OT: The SPF Mafia Game Round Three

[Rashiminos]

Rash - Pretty much the same as before. There were some inconsistencies in his "monster" (e.g., at one point he talks about me having to send a PM on night 1, later he mentions me having to read one), but I'm willing to chalk those up to overeagerness. I too would have trouble writing that much without making a small mistake :grin:

I wonder if these two posts ring a bell...

*waves goodmorning to ALL the nice citizens of salem*

Well, at least I'm glad to see those awful rumors of an impending murder haven't proven right so far.

I liked that table Rashiminos made. Didn't expect anyone to go so in-depth on the first day. But I also have to agree with jrlafrance that I'm not entirely positive if it's fair to everyone.

At first I had trouble believing the mafia would forgo a killing by choice. But while catching up with this thread I noticed that the "why a quiet start" question is being asked more often than the "who to lynch" question. I'm still not sure if it was intentional, but it does seem to be working...

(and yes, I was too slow with the PM. Blaming Durf)

*sigh*
I suppose my wording could've been better, but all I was trying to say is that I was slow in catching the fact that the game was already underway.

You said yourself that you were slow to PM, and later you corrected yourself and said that you did not know the game had started already. Therefore you hadn't read your role PM. Whose being inconsistent again?

 

[Rashiminos]

If you want my opinion: those who are screaming and shouting and generally posting heavily are most likely to be mafia. Throw enough smoke around and it'll hide the truth. The mis-direction in this thread makes Swindon's Magic Roundabout look like the example of clarity.

Go back and read the number of people pointing in half a dozen different directions. I've been consistant from the start, so why am I going to post six time a page saying the same thing? I changed my vote ONLY to ensure *someone* was lynched. Wasting lynching opportunities the way we have been basically means we might as well just hand the town over to the mafia.

Let's try this again ...

Vote Goltar

As he's high up in the possibles a few posts up, perhaps a few others will actually vote for him this time.

First day she suggests lynching water_moon and goltar...

On the Second day she votes RK, then me, and next Jaedhann.

Her last post is the first time she has voted goltar, who was initially suspicious of her.

Thyiad: consistency under review....

 

[Rashiminos]

You said yourself that you were slow to PM, and later you corrected yourself and said that you did not know the game had started already. Therefore you hadn't read your role PM. Whose being inconsistent again?

The should read "Who is being inconsistent again?"

 

[SiTro]

I think were I in the position of being a mason with my partner lynched/killed, explicitly revealing myself as such to the town would be one of the last things I would do. Therefore I'm happier to believe W_M when she says she isn't a mason.

Assorted thoughts:

xduckster: Probably townie, the 'mistake' has caused some extra suspicion, but I'd wager less than in other people.
lister: I thought he was safe, but that's a fairly epic argument by Rashiminos. Needs more thought.
RK: Still think he's fairly safe, but keeping an open mind. If RK is mafia, then that leads me to think Jaago probably is too.
Jaago: See above. If RK is mafia then I think he is too. If not, less suspicion. This reminds me of using binary variables...
Moar: Hasn't really alarmed me since the 'slip-up'. Hasn't really done much for a while from what I've seen. May have a PM requiring role.
TouchOfInsanity: Seems to have been laying low. Sint's post up above does point out some interesting themes running through his posting though - seems slightly reminiscient of how Jaedhann was posting.
Thyiad: Could be a mafia trying to avoid notice, could be roleplaying a grumpy townsfolk who resents having to talk to the neighbours and casts votes for lynching to keep herself amused. Seriously, not sure how to judge this as she hasn't put much information forward. Best course of action is probably to sit back and see how she handles this inconsistency claim.

 

[skunkbelly]

Go back and read the number of people pointing in half a dozen different directions. I've been consistant from the start, so why am I going to post six time a page saying the same thing? I changed my vote ONLY to ensure *someone* was lynched. Wasting lynching opportunities the way we have been basically means we might as well just hand the town over to the mafia.

I worry about this a little. Not the part about wanting to lynch someone: that's necessary, as I've pointed out several times now. But to change one's vote just to lynch someone worries me. Why? Because when I was mafia in the first game, this is exactly the way I operated: vote at first, then wait, and if need be, change my vote to push someone innocent into the fire.

However, I also agree with Thyiad, that the ones who have my attention the most at this point (as possible mafia) are the three people who can't seem to stop talking: RK, Rash and Sint. One wonders if they're trying to bury suspicion with words. So while I'm going to continue to watch Thyiad closely, I think the right thing for me to do at this time is vote Rashiminos. I've suspected him since his comments "yesterday," and my choice is made for now.

 

[GoHabsGo]

Once again ... it's one step forward, one step backward. I haven't played the last 2 games but I can easily understand why the mafia won.

