Roles of Madness. Mafia Thread

[Kestegs]

my bets would be he is either scum, or he has a power to see who contacted him, hoping to lure scum to target him over night.

either way, i doubt he is the cop, as that would just be a bad play.

You are probably right, at last about him not being cop. Wifom for mafia though either way.

 

[Autti]

Re: Roles of Madness. Mafia Thread

Not too early for an investigation at all. I've investigated Laarz. Result: Innocent.

How did you receive confirmation already? I thought cop investigated at night and got results back at the start of the day?

 

[Goryani]

Re: Roles of Madness. Mafia Thread

How did you receive confirmation already? I thought cop investigated at night and got results back at the start of the day?

I guess Paladin's are afraid of the dark and do their best work during the day.

 

[Kestegs]

And why, preytell, would you choose laarz?

 

[Autti]

Re: Roles of Madness. Mafia Thread

Yeah that's a suspicious claim as well. Why not investigate someone who is obvious to either clear or convict, I.e Korial, Glib or myself. Lars just seems like a random choice. Why not confirm your suspicions surrounding a credible scum target.

Or if youR mafia it saves you and by extension Larz who has been lurking. Strange indeed.

And also your now a prime NK target, townie wouldn't do that. All because sarthorsis was quering you?

 

[coju]

Re: Roles of Madness. Mafia Thread

Nothing to say about all if this talk about you?

What? . .

 

[flubbucket1]

Re: Roles of Madness. Mafia Thread

Originally Posted by Goryani
Again, I'm wondering why you, of all people, need to ask these questions.



Cause you screwed up.

Originally Posted by Goryani
In no particular order:
It's possible to work toward a lynch without having a vote at the time or at the end of the day. It's working toward a lynch: not lurking toward a lynch. I normally phrase it "pursuit of a lynch." Since this is night and since you said you would do a deep meta analysis on me this night, I'll help you with phrases to look for.



Please clarify, how were you in pursuit of a lynch this day phase? And I don't think I'll think highly of your interpretation of pursuing a lynch if you thought that was what I did. I gathered information and remembered stuff to use later.

Originally Posted by Goryani
It's possible to not vote the lynchee because you think they aren't scum. I'm not claiming this reason this game. I'm claiming this reason in the WoT game. I voiced my displeasure at The Plan several times.



Saying you oppose a certain plan means jack ****.

Originally Posted by Goryani
II worked toward obtaining a lynch on D1. I asked lots of questions of lots of players. I gave lots of opinions. To imply that Noodle and I had such similar behavior that I deserve scolding for calling him out is to admit you didn't pay attention to anything I have written this game.



Fair enough, I glanced over all the dreaming nonsense. I read all your 'pursuit of a lynch' stuff and I'm not impressed.

Originally Posted by Goryani
In case you didn't notice (I guess not), I had a vote yesterday. In case you didn't notice (I guess not), I placed myself in a position to change my vote before the scheduled end of day.



Guess what, I had three votes yesterday and ended up in a similar position. Did I win?

Originally Posted by Solar Ice
But there was still time to see if the Scum had the balls to put the locking vote. Granted it would be unlikely that they would so so, as in that situation they benefit either way. Either everyone chickens out from fear of death and SK is not lynched and Town would have less info to go on from there being a No lynch D1. Or of course 2 Townies die.

(...) <----------------ISN'T THIS MISSING SOMETHING?!?!?!?!?!?! onder:

Why did he place the locking vote on SK, knowing full well that he (JCakes) is Town? Why not wait and let a Scum step up to the plate? We could have had an extra player to aid the Town.



Would you have pointed out the scum to finally lock Skjolde? Who would you point at? Your main scum suspect was Skjolde himself? Are you so good that you already had multiple scum pegged? On day one? Give me a break...

Originally Posted by Solar Ice
It should not be amusing for ANY townie that 2 of us are dead.



Granted a first time player having such an ability at that exact time makes it kinda funny.

Originally Posted by Valhauros
RlyehExiled's "For this night ONLY you may post as though it was day":
Does the "only" implies that this dream effect, consequence, or whatever it is, is unique and cannot be repeated? or is it just a matter of wording? Goryani, what's your take on this?



Nice to see you're spending your energy following up promising leads...

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So this is a classic scum tell then?

Why isn't Sathoris called on his selective quoting? Is it because he wears a hat? I'm not big on hats, messes up my hair. I do wear a helmet on the motorcycle but that's not really a hat.

