OT: The SPF Mafia Game Round Three

This morning SiTro was lying around outside the tavern. Police tried to rouse the intoxicated man, but had no luck. It appeared as though he was dead. A blood test however, determined that it was not alcohol that killed him, but cyanide.

As you can see, goltar25 has been detained, so with seven alive, it takes four to lynch. Begin day nine.

Alive (7)
Sir Lister of Smeg
Jaago
muzzz
Rashiminos
skunkbelly
GoHabsGo
water_moon

Dead (14)
Drixx (car accident)
Jaedhann (burned at the stake)
Jrlafrance (teddy bear accident)
RevenantsKnight
TouchOfInsanity
Brak (train accident)
LORD NIKON (roughed up)
xduckster (lion attack)
Sint Nikolaas (beheaded)
Cygnus (cement accident)
Thyiad (lynched)
CDRToast (shot)
Moar (pulled apart)
SiTro (poisoned)

In Prison (1)
goltar25
 
Why are you so sure?

(I guess it's not as bad as some games of mafia I play, where the majority vote is an instant lynch, so I don't have to be worried about 1 townie making a mistake and 3 mafia speedlynching.)
 
Oh man, and I thought we'd gotten the crooked detective ages ago. I suppose I have to tip my hat to the mafia for using that role very, very well.

So now we're left with something to consider...

1. Is Goltar in jail because he is innocent? If so, there might be only one mafia member, that person being the detective. Or there might be more than one mafia member, and only one is the detective.

2. Is Goltar in jail because he is mafia, and is being protected suddenly since we are so close to the finish? If so, there is one other living mafia member, and that person is the CD.
 
I think goltar's imprisonment has something to do with how many mafia are left. If all 3 are alive, they're trying to win now and imprisoning a townie gives them the best chance to do so. If they have to take another lynching after this, goltar may be mafia and they may be trying to throw us off. I somehow doubt the crooked detective would start imprisoning people if s/he was the only one left, so we probably have 2-3 mafia to deal with.
 
For some reason I'm feeling like a grammar nazi, and I have decided the end of my last post should read "so we probably have to deal with 2-3 mafia."
 
So, uh, Muzzz...

I've been re-reading day 1 with some fresh eyes, and I've got a simple question...

Have anything you want to tell us?
 
I'm not sure if it would be smart for the mafia to detain someone if all three are still alive. But that's probably not what you had in mind. To be honest, your question confuses me.
 
Well if all 3 are alive, and only 7 of 8 players can vote, then it only takes 4 people instead of 5 to lynch, and more importantly only one townie making a mistake. It makes a great deal of sense, all they would have to do is lead one townie astray.

However, that's not what I wanted to hear from you...

I'll rephrase.

Muzzz, do you have anything you want to tell us, about yourself?
 
Okay, I've been reading day 1 and applying some hindsight.

Rashiminos: This guy is a blind fool who doesn't read reason, else he wouldn't have missed what Drixx was trying to tell him. The mafia wanted us to believe they were inactive. It seems like a town power role screwed up the first night and didn't do anything, but maybe s/he didn't think s/he needed to do anything.

So let's present a list of suspicion through day 1, from most likely to be mafia to most like to be mafia. Then I'll summarize posts relating to each case besides mine and goltar's case, since I can't vote for him or myself today.

Code:
Jaago                        Mafia
GoHabsGo                       ^
Sir Lister of Smeg             |
muzzz                          |
water_moon                     |
skunkbelly                     |
goltar25                       |
Rashiminos                 Townie

Jaago: Let's look at posts 76, 85, 121, 160, and 227. He made the first post after skoolbus's day message, and he's already trying to distance himself from the mafia's play by calling it insane and implying he wouldn't make that mistake. Too over-the-top. He refers to lynching as a merry and festive activity, which doesn't seem like a good attitude when the person being lynched is more like to be town than mafia, and the person could be the VI. Happiness over lynching is a mafia trait. He finds first-timers unlikely to be mafia, when a)first-timers might have been inactive, and b)there were plenty of first-timers. It seems to me he's trying to distance himself (first-timer) from the mafia. Post 160 is really off the wall. He refers to several players as "obvious townies," which I don't think is accidental word choice. Even he gets called on it a later day, he doesn't need to worry about it if he is mafia since he would already know townies he could pick out. Post 227 is a convenient vote-change using the obviously fraudulent VI/mafia theory (RK was mafia killed when people wouldn't be sold on it).

To be fair, post 172 makes a couple of good observations. The town should be able to make better-than-random lynch decisions, and the town only wins by lynching.

GoHabsGo: Posts 106, 127, and 155 include most of the posting done by him. He distances himself from "illogical" mafia play and then becomes overly optimistic about the town's ability to corner the mafia. This distancing seems to have the normal and not overly enthusiastic quality. He fully discredits the possibility that the mafia purposefully did not kill anyone on night one. He then votes no-lynch without a reason, even though he suggested we make a list of inactives and vote one out, that's just damn fishy.