There is absolutely no sense of logic or strategy within the town. Seriously, all the mafia needs to do is sit back and let the over-excited townies confuse each others. It's like we're all in a sinking ship and have no clue where the water is coming from. So all we do is say ''Maybe the hole is up front ... but maybe it in the back as well ... actually it might be on the left but this also suggest that it could be on the right!''

We are changing our opinions every day ... we can NOT win by doing this. We need to focus on a group of people and lynch them no matter what. Once we decide on a plan and stick with it for at least 3 days, THEN we can draw some good conclusions.

 

[goltar25]

The missing person was CDRToast, obviously.

Explain. Remember, skoolbus said:

As everyone leaves, a careful observer would notice the peculiar absense of one member of the town...

The key word here is peculiar. Why would CDRToast's absence be peculiar? He was in prison, his presence would have been peculiar. Drixx also shouldn't have been there, as he was already dead at the time. So the missing person should be someone else. Your statement really sets off my suspicion. But my vote still isn't changing.

I really do wonder why goltar know special things about w_m's role, but I'm guessing it's not cop related from some of the votes he's been throwing around.

Check back to the discussion between skoolbus and I in posts 295, 298, 335, 344, and 361 regarding information outside of the game. That should at least explain why I can't say what I know. But I will say this, it's not from water_moon and I telling each other our roles. I have deduced from her reactions to other things that she is not mafia, and I'm willing to say tis with 99.999% certainty. Why not 100%? As anyone who knows me in real life would know, I'm VERY VERY leery of being 100% certain of ANYTHING.

Now, that's been enough of my time this morning, I too have to go to work.

 

[skoolbus1]

Ok guys, we need to try and settle down. This is only a game, no one should be getting hurt, we're all friends here. Also, the thread has grown way too big, I don't want to limit discussion, but I have to. It's too much for some people to read the 10 pages they missed during the 10 hours they've been at work. I have to ask that if you post heavily (you know who you are) you back off a bit. There's no need to reiterate your point twenty times in one day or continuosly brandish your finger at someone.

If anyone has any questions or concerns, please pm me. Thank you.

 

[Sint Nikolaas]

We are changing our opinions every day ... we can NOT win by doing this. We need to focus on a group of people and lynch them no matter what. Once we decide on a plan and stick with it for at least 3 days, THEN we can draw some good conclusions.

Yes. However how will you decide who to kill. You are right that it seems too random if we keep to our own opinions, but how will you come up with something that will ensure mafia kill(s)? Kill of a group based on post count? Kill of a group based on voting? If we agree on a strategy that means the mafia is agreeing too, which means most likely that the strategy someone is setting out is in favor of the mafia. Maybe they lose one, but if that means taking out half the village for free.. then why wouldn't they agree? Also, should we stick to a strategy no matter what happens at night? Don't get me wrong I'd rather have a strategy then not, it is also why I keep score tables etc. so at least there can be some reasoning behind my posts.

For instance you mean we should make 3 lynches in a row and see if that changes what is going on. Do you mean stuff like:
- Kill the top 3 posters.
- Kill the bottom 3 posters.
- Kill the 3 in dead center.
- Kill 3 people who were mostly votehopping.
- Kill 3 people who were bandwagonning most.
- Kill 3 people who made the most insightfull posts.
- Kill 3 people who made the least contribution.
- ... ?

Also I'd like to point out that the town roles haven't really played a role yet (except for confusing us). If the cop or the masons have some good information that would change the game, also if the witness gets hit. That would be perfect. I think quite some of the ''random rambling'' could be explained once we get a solid lead on a mafia.

 

[skoolbus1]

also if the witness gets hit

After doing some snooping, because I couldn't remember who the witness was, I found that there in fact is no witness... I'll be randomly picking one from the list of townies and pming that person. I'm just going to hope it isn't drixx, and if it's Jaedhann than it doesn't matter anyway. You won't know you're the witness, but if you get murdered, everyone else will.

 

[Rashiminos]

Ok guys, we need to try and settle down. This is only a game, no one should be getting hurt, we're all friends here. Also, the thread has grown way too big, I don't want to limit discussion, but I have to. It's too much for some people to read the 10 pages they missed during the 10 hours they've been at work. I have to ask that if you post heavily (you know who you are) you back off a bit. There's no need to reiterate your point twenty times in one day or continuosly brandish your finger at someone.

If anyone has any questions or concerns, please pm me. Thank you.

Ugh... (modkill me now I guess?)

 

[Jaago]

After doing some snooping, because I couldn't remember who the witness was, I found that there in fact is no witness... I'll be randomly picking one from the list of townies and pming that person. I'm just going to hope it isn't drixx, and if it's Jaedhann than it doesn't matter anyway. You won't know you're the witness, but if you get murdered, everyone else will.

So you'll pm that person that s/he isn't the witness, because otherwise s/he would know s/he's the witness, right? :grin:

In all seriousness though, thanks for hinting about too abundant posting, I'm drowning in schoolwork even if it wasn't for this game...

