Post 120.
Here Lister implies that the village idiot would immediately stand out and start doing a lot of creepy things and that mafia might attempt to duplicate such behavior in order to appear idiotic and deflect votes. The idiot has to get the majority of votes, and probably is looking to set up a case of mafia against himself or herself, which the VI won't do by acting like a moron, though that might seem odd to some players. Mafia could be hiding under this guise, be there may be townies with the incentive to do the same thing, particularly if they don't want to be lynched.
Post 128.
In this post Lister makes comments on muzzz's "forgot to PM" post and points out the possibilities of what that means should muzzz have a role besides townie. W_M doesn't think he is a mason, and I wonder why muzzz isn't dead if he did need to send a PM in the night. This post shows Lister making pro-town insights.
Post 154.
Lister made a no-lynch vote here, expressing concern about how we might hit something other than mafia, such as the village idiot or (and this is the fun part) other townies. He's limited his suspicious people arguments to mafia or VI recently and has forgotten about
other roles.
Two posts later the 'suspicious people must be either VI or mafia' diatribes start, without the consideration that townies do make mistakes that draw unnecessary attention, myself included.
Post 193
Posts like these are really why I try to nip no-lynching in the bud, giving the mafia a free kill is too much to pay for a cop investigation. Lister emphasizes in the post that no-lynching is somehow not acceptable to the mafia who seeks to get a townie lynched when I'm pretty sure they'll take either. 'A 1 in 22 chance to lynch VI is very bad, let's definitely not take a 3 in 22 chance of getting mafia.' My translation of his no lynch excuse in that post is that he doesn't want his side taking a 3 in 22 chance of losing a member. He then says we have plenty of lynches as we have more players and less mafia than the last game (we don't have that many lynches when we take into account we'll make mistakes.). He makes a point about Goltar mistakenly thinking the VI would win if killed, a pro-town moment in an anti-town post. He makes some circular arguments about why Jaago and goltar responded first on day 1 (this doesn't mean anything by the way). I really do wonder why goltar know special things about w_m's role, but I'm guessing it's not cop related from some of the votes he's been throwing around. In his address to skoolbus he summarizes that the mafia as a whole was inactive (not necessarily true). There may be other reasons that night 1 was so long, some of them definitely meaning bad things for the town.
Post 212.
He begins to characterize me as a VI (or failing that a mafia definitely! /sarcasm). Is there some reason the town shouldn't be active, I'm just wondering. The reason a cop identifying town night roles would be helpful is that since roles are not revealed upon death, there is no other way to trust the cop other than another role confirming the cop's information. In any other scenario a mafia can give the same information, and if they can find townies (good chance), there will be no way to dispute mafia claiming to be cops. I'm not going to trust the cop unless some method of proving the claim is provided.
Post 252.
Cygnus is found to be suspicious for bandwagoning (remember Cygnus is now on the least suspicious section of Lister's list [it feels funny typing that]). He wants to wait on lynching RK and although probably not so mentionable, killing RK at night. There's 3 reasons behind that, only one points to RK being mafia.
Post 255
He's now calling both me and RK VI's, yet he hasn't applied the wait on it philosophy to me, wonder why that is. So, now he's playing the "They're both acting like VI's, so one must be a mafia!" game. Seems pro-town at first, but I'm not sure it is.
His edits 2 and 3posts later renders post 255 more neutral in that he thinks RK is the real VI. Thus he implies I'm mafia...
Post 277
This is where the "people who act like idiots but then don't get murdered can only be one thing: mafia!" reasoning comes into play. If people perceive that others are "acting like the VI", it's a defense that won't get them lynched, and so it works for both sides. You can't make a mafia/townie decision off of it. I'm not the village idiot for those of you who haven't been paying attention. I'll get to the comment about my day 2 vote when I make the case for my day 3 vote further down this post, bear with me.
Post 323.
Lister asks for RK and me to give our opinions each other since we seem to him to be village idiocy candidates. I'll restate my view of RK here. The village idiot has more to gain by acting like mafia than by acting like an idiot, so I don't think RK is an idiot. He's more likely to be town than mafia, and I have thought of a reason besides him being mafia or his pre-game post for him to have acted that way for so long. Also, I tried to reference his 'numerology' post several times. I suggest you give it a
look.
As for Lister's argument that I would procrastinate and not murder day 1,
surely that had taken place when I made my list and noticed muzzz's lack of PM reading.
Post 330.
He saw my post early in the thread about how long past hours we could expect night 1 to last and realized the argument in 323 had been invalidated. Good for him, actually.
Post 354.
On the basis of one night-kill he decides RK must be mafia since he didn't get murdered, making the invalid assumption that the mafia's first priority is to take out the VI. He makes a circular argument to reach this conclusion and is now somehow willing to risk a lynch on a possible VI that he could not in 193.
Post 362.
Translation: Don't worry about the cop, doctor, vigilante, or masons. We've got them covered in fact. Six feet under! [were Drixx and Jrla candidates for VI?, no, they must have been targeted for some other reason]
Post 365.
Worthless proposal. More notable is that he is asking for other opinions before making a decision. Although I'm not a saint on this one, it's a bit suspicious to use someone else's opinions to make a vote.
Post 386.
The 8-ball is a reference to RK's numerology post.
Post 407.
He somehow works out that a suspected VI, if not murdered at the first opportunity, could not possibly be the VI (assumes mafia priorities). I gave my reasons for Jaago and muzzz when I voted for each of them, but for the public benefit, I restated my case for muzzz in
409.
This post set off a lot a bells and whistles.
This post has a lot to do with my silent vote for Lister today. This post is suspiciously similar to 193, the reason I voted him yesterday, and I link relevant posts from other players.
First vote on Jaedhann.
Cygnus's the story on Jaedhann post.
He says that he's suspicious of Jaedhann, (only after a bunch of votes went on him), and then applies the VI/mafia accusation to him, that's 3 people it has been used on. There aren't 3 VI's. I'll leave the the all the idiots are actually mafia proposition to the readers (it's BS in my opinion).
If you're going to copy goltar's argument against Thyiad, give credit where it is due.
His suspicion list is pure blasphemy. He does not trust me, yet 4 people I have voted (Jaago, muzzz, Moar, and Jaedhann) as well as RK and I (remember he thinks we're idiots/mafia) are on the 'highly suspicious' list. To top that off, 3 people I thought were townies are on the 'least suspicious' list (jrlafrance, xduckster, water_moon). I would think someone who believes I am mafia would know not to place any value in my opinions of players. This is something that should be condemned. This post should be condemned. It's all about trying to agree with the townies and it does not put forward his own ideas for the sake of hunting the mafia, this post is entirely against the town.
He does the same sort of activities in post 193: agree with townies, little to aid the mafia hunt.
He expected Jrlafrance's death to happen, hmm... It's certainly possible, but why did he expect it (More on that to come in the jrlafrance post).
Post 504.
As I recall, the only reasoning needed to vote someone is that you think they are mafia. Reverse psychology is a matter of townies outthinking themselves, not a mafia tell. Lister then insinuates goltar and water_moon would violate the game by colluding (a mod post just got entered...). Oh yeah, Thyiad's another one of those idiot/mafia things... Oh yeah, why do the town's kill suggestion of killing the idiot when you think you have the doctor, cop, or vigilante pegged. The mafia doesn't just want to avoid losing, it wants to win. The idiot is not their biggest problem.
Sir Lister of Mafia is our biggest problem, he must be hanged until dead.