@Autti: Typical scum tells that newbie make can include the following:
1. Presuming someone's innocence when it is not known to the rest of the town. Barring special circumstances, only the mafia know at the beginning of the game who is town and anti-town. If people think you have special knowledge, you are more likely to be town.
2. Fishing for power roles. Townies aren't concerned about who has what role, only about who is scum. Fishing for power roles (especially the cop) is a classic scum tell. Mentioning anything about wondering about power roles without it having previously been brought up is a scum tell.
3. Obvious distancing between two people. You don't want to get buddy buddy with anyone in the game unless you have good reason to, but going out of your way to show you have no association with someone when unprompted or providing too much detail when none was needed is seen as suspicious. It usually means that you in fact do have an association and are just really bad at hiding it, and are most likely anti-town.
4. Overly defensive/OMGUS: this is the classic newbie trap. You get voted on by one or two people, and suddenly the world is out to get you and you desperately try to tell everyone why you couldn't possibly be the one and pointing your fingers at everyone else. In theory, only people who have a guilty consious (and hence scum) are overly defensive. A townie should not mid coming under fire and may even welcome it if they know they can pull mafia into the discussion and catch them in a slip up. Also, it's never a good idea to cast an OMGUS vote. It basically means you have no real defense and are simply trying to deflect.

There are other tells, but those are the ones newbies typically do, and to which you have done to some extent. If I caught Ankeli or another vet doing these, it would be an auto-lynch from me.

@Glib:

This post by Jcakes, followed by his dogging you after he flipped townie present a strong case against you. Misquoting is a classic scum tell:

 

[flubbucket1]

Re: Roles of Madness. Mafia Thread

I'm caught up to the end of D1 at least.



LAMIST failure! Mafia haven't had a chance to night kill you so you can't be proven townie because everyone knows they would exact revenge against you this game.



Is this a Nixon syndrome then? D1 lynches is what the town should do to move forward but since you're special, you don't have to follow your own advice.


So if we want to look at your posts to see if you are a townie then we need to first prompt you to post? /poke I guess.



Really? I'm not at all surprised that happened (not allowed to play) but I don't think it should have happened in that manner.



/mostly agree
[*]

It's also disappointing to see someone give a "I've already said so" answer. It's a tactic scum use to make sure they don't give two different answers to the same line of questions and/or to avoid completely/sufficiently answering a line of questions.
[*] Followup questions to see if someone gives two different answers or to ensure someone answers completely/sufficiently are always fair game.



He was mafia and got caught laying low last game. If he's mafia this game, he probably wants to not be so low key.



Lynching for information? Not a good idea unless you think Skjolde is scum. I'm going to read your D1 posts to see how scummy you thought Skjolde was before this vote.

http://www.purediablo.com/forums/misc.php?do=whoposted&t=824479


Here's the link to post count.

I wasn't "caught" layng low. You don't remember me Googling Jailkeeper?? At least accuse me of the facts Pally.

 

[flubbucket1]

Re: Roles of Madness. Mafia Thread

How did you receive confirmation already? I thought cop investigated at night and got results back at the start of the day?

It's night now.

 

[flubbucket1]

Re: Roles of Madness. Mafia Thread

Not too early for an investigation at all. I've investigated Laarz. Result: Innocent.

I wanted to investigate a low post count player. Laarz wouldn't have been my first choice. The D1 story caused me to not choose any top choices as I didn't want to be tempted to investigate a player twice.

Now I suppose we get to debate the dream issue again, much to Sathoris' delight.



Cop is safer to early claim than our normal habit of docs.



I seem to have a big X on my back no matter if I claim or don't claim. Living to night 4 is a luxury I rarely get to see.

I like to read.

And why, preytell, would you choose laarz?

I still don't have a cell phone.

So you apparently have info that points to Mafia having day talk? Or what exactly are you trying to get at?



Have you guys tried reading the thread? I seriously don't know how you could have missed it.

Perhaps you were too busy texting on your......NM :wink:

 

[flubbucket1]

Re: Roles of Madness. Mafia Thread

GAME START!

In the town of Sunopal, a dark pressence could be felt, that and the roiling thunderclouds above the city kind of suggest some evil is at work. Heroes and adventurers from the land gathered in the town to root out the cause of evil, the Cult of The Dark One, but the evil god had a trick up his sleeve, he blinded the heroes, so they could no longer tell friend from foe. Working though his cult he will slowly elimiate all who stand before him to gain power needed to lay waste to the entire world. Can the heroes use their powers and wits to uncover the identity of thier foes in time?

It is now Day 1, The day will last 48 Hours.

21 Players alive, it currently takes 12 votes to lynch.

So when did the "blinding" start/stop?? I can't really be blind before the game starts.

Not too early for an investigation at all. I've investigated Laarz. Result: Innocent.

I wanted to investigate a low post count player. Laarz wouldn't have been my first choice. The D1 story caused me to not choose any top choices as I didn't want to be tempted to investigate a player twice.

Now I suppose we get to debate the dream issue again, much to Sathoris' delight.



Cop is safer to early claim than our normal habit of docs.



