OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

maatiarna said:
2 In regards to starting distancing myself from NacRuno, I never associated myself with him in the first place if you go over my previous 8 posts you will see that I have only said that he could be a townie BUT he was still a person of interest to me!!!!!
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Which is a perfect way to say ''I told you so'' no matter if he turns up town or anti-town.



 
Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

NacRuno said:
What i learned from muzzz through my questions is that the bad cop ability is used as follows. The cops give muzzz a statement like "using the bad cop ability: make Lister's death seem as a rival mafia" at a night. Then their request is transfered to muzzz, it will take place no matter how or when the death takes place. Which also means that Lister will die a rival mafia no matter if he is a regular towny, has a power role or or is a rival mafia in truth. Therefore my theory suggests that Liq and his gang decided on choosing a victim and used their ability like i have said. Then Liq insisted on Lister being killed due to him seeing him via drinking. If lister is lynched that day he is displayed as a rival mafia and if he is killed another day he still dies as a rival mafia giving Liquid the better trump of saying "I've told so". Therefore this theory doesn't rely on Lister being an actual mafia in any way. The fact that Lister actually being a rival mafia also does not mean this theory is wrong, it was just much less likely. If my theory is true, then you can see that Liq has increased the chance of him being a regular towny to a great extent. And using the trust he has erned even now he is pointing out the possible mafia candidates to follow. My plan is not based on a guy claiming to have used drinking ability, it is more based on the fact that Liq's posts are over insistive, over hasty and in a way all are written with the object of leading others to a single direction. His further claims have just decreased his reiability in my opinion therefore i am still behind my initial vote.
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@ Merlin. I could't put it in better words. I went with the lynchtrain on day one to get a lynch in. Better then nothing at day one, and i didn't care who. Day one lynches are always random. I started drinking at night two and stated my find of that night asap, so the town would know.

I still get the feeling that we are played by L_E and that thy is in on it aswell. I stand with my vote.



 
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@NacRuno - Your reply says nothing you haven't said before. It's gratifying that you noticed my explanation poking holes in your own deliberations, but just shrugging them aside by saying : 'Each plan has it's flaws' frankly seems a bit incredulous.

All we know is that Liquid pointed out Lister was up and about on day 1, and Liq claims to have spotted him. He accused him of being mafia, and lo and behold, he turns up as mafia. And this, then, turns up as suspicious exactly why?
Jason explained it quite well in one of his first posts, Occam razor's aside, the odds are quite high that Liq IS a townie, HAS used his drinking ability, and voted for Lister because he was the one he spotted.
The odds were 3 out of 8 (provided Aman was indeed an undercover cop, something that seems quite likely) that Smeg didn't have a town powerrole. This has all been explained.

You fear liq is steering us? Don't worry, he IS. It's the way he plays this game. Try as I might, I have not seen anything overly suspicious in his behavior, and your wild theorizing isn't about to change that.

@Jaedhann - Fine. You state you drank yesterday night and saw thy. I say it is very convenient for a mafia member to claim a townie role by stating to have used the drinking ability to spot someone who just said they were active last night.

At least thy ventured to bring some new information on the table (mainly that NAcRuno has been active two nights in a roll), something later confirmed by NacRuno.

But if you stand by your vote, rest assured that your explanation did nothing to make me sway mine.
 
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I can barely keep my eyes open right now... I'm about to go to bed and doubt that I'll make it back before the end of the "day", so I've got to vote now.

Yesterday I voted for Smeg because of Liq, and when Smeg admitted to being mafia (and then revealed on death), I began to trust Liq more. However, I'm not used to playing with someone so obviously trying to control everything (this is only my second game) and his enthusiasm made me wary, and I began to doubt him... So for my vote I will listen to him again, especially since I didn't trust the votee to begin with, and everything since my last Unvote hasn't really helped. If for some reason he shows up as a part of the family, Liq will be the first one on my list tomorrow.

Vote: NacRuno
 
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Since Nac seems to be locked up (I haven't seen a vote count, but I am sure we have a majority)

As for the rest, and who to put the focus on next, the most fishy are Jaedhann and Maatiarna. However, Jaedhann is much less likely.

