Re: Roles of Madness. Mafia Thread
So is night talk because of the dream?
Yeah sorry that was misread by me.
So is night talk because of the dream?
Roles of Madness. Mafia Thread
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flubbucket1
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sorry how am i the godfather if i put two and two together and question it?
considering that you normally cannot talk, and the dream takes effect, and now we can talk at night. It seems logical that the dream effect is night talk. Even i pieced that one together and i'm a noob, the fact that you didn't is strange.
Are you deliberately trying to appear naive?
sorry how am i the godfather if i put two and two together and question it?
considering that you normally cannot talk, and the dream takes effect, and now we can talk at night. It seems logical that the dream effect is night talk. Even i pieced that one together and i'm a noob, the fact that you didn't is strange.
Are you deliberately trying to appear naive?
Kestegs
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Very interesting day end. Can't say I would have not placed the locking vote if I was in jcakes shoes though.
I think this is the first time I've seen talking at night in a game thread, very odd mechanic.
Glib: You seem very angry, care to explain?
Very interesting day end. Can't say I would have not placed the locking vote if I was in jcakes shoes though.
I think this is the first time I've seen talking at night in a game thread, very odd mechanic.
Glib: You seem very angry, care to explain?
korialstraz
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Oh wow this thread was busy since I left. Have to catch up before making any more posts. I expected maybe a page and a half, not 3 new pages.
Oh wow this thread was busy since I left. Have to catch up before making any more posts. I expected maybe a page and a half, not 3 new pages.
RlyehExiled
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@Gory: Yeah there was but I wasn't going to be here until now, so it was ethier end an hour early or 3-4 late, I decided (after a lot of thought) to go with the early end because:
A lynch had already happened
Hour longer night vs 3 hours shorter night to keep times the same is better
If a lynch haddent occured I would of cut the loses and let the night be shorter or something. I should be here to end all other days bang on 11am gmt though (Just today I had to go out, typical
) and sorry for any incovience it caused.
@Coju: I had a QT set up for this effect, but in the end I decided in thread was just more elegant if not a little weird.
@Gory: Yeah there was but I wasn't going to be here until now, so it was ethier end an hour early or 3-4 late, I decided (after a lot of thought) to go with the early end because:
A lynch had already happened
Hour longer night vs 3 hours shorter night to keep times the same is better
If a lynch haddent occured I would of cut the loses and let the night be shorter or something. I should be here to end all other days bang on 11am gmt though (Just today I had to go out, typical
) and sorry for any incovience it caused.@Coju: I had a QT set up for this effect, but in the end I decided in thread was just more elegant if not a little weird.
flubbucket1
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I started playing these games simply as entertainment; a place to make jokes. I soon found people didn’t appreciate me being so playful. I’ll admit I got my feelings hurt in some games and wondered if I had the stomach for this stuff. The level of viciousness threw me back on my heels and I took some of it personally. I took a sabbatical and read other posts of some of the more skilled players (my opinion) and concluded their vibe “in game†is radically different than outside the game. I pondered this. If I was to develop any skill at this game I needed to take it seriously and focus. In my previous post stating the fundamentals I thought I was clear enough.
There is no anger.
However, there is a tenacious scumhunter here. Does that answer your question, godfather?
I started playing these games simply as entertainment; a place to make jokes. I soon found people didn’t appreciate me being so playful. I’ll admit I got my feelings hurt in some games and wondered if I had the stomach for this stuff. The level of viciousness threw me back on my heels and I took some of it personally. I took a sabbatical and read other posts of some of the more skilled players (my opinion) and concluded their vibe “in game†is radically different than outside the game. I pondered this. If I was to develop any skill at this game I needed to take it seriously and focus. In my previous post stating the fundamentals I thought I was clear enough.
There is no anger.
However, there is a tenacious scumhunter here. Does that answer your question, godfather?
Pyrotechnician1
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I'm not quite sure how this is funny coju? Its like a repeat of the end of last game, we had a townie lock a lynch on the bomb (fighter in this case). The only thing I find slightly amusing is that RE included the party host function even though he did not have much success with it himself. But again thats only slightly amusing because now we've lost two roles which would tell us the person who killed at night and its at the beginning of the game.
