Caluin Graye
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Yup. Post until you see the day end story. Which is coming up very soon.
Returning to the Roots - Mini mafia game
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Yup. Post until you see the day end story. Which is coming up very soon.
Caluin Graye
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"Soooooo...." said the Palm. "About Doug Fir. It appears he was cut down by a chainsaw."
"Hmmm. Yup," replied Alder.
"I can't help but notice you're holding a chainsaw."
"Oh, this little thing? Yeah, it's stuck to my branches and I can't drop it."
"Stuck, huh? What's got it stuck to you?"
"Doug Fir was a sticky fellow. Lots of sap got everywhere when I was..... HEY. Oooo, that's tricky of you guys. Heh, almost had me going there for a moment."
All the other trees had formed a ring about Alder, and looked at him silently.
"Uh, what's up guys? You don't honestly think I had something to do with Fir, do you? Guys?"
Alder could smell something like smoke in the air. He looked down, and saw a tiny match laying amongst his now burning roots.
"All right, who just gave me a freakin' hot root? That's just childish!"
The remaining trees continued to watch silently as Alder went up in flames.
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Phillinnicus has been lynched! He was the Mafia Goon.
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Night time now, sssshhh. Thread will reopen in 24 hours, or when I get all night actions submitted and mafia say they're okay with opening earlier.
"Hmmm. Yup," replied Alder.
"I can't help but notice you're holding a chainsaw."
"Oh, this little thing? Yeah, it's stuck to my branches and I can't drop it."
"Stuck, huh? What's got it stuck to you?"
"Doug Fir was a sticky fellow. Lots of sap got everywhere when I was..... HEY. Oooo, that's tricky of you guys. Heh, almost had me going there for a moment."
All the other trees had formed a ring about Alder, and looked at him silently.
"Uh, what's up guys? You don't honestly think I had something to do with Fir, do you? Guys?"
Alder could smell something like smoke in the air. He looked down, and saw a tiny match laying amongst his now burning roots.
"All right, who just gave me a freakin' hot root? That's just childish!"
The remaining trees continued to watch silently as Alder went up in flames.
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Phillinnicus has been lynched! He was the Mafia Goon.
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Night time now, sssshhh. Thread will reopen in 24 hours, or when I get all night actions submitted and mafia say they're okay with opening earlier.
Caluin Graye
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WHUMP.
"OOOOoooohhhh.... I'm a lumberjack and I'm okay..."
The Conifer Evergreen happened to notice a large chunk missing from its trunk.
WHUMP.
"I sleep all night and work all day!"
Conifer turned, but didn't see anyone else nearby. Another chunk of it was missing now.
WHUMP.
"I cut down trees, I eat my lunch..."
This was alarming. Obviously something was singing, but Conifer could not find the source.
WHUMP.
"I go the lavvvvaaattooooorrrrreeeee!"
Now that just didn't make sense. Conifer felt itself falling, and crashed to the ground. Looking up, it saw the source of the signing.
WHUMP.
"On Wednesday's I go shopping, and have buttered scones for tea!" sang the looming source of the song, just as the axe fell down and made everything go silent.
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Bad Ash has been stumped! He was Town, Sane Cop.
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Let's say 24 hours if there's a lock by then, extended to 48 if nobody is yet on the chopping block.
With 5 alive, it's three votes to lock + lynch.
"OOOOoooohhhh.... I'm a lumberjack and I'm okay..."
The Conifer Evergreen happened to notice a large chunk missing from its trunk.
WHUMP.
"I sleep all night and work all day!"
Conifer turned, but didn't see anyone else nearby. Another chunk of it was missing now.
WHUMP.
"I cut down trees, I eat my lunch..."
This was alarming. Obviously something was singing, but Conifer could not find the source.
WHUMP.
"I go the lavvvvaaattooooorrrrreeeee!"
Now that just didn't make sense. Conifer felt itself falling, and crashed to the ground. Looking up, it saw the source of the signing.
WHUMP.
"On Wednesday's I go shopping, and have buttered scones for tea!" sang the looming source of the song, just as the axe fell down and made everything go silent.
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Bad Ash has been stumped! He was Town, Sane Cop.
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Let's say 24 hours if there's a lock by then, extended to 48 if nobody is yet on the chopping block.
With 5 alive, it's three votes to lock + lynch.
Kestegs
Active member
Well, I was hoping BA wouldn't be dead, but that would've just taken the challenge out I guess.
Don't see any reason not to full claim today, as I don't expect to be around tomorrow if we mislynch today. I'm a VT.