Liq's post about Maatiarna is pretty dead-on. She has been very sketchy regarding Nacruno and seems to be steering the town toward Thyiad (who I don't think is mafia...I'll explain later)

Everyone suspects Jaedhann because he claimed to have seen Thyiad and his lack of posts. The mafia are all going to have to pretend to have used their ability at least once during the game and I think a lot of people are saying that because Jaedhann said he saw Thyiad after she already claimed to have been out was too convenient. This is true, but to me it would have been even more convenient for him to avoid the subject altogether by saying his night ability was "Stay Cautious"

Of course, all of this is moot if he and Maatiarna are working together to get Thyiad killed.

Which brings me to my next person. Thyiad. She is garnering a lot of attention because of her "weird posts" and lack of posting. As someone who just read every single sentence and post of the last 8 mafia games in the last two weeks, I can say that in every game Thyiad has posted like this and has been the subject of accusation. In all cases she was townie, and in one, she was the cop.

Liq also said Nolecub was shady and I don't know why, but I get that feeling too. The problem is that I can't pinpoint it. I went back and read through all of his posts and to me they seemed legit. That being said, every time he posts I think "that is classic mafia"

After a long rambling post, Maatiarna should be the next focus unless of course, something interesting happens during the night.
 
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Let's get this out of the way first:
Vote: NacRuno

Two reasons for the vote:
1) Merlin's analysis poking a rather large hole in the explanation Nac provided
2) I can't fathom why Smeg would claim mafia if Liquid tried to set him up as a crooked cop.

Maybe I'm missing something, but the two reasons above make it pretty obvious that Nac is lying.

@Nac - if, by some chance, you're not lying, you have the satisfaction of knowing that Liq will very likely be lynched the next day.

@Merlin - Glad you signed up for this game. I know you were skittish, you seem to be doing very well. Hope you're having fun.

@Liquid - We aren't all as adept as you must be at making monster posts. It can take time to organize thoughts and make quotes, then re-read to make sure everything is stated correctly. I have no doubt it took Mattie (sorry, I can never spell your name, hope I can shorten it w/o offending) an hour to make that post. A low blow here, in my opinion.

@Mattie - try not to take anything personally in this game. Liquid is pretty good at pushing buttons, but sometimes he pushes buttons that don't need to be pushed. That being said, if you make another monster post, try to do a preview post first so that the page refreshes and you can see if someone else posted while you were typing. (I know you already thought of this and were just happy to be done posting so you could go enjoy the rest of your day :grin:)

@W_M - I'm not sure if your vote on Magicboy is really a vote. It's not in the approved format, although it is bold it's not in the Vote: (person) format. FYI.

Now, my opinions:
Liquid - We'll know tomorrow, won't we? If Nac shows EotF, I will see no reason not to continue to trust him.

Merlin - Playing a good game, as I already said. Trustworthy, IMO.

Thyiad - Let me quote her from the last Community game.
Thyiad said:
Thyiad is always right. We must trust Thyiad.

That is all.
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Don't confuse her eccentric style of gameplay for being one of the bad guys. She's hard to judge, which makes many people leery of her. I guess it takes a few games before you can be comfortable with her style. So far, I trust her.

Sint - Playing Sint's usual game. So far I trust him.

Magicboy - I agree with W_M and Liquid, looking suspicious.

That is all for the moment, everyone else is an unknown in my mind.


 
Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

Any chance of a quick vote round-up please? As in "do I need to vote or we lose a lynch or can I just sit here quietly confused in a corner". Ta.
 
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Puresummon said:
Muzzz- if the goon acts successfully is that revealed the next day?
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Not to the town or the goon. But if he picks someone who actually uses an ability that night, his target will get a PM saying that his ability had been blocked.

water_moon said:
Just how does vendetta work exactly? In the rule set it's a free kill on some one who opened voting on a member of the rivals. But payback would imply that the voted upon had been lynched.

Does it change each day? (ie. they use vendetta on night three baised on who opened voting on day 2) or is it the very first person to ever vote on that member?

And most importantly for seeing if sint's idea could hold water, will we know if a vendetta kill takes place and who it's against?
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Anyone who has ever opened the voting (see previous post for definition) on a rival mafioso can be targeted. There is no need for a lynch (it's the intent that counts), nor is there a time limit on using the ability against a particular voter. A vendetta kill will be presented like any other nightkill. The only way to discover it was a vendetta is by deducing it couldn't have been a regular nightkill.