I'm not quite sure how this is funny coju? Its like a repeat of the end of last game, we had a townie lock a lynch on the bomb (fighter in this case). The only thing I find slightly amusing is that RE included the party host function even though he did not have much success with it himself. But again thats only slightly amusing because now we've lost two roles which would tell us the person who killed at night and its at the beginning of the game.
flubbucket1
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I have no special knowledge.
However, since the game is nothing but Power Roles it is a obvious conclusion don't you think??
I have no special knowledge.
However, since the game is nothing but Power Roles it is a obvious conclusion don't you think??
Re: Roles of Madness. Mafia Thread
Time for a fresh approach and to re-frame the conversation. There are multiple lines of communication happening between several players and it's getting hard to track.
Play by play follows. Most I consider facts, unless I otherwise noted (implies, sounds, etc)
98 - BA asks if korialstraz has a post restriction.
99 - (2 min later) Skjolde "answers" for korialstraz saying: 1. korial isn't online. 2. It's not a post restriction, just someone offline. 3. Implies Skjolde knows the restriction BA is talking about even when BA didn't mention or hint at the restriction. 4. Doesn't sound at all surprised at the question.
106 - Laarz questions BA about asking the post restriction question.
107 - (6 min later) Skjolde responds to Laarz about why BA asked the question.
114 - kestegs wonders if korialstraz is allowed to answer about having a post restrictions if indeed korialstraz has a post restriction
117 - korialstraz apologizes for being away long enough for BA to ask about the post restriction (12 between posts). This also assumes that 1. korial knows the restriction BA is talking about. 2. Isn't surprised BA asked the question.
120 - korialstraz announces he will be off for the night.
124 - korialstraz announces he will be reading but not posting so don't be confused by his online status.
128 - korialstraz warns Skjolde that speaking for others can backfire.
139 - BA talks about why he asked the post restriction question. BA says Skjolde and kestegs defended korial.
146 - korialstraz responds to BA's 139. Among the things said/inferred: 1. korial knows why Skjolde defended him. 2. korial doesn't know why kestegs defended him. 3. #2 implies that korial also thinks kestegs defended him. 4. korial ays being online without posting is more scummy than not. 5. korial implies we should just believe him when he says he isn't scummy even when he does something that is (self admittedly) more scummy than not. 6. It should be noted that while korial said he would be online without posting, korial actually posted.
151 - korialstraz agrees with FoE that BA's question about post restriction being weird.
There are side conversations that need to be addressed eventually, but this is taking long enough.
@korialstraz
Do you agree with the general outline or the conversation? If not, why not?
Do you think Skjolde was passing along helpful information or do you think Skjolde was answering questions meant for you? If the latter, why? If the former, why do you think so many think it was the latter?
Do you think Skjolde was defending you in #99? If so, why?
Do you think kestegs was sticking up for you in #114?
Do you think Skjolde thought that you needed help answering BA's questions?
Do you think Skjolde thought that answering BA would help the town?
Time for a fresh approach and to re-frame the conversation. There are multiple lines of communication happening between several players and it's getting hard to track.
Play by play follows. Most I consider facts, unless I otherwise noted (implies, sounds, etc)
98 - BA asks if korialstraz has a post restriction.
99 - (2 min later) Skjolde "answers" for korialstraz saying: 1. korial isn't online. 2. It's not a post restriction, just someone offline. 3. Implies Skjolde knows the restriction BA is talking about even when BA didn't mention or hint at the restriction. 4. Doesn't sound at all surprised at the question.
106 - Laarz questions BA about asking the post restriction question.
107 - (6 min later) Skjolde responds to Laarz about why BA asked the question.
114 - kestegs wonders if korialstraz is allowed to answer about having a post restrictions if indeed korialstraz has a post restriction
117 - korialstraz apologizes for being away long enough for BA to ask about the post restriction (12 between posts). This also assumes that 1. korial knows the restriction BA is talking about. 2. Isn't surprised BA asked the question.
120 - korialstraz announces he will be off for the night.