I'll try to find time to look back at phil's posts and see what I can figure.
Don't see any reason not to full claim today, as I don't expect to be around tomorrow if we mislynch today. I'm a VT.
I'll try to find time to look back at phil's posts and see what I can figure.
Easily. Though I'm not sure if that's the best idea right now.
Yesterday (before BA's claim), I had kestegs and phil as my top two suspects. BA was not a suspect. SI, Ankeli and yourself traded on and off for the honor of the next most scummiest player. Each of you had scummy moments and each of you had townie moments.
Your scummy moments I could characterize in the same way you acted in the Sphere game. Early participation is very general - more about the theme/setup than the players. Later on, most of your interactions with others become passive or reactive. Someone gives an opinion/theory/read and you show up later to agree or not (agree more often than not). It doesn't look like you have tried to find a lynch target this game. Your votes and reasons for voting are to basically say "I agree Soandso" and you place your stamp.
If I'm wrong about SI, then I think you are next most likely to be the last scum. I'd rather not make it easier for you to just say "I agree" and vote, so before I explain my case against SI, I'd like you to answer some questions.
Who do you think is the last scum? Have you built a case against them yet? What is that case?
Claiming will get a VT response out of everyone. I'm a VT.
I'm having a hard time between Gwaihir, Goryani and SI... I just don't know. My gut says Goryani, but my brains tell me it's Gwaihir based on what Goryani stated above.
I'm still gonna go with my gut, Goryani has been vocal, but hasn't really pressured anyone. He has made lengthy remarks of simple things, some of which didn't really warrant the level of attention he has paid to them.
Vote: Goryani
I'm having a hard time between Gwaihir, Goryani and SI... I just don't know. My gut says Goryani, but my brains tell me it's Gwaihir based on what Goryani stated above.
I'm still gonna go with my gut, Goryani has been vocal, but hasn't really pressured anyone. He has made lengthy remarks of simple things, some of which didn't really warrant the level of attention he has paid to them.
Vote: Goryani
I daresay Moar, Phillinnicus and kestegs would disagree with you on that one.
I guess there is no reason not to claim - just a Vanilla Townie, but don't think it will get us anywhere, the only person who would not claim VT is a jailkeeper, but it seems unlikely we have one as I would think they would have come forward already.
Yesterday kegs was on top of my list, with Phil coming in second (as an either or, not both). Now I think it has to be either you or SI, and I feel the case for you is much stronger.
1) Timing of case for kegs - You posted what seemed like one of your block of proof texts, but with no vote, but then later put up a block for kegs with a vote. Seemed like it might have been designed to get the lynch away from Phil.
2) Scum list from yesterday and today:
2 mafia + 1 scummy townie = 3. Yet you just said in the previous post that you had 2 top options yesterday, with a 3rd rotating. Seems like a contradiction to me.
3) Case for SI - I don't get what you were going for. I went back and read the posts you mentioned and apparently did not get the revelation you did. But it was presented as an open-shut case. Why? My thought here is that it is because BA said there were only 2 options he saw - you and I. While I disagreed as well, if you were the mafia, you would need to make sure there was a 3rd lynch on the table if you had any chance at winning the game - hence why you went at SI so hard at the end of yesterday.
4) Missed the VT reveal for Zokar. Possible you did not read the day start close enough. But when I read it, that immediately popped out to me. And there is not much that normally gets past you. There is the possibility that you pretended not to see it so your "I believe an unproven cop" post makes you look townie. Also, why would you not read the role reveal carefully in the intro post and not see the VT reveal? One possibility is that CG told you Zokar was a VT in your mafia thread and so you had no reason to look closely at what was found in the opening post.
5) Questions at Phil all seem to be pretty soft up until it looked like he was lynched for sure, at which point you put up quite a bit of text. Interaction, but no real pressure, whereas SI asked several needling questions of Phil D1 and D2.
These lead me to believe you are more likely than SI to be the last mafia.
Yesterday kegs was on top of my list, with Phil coming in second (as an either or, not both). Now I think it has to be either you or SI, and I feel the case for you is much stronger.
1) Timing of case for kegs - You posted what seemed like one of your block of proof texts, but with no vote, but then later put up a block for kegs with a vote. Seemed like it might have been designed to get the lynch away from Phil.
2) Scum list from yesterday and today:
2 mafia + 1 scummy townie = 3. Yet you just said in the previous post that you had 2 top options yesterday, with a 3rd rotating. Seems like a contradiction to me.
