OT: The SPF Mafia Game Round Three

[Sint Nikolaas]

First off, thanks for the host Skool. I wasn't that happy with the mafia role (difficult to play), but at least it made me survive past night 2 :grin:

I think it was a good game from everyone. We all played the way we thought was right and I don't think there have been (too much) ''bad plays''. Other then that I think Jaago did a very good job, I didn't suspect him to be the VI. I got the VI vibe only once and that was the day after I was lynched from Thyiad (I actually sent her a PM [without role fishing] to congratulate her if she was the VI, since we were both dead). Other then that I didn't see it trough the game. Yeah I got into it when Rev was playing the fool, but hey, anything to divert attention when you're mafia huh?

I also thought we played a very decent game if I can pat myself on the back. We were screwed on day one if you look at it. The first night we indeed had made a kill, but it was missed. That combined with the substitute of Moar made her marked. That's one down we couldn't get to the end.
Muzzz made a major slip up saying he needed to PM. My god, I don't see why people hadn't voted him out on that. It was the only solid lead in the first 3-4 days for anyone, but it got brushed aside (couldn't believe it when that happened). You might say ''yeah maybe he said it because he was VI or a town role'', yep, but if he was VI he would likely responded differently or make more ''mistakes'' if he planned that slip up and if he was a town role he would just have to reveil himself when he's about to be lynched. The possibility of lynching a mafia member is just too big to miss out on... so that would've been two down.
And me.. well, I fully expected to get lynched somewhere along the line. All I could do was divert attention and hopefully take someone with me. Which worked, I guess. Troughout the game I really played ''honest'' though, I tried to look at the game as though I was a townie and make my plays according to that. I did lie most of the time ofcourse, but when I said I found something suspicious or anything I would've been suspicious if I was a townie. I think that helped quite a bit. I also did see nikon comming as cop, that's why I planted that remark about ''I feel a cop story comming'' so I could actually try to counter or discredit a cop claim from you. You didn't make it which was decent enough, however I think you missed out an oppertunity to help the town when you were about to be lynched. Not because you investigated me, but because you investigated townies too.

Well played indeed, I'm happy with the second place :smiley:

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If Muzzz and Moar are okay with it and someone is interested I can give out pieces of our nighttime discussion to show our tactics. We had it bad when Moar and I were dogged and we changed it up a few times. All in all a decent read.

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I'm hosting the next mafia round, which will have a different set up. One thing that will be present is role-reveiling on death. I think that the mafia had a good show and will make it a bit harder on them. I'll try to balance it though and introduce a new role. I hope to see everyone in the next one and maybe some new faces! :smiley:
I'll make a thread later today/tonight probably. First going to savour the 2nd place (moral win though)!

ps. Jaago, we probably didn't murder you because we had other contestants. The choosing of a victim was more looking at voting strategies, who's on whose tail, who's on ours, who's a free kill, who's a kill that would confuse etc. We talked about the VI a couple of times, but that took less interest.

 

[muzzz]

Yay, we ended 2nd! Still feels like a win to me though, because I never expected we'd get this far after Sint got lynched and Moar already had a rope with her name on it.

Jaago - :thumbsup: At the end I started getting my doubts about you. But by then you and Rash were my main safety nets, and I was more concerned with not getting lynched than anything else. I almost imprisoned you, though :laugh:

Lister - :flowers:

Rash - obviously, we aimed for as much confusion as we thought we could.

Nikon - I had been wondering whether you investigated me. To my shame, I didn't even believe you were the cop after you named the three of us. But we probably don't need to go on about Nikon anymore. I'm sure the lynching was hard enough on him.

Sint - I almost forgot about that silly slip :embarassed:. I was confused as hell that first day, and didn't stop to think how people would jump on that. In my defense though, I really didn't mean I had to send one. I don't mind posting any of our discussions.

We got off to a really bad start. I didn't notice the PM with my role until later. I replied, but didn't hear anything until skoolbus called day. Then I got called to account for my login time as well. I never thought I'd survive that day. Luckily other people attracted attention as well, and things started to look better until Sint got accused twice in a row. When he and Nikon went monster vs. monster things started looking bleak. It still felt like Moar and I were already on the lynching queue and now Sint was joining as well. But to my (our?) surprise, the town reversed the lynching order I'd expected. You guys took your sweet time lynching Moar. I had a bad feeling about the last days, until everyone came to the rescue by jumping on Rash and Jaago.