124 - korialstraz announces he will be reading but not posting so don't be confused by his online status.
128 - korialstraz warns Skjolde that speaking for others can backfire.
139 - BA talks about why he asked the post restriction question. BA says Skjolde and kestegs defended korial.
146 - korialstraz responds to BA's 139. Among the things said/inferred: 1. korial knows why Skjolde defended him. 2. korial doesn't know why kestegs defended him. 3. #2 implies that korial also thinks kestegs defended him. 4. korial ays being online without posting is more scummy than not. 5. korial implies we should just believe him when he says he isn't scummy even when he does something that is (self admittedly) more scummy than not. 6. It should be noted that while korial said he would be online without posting, korial actually posted.
151 - korialstraz agrees with FoE that BA's question about post restriction being weird.
There are side conversations that need to be addressed eventually, but this is taking long enough.
@korialstraz
Do you agree with the general outline or the conversation? If not, why not?
Do you think Skjolde was passing along helpful information or do you think Skjolde was answering questions meant for you? If the latter, why? If the former, why do you think so many think it was the latter?
Do you think Skjolde was defending you in #99? If so, why?
Do you think kestegs was sticking up for you in #114?
Do you think Skjolde thought that you needed help answering BA's questions?
Do you think Skjolde thought that answering BA would help the town?
Re: Roles of Madness. Mafia Thread
What on earth are you people doing up at this ungodly hour? Don't you know it's time to sleep? Only miscreants and ner-do-wells are up at this hour!
All kidding aside, this post at night thing threw me for a loop. and also, can I just say that I REALLY hate not being able to be online during the last few hours of the day?
Ok, so SKjolde really was a fantastic newbie. Which throws doubts on how I feel about Autti somewhat. On the one hand Autti has made some absolutely ridiculous mistakes that point to him being mafia, on the other hand, so did Sk, and look how that turned out. I'm so confused.
Though now that we have an initial voting record, I can safely say that a good chunk of mafia will have voted for Sk as he was such an easy lynch. Also to note, that Korl seems to have been somewhat vindicated for sticking up for Sk (though I'm still not going to trust him) and autti and him both being new, it's interesting to note that two people attempted to turn votes into trains on all three of the new players. These people are Bad Ash, and Val. Both also piled on at the end to ensure the lynch would go through.
Also, thanks for showing me all the posts Flub made to look suspicious. I didn't catch most of it because I was only reading over once and didn't pick up on it, but looking back I could easily vote for him in light of all the new information. I would also vote to lynch Autti, but I won't be the one to start or finish a train on him because of my stated reasons. He's definitely a newbie to the game, so I can cut him some slack, but those mistakes are so glaring.
People I'd like to see lynched next day phase:
Bad Ash/Val: The bandwagoning these two (especially Val, who does not tend to post alot) did Day 1 warrants further prodding.
Glib: You made huge slip ups, and one of our townies died cursing your name.
Autti: You may be a newb at this, but you've made some big mistakes and they may end up costing you.
What on earth are you people doing up at this ungodly hour? Don't you know it's time to sleep? Only miscreants and ner-do-wells are up at this hour!
All kidding aside, this post at night thing threw me for a loop. and also, can I just say that I REALLY hate not being able to be online during the last few hours of the day?
Ok, so SKjolde really was a fantastic newbie. Which throws doubts on how I feel about Autti somewhat. On the one hand Autti has made some absolutely ridiculous mistakes that point to him being mafia, on the other hand, so did Sk, and look how that turned out. I'm so confused.
Though now that we have an initial voting record, I can safely say that a good chunk of mafia will have voted for Sk as he was such an easy lynch. Also to note, that Korl seems to have been somewhat vindicated for sticking up for Sk (though I'm still not going to trust him) and autti and him both being new, it's interesting to note that two people attempted to turn votes into trains on all three of the new players. These people are Bad Ash, and Val. Both also piled on at the end to ensure the lynch would go through.