Sir Lister of Smeg: Posts 120 and 193 are suspicious, but upon re-read posts 89, 128, 212, and 252 are very pro-town. Post 120 indulges in a little too much circular argument, and just doesn't go anywhere. He makes a false argument in 193 between posting early on a day and whether that signals innocence (the contents of the first post need to be examined, especially if the mafia gets congratulated or some tries to separate himself or herself from a "bad" mafia decision). He also plays both sides of lynch/no-lynch. In post 89 he makes a good case for the mafia to nightkill the idiot, which saves the town a more important role. With a little care, the idiot is like a regular townie in the voting process and a nightkill that is almost gladly given. It's a shame our no-lynches gave the mafia reason to believe the idiot wouldn't be lynched for awhile. In post 128 he makes the effort to examine all the possibilities for muzzz, which him and others failed to do in the later biased VI/mafia shell game. He points out than people who are not cop/mafia/idiot have no good reason to impersonate the cop. He makes a comment about the justification of inactivity, but seems to overlook those overstressing the inactive mafia angle.

muzzz: After re-reading day 1, he seems a lot more townie than he did before, with only post 124 to mar his name. It's not good to congratulate the mafia on their subterfuge: "it does seem to be working.."
Posts like 196, 205, 209, 254, and 258 were quite impressive.
The mafia are trying to blend in, while the idiot is trying to look extremely suspicious without being obvious about it. (Hmm, was one of our lynches really bad, and did the mafia goof in not killing that lynch, only skoolbus can tell! [and the happy idiot]). Avoid circle reasoning, gotcha! Take a player's playstyle into account, roger that. Competent mafia tries to get extra work done with lynches, yes... Don't readily dismiss unconventional strategies... He may fumble the words a bit, but he's running the right plays for the town.

water_moon: Lack of any important post means she was off the radar on day 1, then and now. Hoping her lurking isn't part of her roleplay.

skunkbelly: With posts like 97, 195, and 229, I'm just not seeing anything suspcious. I hope that it continues into the day 2 read. Effectively discusses both arguments (lynch and no-lynch), then goes on to explain why lynching is better.

Disclaimer: These results are from day 1, more reading will be done to see how my hind-sight suspicions will solidiy or change.
 
Oh, and if you thought my other posts were "monsters," then you should consider this one a dragon about to use its breath weapon.
 
Oh, and if you thought my other posts were "monsters," then you should consider this one a dragon about to use its breath weapon.

When I read that I somehow imagined you as the big evil dragon from Breath of Fire 4. Must be the colors of your avatar :grin:

I don't think I can answer your question though.

But if you can spare the time it might be interesting to hear how goltar fits into your day 1 review. Even if we can't vote for him directly his innocence (or lack thereof) is still worth considering.



 
It is very interesting to me that the two people I am most suspicious of at this point are at the bottom of Rash's list in his "monster" post above (Rash and Goltar).

Either I'm wildly wrong, or all of Rash's long-winded posts are a smokescreen.
 
Why I am at the bottom of my list is obvious, I can't vote for myself, and there's not much point in suspecting myself. As for goltar25, I'm leaning on voting strength being the reason he was imprisoned, in which case he would be town.
 
I don't see why you bring back day 1 argument Rash. Unless you are mafia yourself, I don't see why you would assume the mafia was inactive on purpose.

As for me being a no-lynch voter the 1st night, I've explained many times I didn't quite understand the logic of the game and at that time, figured it wasn't smart for us to lynch without any information. As I mentionned later on in the game, I quickly realised this game revolves around wild guess and random accusations so I could THEN see the logic behind a day 1 lynch.

My feeling right now his that you're the Crooked cop, you sent Goltar25 in jail (who's also part of the mafia with you) and you're trying to make him look like a townie.

Anyhow, I've been on your case since very early in this game and my suspicion is still strong. Can't wait to see the verdict but if by any chance you we're a townie, you've been confusing the town more than helping it.

At last, I'm staying loyal to my strategie which is to target someone you consider a prime suspect and be on his back until he's gone.

Vote Jaago
 
Anyhow, I've been on your case since very early in this game and my suspicion is still strong. Can't wait to see the verdict but if by any chance you we're a townie, you've been confusing the town more than helping it

I can't really disagree with you there, I'm unhappy with my own play in this game.


 
At last, I'm staying loyal to my strategie which is to target someone you consider a prime suspect and be on his back until he's gone.

Vote Jaago

You do realize what it means if you're wrong with me, right?

I can't blame you for being inconsistent, though.

As to why I think Lister is mafia:

I really hoped we'd put a stop to this killings with the deaths of Jaedhan (who looks to have been the mafia cop more and more as no one is imprisoned), Sint, and Thyiad. Right now, I'm a bit at a loss as to who is mafia. You're all suspicious, but some more than others.

I don't buy this. It is just trying to be clever and divert attention. Honestly, is there still someone who really thinks Jae was mafia? His voting patterns are quite mafia-ish, too. And I have a gut feeling.
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Unless GoHabs is mafia, I will be lynched today. It's a shame, really, as it will surely make the town lose the game. Tomorrow our picture should be much clearer if we managed to get a mafia today.



 
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