As for the game itself, I sometimes found the days and/or discussions growing a bit long. One variation I've been thinking of was a limited-talk mafia game, with something like a 3 posts per day per player limit.

 

[Jaago]

BTW, I'm in for one more round. Just gimme some other role in it. :smiley: Let's just hope there will be no awkward drop-outs again.

The VI role was very restricting, imho. I couldn't really let my real thoughts into the open because they would have probably been too townie-like (though they might not have been very accurate). My main strategy shaped to being aggressive all the time, and towards too many different people. I thought it would make me less of a threat to mafia but i was often afraid of getting investigated by the cop. And I had to hope tha mafia wouldn't catch me because they knew I couldn't be mafia, leaving few other options.

Also, I was stunned by so many people (RK, Thyiad) starting to act like the VI and the way town just charged at them not thinking about consequences, so I think the excess subtlety I tried to have was a bit unnecessary. I don't know if anyone ever really cared about the danger of lynching the VI, which somehow sucked out the point of the role, methinks.

 

[muzzz]

I'm up for another round as well, preferably one with a laid-back townie role :grin:

One of the problems with the VI role is the amount of reverse psychology involved. Is he trying to get lynched, or trying not to get lynched by acting like a VI? It's even worse if you have a witness who's aware of the role and could be acting like the VI to get mafia-killed.

 

[Rashiminos]

Also, I was stunned by so many people (RK, Thyiad) starting to act like the VI and the way town just charged at them not thinking about consequences, so I think the excess subtlety I tried to have was a bit unnecessary. I don't know if anyone ever really cared about the danger of lynching the VI, which somehow sucked out the point of the role, methinks.

I'm thinking too many people tried to read the VI, when it's only really worth a consideration after someone is well on his/her way to being lynched...

That's mostly why I found Lister suspicious. It seemed he was intentionally putting too many people in the VI/mafia acting-like-VI category.


Who was witness?

 

[Rashiminos]

It's not my fault.

For the protocol, out of the three I had only investigated Sint. Make of it what you will.

Maybe, maybe not.

As for deducing the other 2 from the first, that's pretty good (although potentially dangerous if they hadn't been mafia and we knew you were cop).

 

[skunkbelly]

If I had a nickel for every time I thought of changing my vote to muzzz on the last day... :rant:

Oh well. Well played, mafia! I'm in for the next round as well.

 

[GoHabsGo]

Hey Jaago, you need to share the glory with me! I spent half the game trying to lynch you

 

[goltar25]

If we'll have role reveals, I'll probably be in on the next round. So long as the days (and nights for that matter) don't drag out as long. That's my biggest complaint, near the end I was simply ready to end it, one way or another. But it got interesting after muzzz imprisoned me. Though I'd really like to know, why me in particular?

 

[muzzz]

Though I'd really like to know, why me in particular?

I knew the last day would be up close and personal, and I wanted to avoid ended up with a bunch of people that had eachother on their townie-list. I figured you and w_m would be unlikely to vote for one another. The two of you didn't seem an immediate threat though, and I wanted to detain someone for confusion anyway. So I figured I might as well see if it got you lynched. It didn't work out exactly as planned, but I won't complain :grin:

 

[goltar25]

I don't know how likely it would have been for her to vote for me, but I wasn't very likely at all to vote for her. Something that she said (in real life) after the first night just screamed that she was not mafia. Not something I could give details on in game, and I don't remember it well enough right now, though knowing her she probably does. I mentioned it to her a few real days later, when skoolbus said I couldn't give details in game but I could still use the knowledge myself. I figured it only fair to let her know at least what she'd done.

Though we never did reveal our roles to each other. Oh, and Lister, somewhere back, you made a comment that I meant to respond to at the time, but completely forgot about until I saw it looking back through.

Aren't you as a couple supposed to be two halves of the same?

Two halves of the same whole, but each half can be different. The two halves are still unique pieces, complementary to each other. While able to function individually, they function better together. The two halves can be nearly identical, but that is not a requirement by any means. I'm not going to go further in that, I don't want to start getting too sappy for anyone here, or start trying to give advice. That's too OT for this thread.

 

[LORD NIKON]

Maybe, maybe not.