Also, thanks for showing me all the posts Flub made to look suspicious. I didn't catch most of it because I was only reading over once and didn't pick up on it, but looking back I could easily vote for him in light of all the new information. I would also vote to lynch Autti, but I won't be the one to start or finish a train on him because of my stated reasons. He's definitely a newbie to the game, so I can cut him some slack, but those mistakes are so glaring.
People I'd like to see lynched next day phase:
Bad Ash/Val: The bandwagoning these two (especially Val, who does not tend to post alot) did Day 1 warrants further prodding.
Glib: You made huge slip ups, and one of our townies died cursing your name.
Autti: You may be a newb at this, but you've made some big mistakes and they may end up costing you.
Re: Roles of Madness. Mafia Thread
For my Peace of mind what mistakes have I made? As my post about not lasting long is true, noobs die haha. My thing about occams razor also helps me, for instance I have no idea what goryani posted even when it was an abridged version but again it's causes a self fulfilling prophecy that new players die.
Note this isn't a defense of my comments, I'll just have to live with my first day noobness but more a question of why those mistakes where that horrendous. They really don't seem that bad from my perspective.I'm trying not to talk about myself to much but also want to learn haha
For my Peace of mind what mistakes have I made? As my post about not lasting long is true, noobs die haha. My thing about occams razor also helps me, for instance I have no idea what goryani posted even when it was an abridged version but again it's causes a self fulfilling prophecy that new players die.
Note this isn't a defense of my comments, I'll just have to live with my first day noobness but more a question of why those mistakes where that horrendous. They really don't seem that bad from my perspective.I'm trying not to talk about myself to much but also want to learn haha
flubbucket1
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LozHinge the Unhinged
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Re: Roles of Madness. Mafia Thread
New people often try to learn how to play mafia games by not making mistakes, whereas we all know that you learn best by making mistakes. It's up to the experienced players to work out whether the new guys are inexperienced mafia making blunders or inexperienced townies making blunders.
And it's up to the more shrewd players to work out which players are mafia who are attempting to take advantage of the ensuing carnage.
New people often try to learn how to play mafia games by not making mistakes, whereas we all know that you learn best by making mistakes. It's up to the experienced players to work out whether the new guys are inexperienced mafia making blunders or inexperienced townies making blunders.
And it's up to the more shrewd players to work out which players are mafia who are attempting to take advantage of the ensuing carnage.
Re: Roles of Madness. Mafia Thread
I'm caught up to the end of D1 at least.
LAMIST failure! Mafia haven't had a chance to night kill you so you can't be proven townie because everyone knows they would exact revenge against you this game.
Is this a Nixon syndrome then? D1 lynches is what the town should do to move forward but since you're special, you don't have to follow your own advice.
Really? I'm not at all surprised that happened (not allowed to play) but I don't think it should have happened in that manner.
/mostly agree
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It's also disappointing to see someone give a "I've already said so" answer. It's a tactic scum use to make sure they don't give two different answers to the same line of questions and/or to avoid completely/sufficiently answering a line of questions.
[*] Followup questions to see if someone gives two different answers or to ensure someone answers completely/sufficiently are always fair game.
He was mafia and got caught laying low last game. If he's mafia this game, he probably wants to not be so low key.
Lynching for information? Not a good idea unless you think Skjolde is scum. I'm going to read your D1 posts to see how scummy you thought Skjolde was before this vote.
I'm caught up to the end of D1 at least.
LAMIST failure! Mafia haven't had a chance to night kill you so you can't be proven townie because everyone knows they would exact revenge against you this game.
Is this a Nixon syndrome then? D1 lynches is what the town should do to move forward but since you're special, you don't have to follow your own advice.
So if we want to look at your posts to see if you are a townie then we need to first prompt you to post? /poke I guess.
Really? I'm not at all surprised that happened (not allowed to play) but I don't think it should have happened in that manner.
/mostly agree
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It's also disappointing to see someone give a "I've already said so" answer. It's a tactic scum use to make sure they don't give two different answers to the same line of questions and/or to avoid completely/sufficiently answering a line of questions.
[*] Followup questions to see if someone gives two different answers or to ensure someone answers completely/sufficiently are always fair game.
