OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

Jason Maher said:
And Bob: maatiarna is not her real name.:laugh: It's some Maori name that means something to her, but I'm stuffed if I can remember what it means (she was born in the Land of the Long White Cloud).
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I would suggest remembering why it is important or you may be on dish duty for a while .... :laugh:

I don't believe Seedy is non-townie.

Bob isn't in the clear for me, I don't see how anyone would NOT have tried to proted Ray yesterday over Merlin (no offence Merlin but Ray was always going to be a bigger target IMO).

I can't remember how much Naz posted in previous games. Maybe that would give a clue.



 
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Thyiad said:
Bob isn't in the clear for me, I don't see how anyone would NOT have tried to proted Ray yesterday over Merlin (no offence Merlin but Ray was always going to be a bigger target IMO).
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Ray, as a player, is a bigger target given his history, but Merlins role > Rays role IMO. As I said, I guessed wrong.

Thyiad said:
I can't remember how much Naz posted in previous games. Maybe that would give a clue.
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A lot.


 
Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

Jason Maher said:
Merlin: I'm not the Doc. I suspect either Bob is, or else Sint was the Doc all along and trying his best to smokescreen his way out of suspicion for that role. Given my previous statements on the matter, I would have admitted the role by now if I had it.
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The word moron springs to mind. Seems my Merlin filter has now expanded to include Bob. :duh:


 
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At least I'm honest in saying TLDR. :tongue:
 
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Thyiad said:
I would suggest remembering why it is important or you may be on dish duty for a while .... :laugh:
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Wonderful suggestion, but I do have a contingency plan should that horrible scenario eventuate. I'll be using paper plates and plastic knives and forks! :wink3:


 
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I am not in the least offended. I am however concerned that with my seemingly inevitable death tonight, the suspicion is gone from goltar. Goltar states they might have used greed on magicboy. Ok then, lets go with that

What would make Magicboy a more attractive target then any of the following?
- Liquid (claimed townie, reasonably trusted).
- Sint (claimed townie, might have been a cop but the rival mafia couldn't know that, also reasonably trusted)
- Goltar (claimed townie, never a suspect).
- Nazdakka(Claimed townie, not really suspected)

Magicboy neither voted on day 1 nor on day 2. He was listed as suspicious by both Liquid and Sint, both of which were pretty much leading the town the first few days.

It's a commonly known adage to always expect the worst. Don't underestimate our enemies. In my book, Magicboy would be one of the least likely suspects for Greed, seeing as how the town regarded him. Goltar is advocating that the mafia didn't play very clever, and that this is reflected in their poor choice for a Greed victim.

Your defense only makes you more suspicious in my eyes, Goltar. The day MagicBoy was lynched, you voted for thyiad (see post 422, final tally for day 3 by Muzzz). And your vote has been slipped in at the end of every day so far.

So my conclusion?
Unvote : Thyiad
Vote : Goltar25


This is obviously my last day alive, since Bob has claimed doc and also mentioned he has already tried to save me.
So who can be certainly trusted?
- Bob (unless someone counterclaims doc, unlikely)
- Fried (not active, and thus in the clear)
- Me (snoop)

My list of suspects, from most suspicious to least suspicious :
1) Goltar
2) Thyaid
3) Nazdakka
4) Puresummon - His odd voting patterns, once again noticed due to the excessive rereading.
5) Serdash - For lack of posting
6) Maatiarna
7) Jason
 
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friedbananazzzz said:
lukin's death should mean the end of the cops, correct? Do we not get a confirmation from muzzz about the end of a faction, or do we have to wait until the end of the game?
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It's been my intention to let you figure that out for yourselves, until the game ends with only one faction remaining.

Merlin The Wizzard said:
I am still not sure whether voting for yourself counts, thyiad. Muzzz may have said something about that the day before though, I will have to look it up.
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I see no reason to stop Thyiad from voting for herself.

Thyiad said:
Muzzzzzzzzz if you get converted and you're drinking on the same night. Do you still get to 'view' somene and then convert?
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No. If you haven't used your ability during an earlier night, it's lost.