3) Case for SI - I don't get what you were going for. I went back and read the posts you mentioned and apparently did not get the revelation you did. But it was presented as an open-shut case. Why? My thought here is that it is because BA said there were only 2 options he saw - you and I. While I disagreed as well, if you were the mafia, you would need to make sure there was a 3rd lynch on the table if you had any chance at winning the game - hence why you went at SI so hard at the end of yesterday.
4) Missed the VT reveal for Zokar. Possible you did not read the day start close enough. But when I read it, that immediately popped out to me. And there is not much that normally gets past you. There is the possibility that you pretended not to see it so your "I believe an unproven cop" post makes you look townie. Also, why would you not read the role reveal carefully in the intro post and not see the VT reveal? One possibility is that CG told you Zokar was a VT in your mafia thread and so you had no reason to look closely at what was found in the opening post.
5) Questions at Phil all seem to be pretty soft up until it looked like he was lynched for sure, at which point you put up quite a bit of text. Interaction, but no real pressure, whereas SI asked several needling questions of Phil D1 and D2.
These lead me to believe you are more likely than SI to be the last mafia.
Solar Ice
Well-known member
One of the things that I ask myself when looking for Mafia is: Has the person in question done something to help the Town,especially when it mattered the most?
Yesterday was a groundbreaking Day for the Town. Judging from the events of Yesterday, in your case, the answer to the question is a resounding no. Here is why:
Phillinnicus has three votes on him, I unvote and. Bad Ash later on votes him. Kestegs replies to your question in #169 in #172 that he finds me scummy and BA is not really suspicious. You vote him four minutes after he replies to that. I do not think that anything kestegs answers at that point is enough for you to not get his vote at that time. We had a justified lynch going at Phillinicus at the time.
You were not content. You made a long and detailed case in post 179 for kestegs. It very much looks to me like you attempted to save him from the ropes by targeting the player that you could make the best sounding case on at the time. You tried to swing the lynch at that particular point – and lo and behold Phillinnicus is Mafia. Bussing Phil right then would put you in a bad shape at that point. You needed to take a chance to go into Today in LYLO – which is exactly where we would be had kestegs been lynched instead of Phil.
Your case and Gwaihir's vote forced Bad Ash to claim to save kestegs. When Bad Ash claimed, you went after me. Again, look at the timing – right before Day end. You were trying very hard to paint me as scum right before Day end, in order to make BA direct his investigation onto someone besides you.
Here is another attempt to make you look Town. You mention that you see that there is a lock. And you vote “in caseâ€. In case what? In case your lock is not a lock 8 minutes after 2 players ninja locked him? It smells of wanting in on the train so that players reading and rereading the thread look and see that you have voted.
I do not get a Town feeling from you, and you are my main suspect by a country mile. I suspect that you are Phil’s partner in crime and that your lynch will end the game. If it does not, your resolute case follower Gwaihir (refer again to my question in the first paragraph as to a reason why) will very likely get my vote, if either of us are still here Tomorrow.
I have no doubts right now in placing my vote right here Today:
Vote: Goryani
Yesterday was a groundbreaking Day for the Town. Judging from the events of Yesterday, in your case, the answer to the question is a resounding no. Here is why:
Phillinnicus has three votes on him, I unvote and. Bad Ash later on votes him. Kestegs replies to your question in #169 in #172 that he finds me scummy and BA is not really suspicious. You vote him four minutes after he replies to that. I do not think that anything kestegs answers at that point is enough for you to not get his vote at that time. We had a justified lynch going at Phillinicus at the time.
You were not content. You made a long and detailed case in post 179 for kestegs. It very much looks to me like you attempted to save him from the ropes by targeting the player that you could make the best sounding case on at the time. You tried to swing the lynch at that particular point – and lo and behold Phillinnicus is Mafia. Bussing Phil right then would put you in a bad shape at that point. You needed to take a chance to go into Today in LYLO – which is exactly where we would be had kestegs been lynched instead of Phil.
Your case and Gwaihir's vote forced Bad Ash to claim to save kestegs. When Bad Ash claimed, you went after me. Again, look at the timing – right before Day end. You were trying very hard to paint me as scum right before Day end, in order to make BA direct his investigation onto someone besides you.
Here is another attempt to make you look Town. You mention that you see that there is a lock. And you vote “in caseâ€. In case what? In case your lock is not a lock 8 minutes after 2 players ninja locked him? It smells of wanting in on the train so that players reading and rereading the thread look and see that you have voted.
I do not get a Town feeling from you, and you are my main suspect by a country mile. I suspect that you are Phil’s partner in crime and that your lynch will end the game. If it does not, your resolute case follower Gwaihir (refer again to my question in the first paragraph as to a reason why) will very likely get my vote, if either of us are still here Tomorrow.