 

[CDRToast]

This is kinda funny, I am really a talkative person in RL, but with little real data to go on, I have a hard time drawing conclusions.

But I said i'd give more of my thoughts so here goes... mostly based on gut reaction to people's posting.

xduckster          Townie
Sir Lister of Smeg Suspicious
Jaago              I think safe, but if he is mafia, Moar is too [URL="http://www.purediablo.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5797725#post5797725"]Link[/URL]
LORD NIKON         Townie
RevenantsKnight    Entertaining Mafia
Moar                Mafia, but maybe it's personal reation to post tone
muzzz               Possible role of some sort, but 50/50 mafia
Rashiminos          makes my head hurt, has made almost 1/4th of all posts Mafia?
Sint Nikolaas        Gut says Mafia, 
TouchOfInsanity   If Sint's dirty, TOI is clean
Cygnus               50/50 torn 
Thyiad                Townie
skunkbelly            Townie
SiTro                  Dunno...
GoHabsGo           Gut says mafia
goltar25             Townie
Brak                   Townie
water_moon         Townie
CDRToast            Townie (of course)

yeah, that's more mafia than are possible... but as i re-read everyone's posts, that's how I was struck.

 

[Brak]

I worry about this a little. Not the part about wanting to lynch someone: that's necessary, as I've pointed out several times now. But to change one's vote just to lynch someone worries me. Why? Because when I was mafia in the first game, this is exactly the way I operated: vote at first, then wait, and if need be, change my vote to push someone innocent into the fire.

However, I also agree with Thyiad, that the ones who have my attention the most at this point (as possible mafia) are the three people who can't seem to stop talking: RK, Rash and Sint. One wonders if they're trying to bury suspicion with words. So while I'm going to continue to watch Thyiad closely, I think the right thing for me to do at this time is vote Rashiminos. I've suspected him since his comments "yesterday," and my choice is made for now.

I don't know what it is skunkbelly, but I really want you to be mafia for some reason. This post isn't helping. First you give a very rational argument as to why Thyiad should be considered suspicious. Then you say, but I'm still voting for Rash (someone that a lot of people already suspect). This is exactly what you did while you were playing the mafia in round 1. Make a very valid claim to show contribution, but vote for someone most likely to get bandwagoned.

Now I don't know whether or not to vote for you or Thyiad as she would have had my vote for the exact reasons you describe. She's basically saying anyone hunting for clues must be mafia. There's a very clear trend that the people that over-analyze things are almost always on the towns side.

Anyway, I've got to partially agree with GoHabs. His method is off, but we do need a less restrictive way of picking our lynch victims or else it will be two weeks for each day phase.

I propose we each submit three names that we believe are most suspicious. Those names will be tallied amongst the town members and then the top three of that set will be the only people considered for lynching. I need to calculate how this may weigh in the mafias favor. But it might be worth a trial day to see if we can agree on it.

As of now my list includes Thyiad and Skunkbelly not sure who the third will be.



Also skoolbus thanks for telling us now about the witness. I had been attributing a lot of odd behavior to the witness role, I definitely need to go reassess those individuals now.

 

[TouchOfInsanity]

Sorry to say folks but I've recently lost internet at home for an indefinte length of time and there is absolutely no way possible for me to catch up with all the posts that occur in a day in my short break at work.

Skool: Feel free to replace me if you need to. I haven't read anything in the last... 20 or so pages so I'm at a loss as to what's going on.

Good luck townies! :thumbsup:

 

[CDRToast]

Well that explains one person's behavior...

 

[skunkbelly]

@ brak: I thought of your objection when I posted, but followed my gut anyway. "Yesterday" I had suspicions about Rash, but voted for RK because I suspected him more. Today I have suspicions about Thyiad, but deeper worries about Rash, hence my vote a few posts ago. So I've definitely got a pattern going. I guess the townsfolk will have to decide for themselves whether it is nefarious or not.

 

[skoolbus1]

Haha, I guess I did contradict myself, the witness won't know who they are, I didn't pm anyone.

Also, if someone would like to join, you can replace Touch. Please pm me.

 

[Jaago]

I propose we each submit three names that we believe are most suspicious. Those names will be tallied amongst the town members and then the top three of that set will be the only people considered for lynching. I need to calculate how this may weigh in the mafias favor. But it might be worth a trial day to see if we can agree on it.

Why are all of you guys making these propositions that would ruin the fun out of the game. At least I think that it is a lot better to end a day without knowing at all what will happen tomorrow (in the context of this game, ofc). Besides, the information that we have is still quite abysmal.

C'mon, play the game as it was intended to be played. :wink3:

In case I didn't make myself clear, I will not submit any names.

 

[GoHabsGo]

Play the game as it was intended to be played? Winning is what this game is about and if you're a townie, you'll do it at all cost.

Vote : Jaago

p.s if he's not mafia, he's the VI going against the flow in hope of being lynched today...