Merlin The Wizzard said:
NacRuno
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water_moon said:
I'm opening the vote on Magicboy
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Are these supposed to be votes? I'm assuming w_m's is, and Merlin's is not. Keep in mind that it's in your own interest to be extra clear about your votes.
Code: 
Vote #	Voter 		Prev votee	votee
1	Liquid				NacRuno
2	Thyiad				NacRuno
3	Nolecub				NacRuno
4	NacRuno				Liquid
5	Sint				Thyiad
6	Jaedhann			Thyiad
7	Nolecub		NacRuno	
8	Maatiarna			Thyiad
9	Jason				Thyiad
10	Friedbananaz			Thyiad
11	Naz				NacRuno
12	Merlin				NacRuno
13	Friedbananaz	Thyiad	
14	Serdash				NacRuno
15	Merlin		NacRuno		Jaedhann
16	Lukin				NacRuno
17	Ray				NacRuno
18	Friedbananaz			NacRuno
19	Nolecub				NacRuno
20	Naz		NacRuno	
21	Thyiad		NacRuno	
22	Friedbananaz	NacRuno	
23	w_m				MagicBoy
24	Naz				NacRuno
25	Friedbananaz			NacRuno
26	Bob				NacRuno
			
NacRuno		8		
Thyiad		4		
Liquid		1		
Jaedhann	1

Not voting:
Thyiad
Goltar
Magicboy
PureSummon



 
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water_moon said:
I'm opening the vote on Magicboy
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Random vote for me recapping what other people said? This seems like a sloppy townie or mafia to me.

When I recap, it is to say that I agree or disagree with something. Since most of the valid points have already been discussed, what else is there for me to say? I just state what I believe and if what I believe has already been said then so be it. No need to get all excited just because I posted something that someone else already talked about.

And your random vote for me when there are more suspicious people out there seems very odd.

Nevertheless, I'll vote for who deserves to die:
Vote: Thyiad

Couldn't decide between him or Nacruno. Nacruno seems pretty suspicious but the chance that he could be pro-town is still bugging me. Thyiad is just acting suspicious from his posts and his mood towards things.


 
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hm.. I think day will end in about 2.5 hours, I'll make a decent write up in about 2 hours.

thy: it's really crap to make a post last night saying ''I'll read tomorrow'' and make a post like the one above today.

magic, thy's a she.
 
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And you are suspicious too Magic. Your inability to determine gender. :tongue:

I'm still waivering but I can't get over Nacruno being out two nights running. If he's not Mafia, I'm thinking go after Liq.

Vote nacruno
 
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@Sint - yes but if the lynch was locked, there was less pressure to make an urgent determination
 
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First: I would to hear directly from muzzz, and publicly, precisely how the falsify ability operates. Do the bad cops simply specify an individual, and muzzz assigns them a random false allegiance to be revealed, or do they specify an allegiance as well, and if they happen to hit on the player's real allegiance, nothing happens? NacRuno appears to be claiming muzzz told him that the second is true, whereas my earlier analysis relied on the first being true.

Second: I'm taking up Liq's challenge. If he proves to be a wrong about NacRuno, and survives the night, I volunteer to make the opening vote against him.

unvote Thyiad, vote: NacRuno
 
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That's even less of a good argument thy, muzz stated and I even specifically asked him about it, there won't be a majority nor any lynch locking, the person with most votes dies. Be 1 ''more then half'', be it 1.
 
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Thyiad said:
@Sint - yes but if the lynch was locked, there was less pressure to make an urgent determination
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Looking back at the rules, there is no locked lynches this game. Just whomever has the most votes at day's end. Should 2 people tie at the day's end, whomever reached that total first would be lynched.



 
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Jason Maher said:
First: I would to hear directly from muzzz, and publicly, precisely how the falsify ability operates. Do the bad cops simply specify an individual, and muzzz assigns them a random false allegiance to be revealed, or do they specify an allegiance as well, and if they happen to hit on the player's real allegiance, nothing happens?
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The cops specify their target's new allegiance. If it's the same as his old one, nothing happens, except they've used up their ability.



 
Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

I'm writing a long *** post, but I found another reason NOT to lynch nac.

Goltar saw nac outside. Yesterday. Today nac claimed a role. That means he must've been outside yesterday too. Hence goltar spoke the truth. Either that or he's in the same boat with nac, which I wouldn't believe. Which is also why I think nac is telling the truth about being town.

I'm posting this and go back to finishing the novel and post that too.
 
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