I have no doubts right now in placing my vote right here Today:
Vote: Goryani
Solar Ice
Well-known member
That above post took well over 40 minutes of trying to post, with linking 3 links and a quote. The "especially when it mattered the most" was underlined now it it not. The connection is horrific and I suspect that it is either my laptop or my ISP because I have never experienced a connection for this period of time that is this frustrating.
Caluin Graye
New member
Just as an FYI; my parents are visiting from out of state for a week. My activity will be lessened, but I'll still check in regularly.
Current votes:
Goryani (2): Ankeli; Solar Ice
Solar Ice (1): Goryani
Current votes:
Goryani (2): Ankeli; Solar Ice
Solar Ice (1): Goryani
I didn't want another quick lynch of Phillinnicus. I didn't obtain nearly enough useful info about Moar's lynch so I stretched out the conversation. While one of my top two scum was at L-1, I made a case the other of my top two scum.
In the first quote, I mention there are more than 2 scummy players. In the second quote I mention there are more than 2 scummy players. The phrase "top 2" does not restrict the scummy list to only 2. Only two of the five players could be scum. That means three of them were town. I slowed down the conversation in order to get better reads.
You are allowed to come up with your own ideas why someone is or isn't scummy. Even if you don't understand my reason(s) it's possible you have your own reason(s). Even if you do understand my reasons it's possible your own reasons conflict with mine.
Furthermore, I haven't presented a case against SI. I've given my opinion and some hints but haven't presented any case, let alone an open-shut case. I want you and others to form your own opinion of someone before reading my words. Agreement before any evidence is presented is probably more correct than being convinced based on my words.
Putting a third lynch on the table? On D2? I don't think I'm that bad of a player as scum. Any mafioso putting forth a third lynch on D2 would have an excellent chance at LOSING. The correct mafia play would have been to vote phillinnicus, hope the day ends on lock, and keep quiet until D3. The "third lynchee" would not be lynched that day and wouldn't receive any serious heat that day at all due to the time left in the day. There was a living cop in the game who could have investigated and cleared the third lynchee. If there was a doc in the game (33% chance if a cop is in the game) that most likely would have happened.
Everything you said here is possible. But it's not true. I missed Zokar's flip. Can't see the forest through the trees I guess. Maybe the other way around. It's not the first time it's happened nor will it be the last.
How would you characterize post 73? Post 95? Post 137? Compare them to your own questions toward Phil. Compare them to SI's questions toward Phil. Do any questions look like bussing instead of interrogation?
My case against SI that I hinted at yesterday:
Post 119: "Same suspects remain for me. Top ones are Kestegs, Phillinnicus and now Ankeli."
Post 147: "leads me to believe that [Phil] are Bad Ash's scumpartner."
Post 153: "I know you are Mafia, and you know it. And yet you still want to do everything in your power to prevent the lynch of your scumbuddy?" [referring to BA and Phil as scumbuddies]
[Post 119 refers to the first list. Posts 147 and 153 refer to the second list]
SI makes a list. Later, SI makes a different list. One name is on both (Phil). Two from the first list are not on the second (kestegs, Ankeli). One on the second is not on the first (BA).
I think it's safe to assume that BA appears on the second list because of their interaction in between post 119 and 153. SI also said as much in post 149.
I wasn't certain if SI no longer thought kestegs and Ankeli scummy at all or just less scummy. So in order to learn more, in post 163, I ask:
The answer:
Now for a mea culpa. When I saw post 196, I read the talk of Ankeli in the past tense. I didn't think that was correct, timeline wise, so I asked for proof and the rest of the conversation continued. I have "proof" that suspicion of Ankeli shouldn't have lessened prior to posts 147/153. My case against SI was partly based on that mistake.
SI was right when he said he referred to Ankeli's waning suspicion levels in the present tense. I didn't catch that at first.
The rest of the conversation:
Post 119: "Same suspects remain for me. Top ones are Kestegs, Phillinnicus and now Ankeli."
Post 147: "leads me to believe that [Phil] are Bad Ash's scumpartner."
Post 153: "I know you are Mafia, and you know it. And yet you still want to do everything in your power to prevent the lynch of your scumbuddy?" [referring to BA and Phil as scumbuddies]
[Post 119 refers to the first list. Posts 147 and 153 refer to the second list]
SI makes a list. Later, SI makes a different list. One name is on both (Phil). Two from the first list are not on the second (kestegs, Ankeli). One on the second is not on the first (BA).