Code: 
Vote #  Voter         Prev votee  votee   
     1  FriedBananaz              Bob     
     2  Maatiarna                 Bob     
     3  Bob                       Naz     
     4  Maatiarna     Bob         
     5  Serdash                   Thyiad  
     6  Jason                     Thyiad  
     7  Thyiad                    Thyiad  
     8  Merlin                    Thyiad  
     9  Merlin        Thyiad      Goltar

Thyiad  3  
Bob     1  
Naz     1  
Goltar  1

Not voting:
Goltar
Maatiarna
Naz
PureSummon

I am intensely tired, and not as thorough at the moment as I'd like to be. It's probable that this is reflected in the tally above.



 
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I am still showing up on people's radars as possibly-quite suspicious, and I think at this point in the game I will stay there based on faulty logic early on and a late drinking claim on someone who we knew would be out. However, I have already given my defense a couple of times. I will withhold from defending myself unless someone has specific questions, as I think it detracts from our goal here and you either believe me or you don't at this point.

As to the remaining EotF, I am strongly suspicious of Dash. People seem willing to let his lack of posting and odd voting patterns go unchecked, but I would hate to lose the game, or even be NKed, by someone we let get of so easily. However, I am willing to go with the town and place a vote for someone that has a chance of getting lynched today. It seems that Thy and Goltar both have 2 votes at the moment. I am in class right now, so I do not have my notes with me, but I will look at them when I get home and see where the town stands at that point and cast my vote at that point.
 
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Merlin The Wizzard said:
What would make Magicboy a more attractive target then any of the following?.
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- Nazdakka(Claimed townie, not really suspected)
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Nazdakka was suspect on Day 1 due to his plan to drink and cover with the Doc. Some people thought it was a good plan and didn't suspect, others thought it bad and him suspicious because of it. I don't think he'd have made an attractive target to convert.

I'm not saying he's less suspect than goltar25, though. Once again you make a good point about goltar. We'll see how he responds.


 
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unvote Thyiad
vote goltar25
 
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@Merlin: Thanks.

The claimed power roles should be considered clean - the scenario where one could be an EotF is highly unlikely. Also, anyone who gave us new information after night 2 is clean, basically meaing that Maartiarna is fine.

So we can trust...
Bob
Merlin
Maartiarna.

I'd written out a longish post on this, but then it occured to be that I was basically duplicating Merlin's long post. Goltar and Thyiad were good Greed targets by virtue of their spotting EotF early on in the game. I wasn't a very wonderful target, but my posting did get less heavy at around the right time. Everyone who I haven't mentioned is some flavour of 'maybe' - no obvious reason to recruit them or suspicious posting, but still possible.
 
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Oh yes, given the day might end before I'm home again...

Vote goltar25
 
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Vote: goltar25

I do not have any analysis on this that no one has mentioned yet. I agree that we are most likely dealing with someone turned by greed and early power users seem the best choice.
 
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Well, would you look at that. Bang, bang, bang, bang. Like a bit of machine gun fire, goltar is in the boiling pot. Thyiad survives (again). No wonder she carries on like a pork chop, it is very effective at avoiding being lynched.

To be honest, the evidence against everyone who is left is fairly circumstantial - the only way we'll catch the crim is knocking off the suspects one by one, unless Merlin somehow survives tonight and can shed some new light.

Thyiad's vote makes perfect sense, and we know fried is clean, but why the sudden enthusiasm with no explanation from both Naz and Pure? They must know something I don't if they can ignore Thyiad but jump all over goltar at the drop of a hat.

Now since my change of vote was designed purely to guage a reaction:

unvote goltar

I cannot for the life of me see what makes goltar so much more guilty looking than Thyiad. The wight of evidence is about the same - Thyiad is in the firing line for people disappearing after attacking her, goltar for the suggestion by Merlin that he would be the perfect greed target. I must add Naz is in the firing line for his seeming change of post style. The evidence is equally wieghty - or not - against all 3 in my opinion, while I'm still unconvinced by the easy claims from Pure and Serdash.