He was mafia and got caught laying low last game. If he's mafia this game, he probably wants to not be so low key.
Lynching for information? Not a good idea unless you think Skjolde is scum. I'm going to read your D1 posts to see how scummy you thought Skjolde was before this vote.
Re: Roles of Madness. Mafia Thread
@Autti: Typical scum tells that newbie make can include the following:
1. Presuming someone's innocence when it is not known to the rest of the town. Barring special circumstances, only the mafia know at the beginning of the game who is town and anti-town. If people think you have special knowledge, you are more likely to be town.
2. Fishing for power roles. Townies aren't concerned about who has what role, only about who is scum. Fishing for power roles (especially the cop) is a classic scum tell. Mentioning anything about wondering about power roles without it having previously been brought up is a scum tell.
3. Obvious distancing between two people. You don't want to get buddy buddy with anyone in the game unless you have good reason to, but going out of your way to show you have no association with someone when unprompted or providing too much detail when none was needed is seen as suspicious. It usually means that you in fact do have an association and are just really bad at hiding it, and are most likely anti-town.
4. Overly defensive/OMGUS: this is the classic newbie trap. You get voted on by one or two people, and suddenly the world is out to get you and you desperately try to tell everyone why you couldn't possibly be the one and pointing your fingers at everyone else. In theory, only people who have a guilty consious (and hence scum) are overly defensive. A townie should not mid coming under fire and may even welcome it if they know they can pull mafia into the discussion and catch them in a slip up. Also, it's never a good idea to cast an OMGUS vote. It basically means you have no real defense and are simply trying to deflect.
There are other tells, but those are the ones newbies typically do, and to which you have done to some extent. If I caught Ankeli or another vet doing these, it would be an auto-lynch from me.
@Glib:
This post by Jcakes, followed by his dogging you after he flipped townie present a strong case against you. Misquoting is a classic scum tell:
@Autti: Typical scum tells that newbie make can include the following:
1. Presuming someone's innocence when it is not known to the rest of the town. Barring special circumstances, only the mafia know at the beginning of the game who is town and anti-town. If people think you have special knowledge, you are more likely to be town.
2. Fishing for power roles. Townies aren't concerned about who has what role, only about who is scum. Fishing for power roles (especially the cop) is a classic scum tell. Mentioning anything about wondering about power roles without it having previously been brought up is a scum tell.
3. Obvious distancing between two people. You don't want to get buddy buddy with anyone in the game unless you have good reason to, but going out of your way to show you have no association with someone when unprompted or providing too much detail when none was needed is seen as suspicious. It usually means that you in fact do have an association and are just really bad at hiding it, and are most likely anti-town.
4. Overly defensive/OMGUS: this is the classic newbie trap. You get voted on by one or two people, and suddenly the world is out to get you and you desperately try to tell everyone why you couldn't possibly be the one and pointing your fingers at everyone else. In theory, only people who have a guilty consious (and hence scum) are overly defensive. A townie should not mid coming under fire and may even welcome it if they know they can pull mafia into the discussion and catch them in a slip up. Also, it's never a good idea to cast an OMGUS vote. It basically means you have no real defense and are simply trying to deflect.
There are other tells, but those are the ones newbies typically do, and to which you have done to some extent. If I caught Ankeli or another vet doing these, it would be an auto-lynch from me.
@Glib:
This post by Jcakes, followed by his dogging you after he flipped townie present a strong case against you. Misquoting is a classic scum tell:
Re: Roles of Madness. Mafia Thread
You seem to be intentionally misunderstanding what I've posted. I'll simplify:
1. I agree that day one lynches are important, as they give valuable information to the town.
2. If my vote will secure a lynch, I will happily cast it.
3. If my vote will be meaningless, such as when someone has already been locked, I will not cast it.
Explain how that is a "Nixon syndrome."
You seem to be intentionally misunderstanding what I've posted. I'll simplify:
1. I agree that day one lynches are important, as they give valuable information to the town.
2. If my vote will secure a lynch, I will happily cast it.
3. If my vote will be meaningless, such as when someone has already been locked, I will not cast it.
Explain how that is a "Nixon syndrome."