I seem to have a big X on my back no matter if I claim or don't claim. Living to night 4 is a luxury I rarely get to see.

This seems obvious (he investigated). Unless it is a lie, which I do not really consider a likely possibility. Can't really investigate on night 0 so I'm at a loss to understand the real substance of "blinded the heroes" unless there is none.

 

[Goryani]

Re: Roles of Madness. Mafia Thread

And why, preytell, would you choose laarz?

Yeah that's a suspicious claim as well. Why not investigate someone who is obvious to either clear or convict, I.e Korial, Glib or myself.

As I said earlier, it was a combination of wanting to pick someone with a low post count and taking into consideration possible interference by a dream hinted at by the D1 story.

Lars just seems like a random choice.

Why would a random choice be bad?

Why not confirm your suspicions surrounding a credible scum target.

I considered it likely I would not receive a guilty investigation result even if targeting scum. I didn't want to put myself into a position of having to investigate the same player twice this game.

Or if youR mafia it saves you and by extension Larz who has been lurking. Strange indeed.

If I'm town, does it still save Laarz?

And also your now a prime NK target, townie wouldn't do that. All because sarthorsis was quering you?

Sometimes a townie doesn't have a choice of circumstances they get placed in. A townie would try to make the best of every situation.

Google Lynley. It wasn't the questioning but the breadcrumbing of my role. Such an awkward phrase deserves investigation. Mafia know I'm not mafia. Mafia are either curious about the phrase or already know because Sathoris is one of them. Either way, I was outed.

 

[Goryani]

Re: Roles of Madness. Mafia Thread

In case anyone is curious, I sent in the investigation target fairly soon after Sathoris announced he was tracking my online activity. Any method which can tell what thread I'm viewing can also tell if/when I send a PM to the mod.

 

[RlyehExiled]

Re: Roles of Madness. Mafia Thread

Day starts in 10 mins, to help the transaction go smoothly please stop posting until day breaks.

 

[RlyehExiled]

Re: Roles of Madness. Mafia Thread

Dawn breaks and you slowly reel from your weird experience last night, it's not long before it comes apparant it was some kind of shared dream, clearly the hand of the dark one.

As you gather in the town square you find Solar ice there, dead, in some kind of juju style sacrifical position.

A quick headcount from paranoia you notice that you keep coming up 1 short still (even taking into acount solar's death), it doesn't take the search party long before Asrrin is found in an allyway, dead from poision.

Other than that everything seems normal in sunopal, even the crazy old guy yelling something about The sun and moon being a source of arcane power and about the sun blocking the moon.

Solar Ice was killed
Asrrin was killed

It is now Day 2 there are 17 players alive it takes 10 to lynch

Day ends in 48 hours.

 

[Ankeli1]

Re: Roles of Madness. Mafia Thread

I'd just like to notify you that I passed posting during the night on purpose. I didn't want to draw any mafia attention my way, and instead took it as an opportunity to follow the conversation going on. An interesting read.

I'm still inclined to go back to my yesterday's first instincts and vote for Autti. Autti, is there a grand reason why I shouldn't? And I'm not asking for your role or anything like that, I'd like you to point out some posts where you've shown something other than basic mafia telltales and instead benefitted the town.

To make myself more useful, I'll release the information I have now about last night. One of the people, either Solar Ice or Asrrin had the ability to night kill. The other one was a bus driver. I do not know if the night killer was pro- or anti-town, but I'm guessing he was anti-town because it was a permanent ability. And I don't know which one had which.

If I had to guess, I'd say Solar Ice was the mafioso, and Asrrin was the bus driver. Did Solar Ice at any point vote for Autti?

Ask questions if need be, but don't ask me to claim yet.

 

[Ankeli1]

Re: Roles of Madness. Mafia Thread

Oh, Goryani, did you inspect Laarz during last night, or the day phase? One of your comments suggests day.

 

[Kestegs]

Re: Copes of Madness. Mafia Thread

Interesting turn of events.

Coju: I asked: Why don't you have anything to say about everyone talking about how you "lol'ed" about two dead townies. Don't be coy.

Gory: Sorry, to ask a question you already answered, for some reason I missed the second part of your post that explained the reasoning for you choosing laarz. Do you have any indication that you are a normal cop? like did you get guaranteed sane or anything? Are you going to investigate someone else early today early on?

 

[Autti]

Re: Roles of Madness. Mafia Thread

Ankeli I'll reply to your post tomorrow, 12 hours, as my computer has died SSD drive failure and currently I cannot repair my image as I need a second drive. So please don't take my non-response as dodging the question.

 

[flubbucket1]

Re: Roles of Madness. Mafia Thread

Ankeli, I read every post and Solar Ice only cast the one vote for Skjolde.