I wonder what the response would have been if I'd jumped ship to Naz instead of goltar, which I was also considering?

I will definitely be back on before day's end, so one of Naz, Thyiad, goltar, Serdash or Pure can look forward to my vote. I'm now in the position of not overly caring who gets lynched next, as I said barring Merlin's miraculous survival tonight, we're in a position of knocking people off one by one until we catch the crook, and hoping that by sheer dumb luck they don't turn out to be the 5th choice.
 
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Hmmm....if the suspicion level should be the same for both Thyiad and goltar, and you think that we are just going to have to knock people off one by one, then why does it really matter who we vote for here. I am certainly not ignoring Thy, but the pendulum was swinging towards Goltar when I checked back in. I believe I said earlier that I was deliberating between Goltar and Thy, and that I would vote for one when I got back depending on which way the town seemed to be going. So I log back on and the town is going for Goltar, so I follow suit.

Anyhow, honestly after 630+ posts I grow a little weary of keeping up. I hope we wrap this up soon, as I am going out of town for spring break.
 
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Also, Jason, my apologies if you get an annoyed tone out of my last post. I am very tired as between school and job interviews in other cities I have been run ragged this week. You have been one of our best posters in this game.
 
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@Jason: What's the difference between Thyiad and Goltar? Not a great deal in my book either. Goltar's a slightly better target for greed, but Thyiad's aggressive wierdness is either a good or bad sign depending on your POV. Me? Yeah, I was quiet for a bit. Is that a sign that I was recruited? Could be, relies on me being a bit dim, but I can see the argument. Given I know it's wrong (for whatever that's worth), it seems sensible to reverse-engineer the EotF thoughts at the time we think Greed was used, which points at Thyiad and goltar. Someone wants to lynch Thyiad instead? Fine by me.

This situation feels a lot like the end of Drixx's game. We have some people we trust, we have a longer list of suspects, and we have to pick the right person from the suspects list before the clock runs out.
 
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Jason Maher said:
Well, would you look at that. Bang, bang, bang, bang. Like a bit of machine gun fire, goltar is in the boiling pot. Thyiad survives (again). No wonder she carries on like a pork chop, it is very effective at avoiding being lynched.

To be honest, the evidence against everyone who is left is fairly circumstantial - the only way we'll catch the crim is knocking off the suspects one by one, unless Merlin somehow survives tonight and can shed some new light.

Thyiad's vote makes perfect sense, and we know fried is clean, but why the sudden enthusiasm with no explanation from both Naz and Pure? They must know something I don't if they can ignore Thyiad but jump all over goltar at the drop of a hat.

Now since my change of vote was designed purely to guage a reaction:

unvote goltar

I cannot for the life of me see what makes goltar so much more guilty looking than Thyiad. The wight of evidence is about the same - Thyiad is in the firing line for people disappearing after attacking her, goltar for the suggestion by Merlin that he would be the perfect greed target. I must add Naz is in the firing line for his seeming change of post style. The evidence is equally wieghty - or not - against all 3 in my opinion, while I'm still unconvinced by the easy claims from Pure and Serdash.

I wonder what the response would have been if I'd jumped ship to Naz instead of goltar, which I was also considering?

I will definitely be back on before day's end, so one of Naz, Thyiad, goltar, Serdash or Pure can look forward to my vote. I'm now in the position of not overly caring who gets lynched next, as I said barring Merlin's miraculous survival tonight, we're in a position of knocking people off one by one until we catch the crook, and hoping that by sheer dumb luck they don't turn out to be the 5th choice.
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Jason, we need a plan. The question is, do you think the last surviving member of the mafia was an original mobster, or turned by Greed? I have already explained my beliefs on this issue. I have further detailed who of the likely Greed suspects rank high.
I have further on pointed out some inconsistencies in the posts/voting patterns of goltar. If I am wrong about Goltar, I will die tonight. Fine. Next on the suspect list is Thyiad, and she won't escape that time. You are right. Just make a plan, and stick to it. Your suspect list coincides with my suspect list, that's a bonus at least :P

And good luck with them paper dishes :P


 
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