I think it's safe to assume that BA appears on the second list because of their interaction in between post 119 and 153. SI also said as much in post 149.
I wasn't certain if SI no longer thought kestegs and Ankeli scummy at all or just less scummy. So in order to learn more, in post 163, I ask:
The answer:
Now for a mea culpa. When I saw post 196, I read the talk of Ankeli in the past tense. I didn't think that was correct, timeline wise, so I asked for proof and the rest of the conversation continued. I have "proof" that suspicion of Ankeli shouldn't have lessened prior to posts 147/153. My case against SI was partly based on that mistake.
SI was right when he said he referred to Ankeli's waning suspicion levels in the present tense. I didn't catch that at first.
The rest of the conversation:
The other big thing in my case against SI references something I said to BA.
If there was a mafia busser on Phil then I think it's SI. I even pointed it out during my case against kestegs. There really ought to have been a busser. Phil had heat on him starting D1 from multiple players.
If you are going to bus a teammate, you should call them scumbuddies with a townie. I've done it before. If the scumbuddy is lynched, the townie is more likely to be lynched the next day. At a minimum, you have a clear path of action you can take. If the townie is lynched, the scumbuddy is less likely to be lynched. If you end up getting lynched, your scumbuddy will seem that much more townie. It's a way to put your team closer to a win no matter what happens. SI's play exemplifies proper mafia bussing behavior.
If there was a mafia busser on Phil then I think it's SI. I even pointed it out during my case against kestegs. There really ought to have been a busser. Phil had heat on him starting D1 from multiple players.
If you are going to bus a teammate, you should call them scumbuddies with a townie. I've done it before. If the scumbuddy is lynched, the townie is more likely to be lynched the next day. At a minimum, you have a clear path of action you can take. If the townie is lynched, the scumbuddy is less likely to be lynched. If you end up getting lynched, your scumbuddy will seem that much more townie. It's a way to put your team closer to a win no matter what happens. SI's play exemplifies proper mafia bussing behavior.
If there wasn't a busser on Phil then I think Gwaihir is mafia. His play is almost too scummy to be scummy.
Contrary to bussing, Gwaihir's treatment toward Phil is everything he accused me of.
Posted ~30min after Phil was at L-1:
It was also the first time Gwaihir interacted with Phil on D2 (whether soft or needling).
Contrary to bussing, Gwaihir's treatment toward Phil is everything he accused me of.
Posted ~30min after Phil was at L-1:
It was also the first time Gwaihir interacted with Phil on D2 (whether soft or needling).
From my point of view, the decision is between Solar Ice and Gwaihir. I have a vote on SI but I wanted to see both SI and Gwaihir react before changing it. Now that they have, I would rather vote Gwaihir today.
@Ankeli and kestegs
If you think the decision is between SI and Gwaihir then I'll change to Gwaihir. If you think the decision is between me and someone else, I'll self vote. I CAN'T be allowed to survive the night if either of you have doubts about me.
@Ankeli and kestegs
If you think the decision is between SI and Gwaihir then I'll change to Gwaihir. If you think the decision is between me and someone else, I'll self vote. I CAN'T be allowed to survive the night if either of you have doubts about me.
You are right that kestegs answer to that question wouldn't change my decision to vote. It provided another piece of evidence but it was not the sole piece of evidence and was certainly not the most important piece. If kestegs answer to that question was satisfactory, I would have quoted a different post or not quoted him at all and just placed the vote.
Very true. I was NOT content with a quickie lynch and lock. I wanted more discussion and set out to get it. I'm THRILLED at the outcome.
That would be so unbelievably scummy if either Phil flips scum or kestegs flips town. Such an action is equivalent to self sacrifice. The proper mafia action should have been to bus. If not bus, then an indecisive middle ground like Gwaihir took.
BA should have claimed by day end regardless of any case against any other player. Even with a quick Phil lynch.
I didn't try to get BA to change his investigation target because I didn't think it would matter. If no doc is in the game, BA dies or is jailed (no investigation). If a doc is in the game, I think BA lives and either gets a townie or guilty verdict. Any investigation target leads to a town win. Even if he investigates me.
As a matter of fact, I think BA was WIFOMing us and didn't send in you as the target. We won't find out until post-game, but I think it's more likely he investigated me than you. Yes, this makes me look scummier.
I was on the train even without my "just in case" vote. By the way, I don't think my vote was valid since I forgot to unvote kestegs first. Look at how I questioned Phil on D1 and before he had a single vote on D2.