As for deducing the other 2 from the first, that's pretty good (although potentially dangerous if they hadn't been mafia and we knew you were cop).

Maybe? Dangerous? Isn't lynching the person you know to be the cop more dangerous? How about losing the game because of it? I had practically won you the game but the townies blew it. Big time. And then you come here and accuse me of your own faults.

GG I guess?

 

[Rashiminos]

Maybe? Dangerous? Isn't lynching the person you know to be the cop more dangerous? How about losing the game because of it? I had practically won you the game but the townies blew it. Big time. And then you come here and accuse me of your own faults.

GG I guess?

We didn't know. I'm not sure most of the town had a reason to believe you were the cop. It took townies to lynch you. Maybe they screwed up, maybe you let them...

 

[Sint Nikolaas]

Okay, I don't want to get this out of hand, but blaming ''the townies'' for blowing the game (big time) just isn't fair. If you would be certain of winning the game then you would've won. Blaming other people to vote for you while you are the cop and trying to reveil a mafia isn't their fault. In other people's eyes you were acting suspicious enough to be voted for and while you were hot on my tail you could've done something about that instead of saying that the town lost the game because of that.
I'm not defending rash here, but he can't be sure you were the cop (even if you reveiled) and he voted back then with a reason of his own. Yes it was too bad and not in town interest, however he wasn't the only one. He put the lynching vote, but other people brought you to lynch-1.

then you come here and accuse me of your own faults.

GG I guess?

Sorry. Don't blame others. Everyone played in a way they thought best, everyone can only admit their own mistakes.

 

[Rashiminos]

I'll put it this way, if someone puts the 8th vote on Nikon, I'll lynch him, it won't matter how much I don't want to.

I'd do this because

A) it seems to be the only way of avoiding yet another no lynch.
B) His insolent arguments yesterday were not helping the town.

I particularly don't think he's mafia, but if you're going to switch, do it now.

Putting myself in this position was a big mistake, but I was tired of the no-lynches. That got me lynched, I think... The town did lose on a no-lynch though...

 

[Jaago]

If I had been townie I probably wouldn't have voted for Nikon that day, but it was in my interests then because I couldn't get myself lynched with Nikon attracting so many votes to himself. I did feel very sorry for him, though.

 

[Moar]

Congrats Jaago. You wee never on my suspect list for the VI and you were voting a lot for me, so we couldn't kill you at night. :smiley:

I knew I had a rope around my neck once I got skoolbus pm that I was mafia, so it basically was just a question how long I could play the game. My strategy was to post not too much and lay low. I think you guys just forgot about me after the first couple of days as other, more juicy, targets showed up. I'm very happy about that, the nights were quite fun. Sint, it's fine for me if you want to send out some of our discussion.

Muzzz played very well in the end. Great strategy! I was sure we'd lose once Sint got lynched.

I'm in for the next round, where I can hopefully participate more. :smiley:

 

[LORD NIKON]

Okay, I don't want to get this out of hand, but blaming ''the townies'' for blowing the game (big time) just isn't fair. If you would be certain of winning the game then you would've won. Blaming other people to vote for you while you are the cop and trying to reveil a mafia isn't their fault. In other people's eyes you were acting suspicious enough to be voted for and while you were hot on my tail you could've done something about that instead of saying that the town lost the game because of that.
I'm not defending rash here, but he can't be sure you were the cop (even if you reveiled) and he voted back then with a reason of his own. Yes it was too bad and not in town interest, however he wasn't the only one. He put the lynching vote, but other people brought you to lynch-1.

Sorry. Don't blame others. Everyone played in a way they thought best, everyone can only admit their own mistakes.

OK, but they seem to blame me for their mistakes as well. I'm not responsible for their uninformed votes (i.e. Thyiad, W_M, etc.) but according to townies it's somehow my fault.

It's not.

Bottom line is, I was right but they didn't like my tone. Pshaw...

 

[Rashiminos]

You did an excellent job finding the mafia, but since you were the cop, that was the easy part. The harder and more important task was getting skeptical townies to believe you. Your tone wasn't impressing anyone (neither was mine for that matter).

 

[muzzz]

In my eyes it was communication problem. As with most of those you can blame both sides, or neither, but not one alone.

Most importantly, I think everyone realizes what they might have done to bring things to a better conclusion. Can we leave it at that?