hostiled) opportunity. i tend to enjoy my characters, and i take any death (to pk (honorable or not) lag monster or stupidity) very personally. Whether I have a chance at winning or not (with any size/skill group) just isn't worth it. If i knew that I had a 95% chance of not dying, I STILL wouldn't stick around... mainly because fighting you isn't what gets me off (if it was, i'd be pking/dueling just like you...)
i have no problem with pks, just don't expect that your challenging me automatically makes it enjoyable for me to try and beat you.
and to whoever said that talking trash automatically means I deserve to die, you're full of moose turds. talking trash is at least as fun as dueling (i would say more fun) and my talking trash is no worse than your hostiling me... both are fun for the initiater, obnoxious to the recipient, and not at all productive...
i have no problem with pks, just don't expect that your challenging me automatically makes it enjoyable for me to try and beat you.
and to whoever said that talking trash automatically means I deserve to die, you're full of moose turds. talking trash is at least as fun as dueling (i would say more fun) and my talking trash is no worse than your hostiling me... both are fun for the initiater, obnoxious to the recipient, and not at all productive...
