OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem
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Sir Lister of Smeg
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Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem
But would then not someone be noticed as having been slightly severely wounded?
But would then not someone be noticed as having been slightly severely wounded?
Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem
Good point Naz. Still, until we know if the doctor can stop both night kills simultaneously, then it's a bit of a moot point.
There is another issue coming up right now. Liquid has claimed to have seen Lister active last night. Lister knows what his role is, and each of the rival groups knows if he is a member of theirs or not. He's obviously not a member of both groups. So why shouldn't one or both of the groups go after him tonight? As it stands, there is a 3 in 8 chance that he's one of our side's power roles. So a 5 in 8 chance that he needs to be lynched. The same goes for the person who's name I have. For that reason, I'm not as sure I want to reveal them just yet. I'd like to see some more opinions on the less discussed people first. If they are generally considered to be in the family, I keep their secret. If it seems more important that they die, I out them. Make sense? I'll be going to work soon, and likely posting again after I'm home, so about 10 hours from now, maybe a little more.
Good point Naz. Still, until we know if the doctor can stop both night kills simultaneously, then it's a bit of a moot point.
There is another issue coming up right now. Liquid has claimed to have seen Lister active last night. Lister knows what his role is, and each of the rival groups knows if he is a member of theirs or not. He's obviously not a member of both groups. So why shouldn't one or both of the groups go after him tonight? As it stands, there is a 3 in 8 chance that he's one of our side's power roles. So a 5 in 8 chance that he needs to be lynched. The same goes for the person who's name I have. For that reason, I'm not as sure I want to reveal them just yet. I'd like to see some more opinions on the less discussed people first. If they are generally considered to be in the family, I keep their secret. If it seems more important that they die, I out them. Make sense? I'll be going to work soon, and likely posting again after I'm home, so about 10 hours from now, maybe a little more.
Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem
First of all, a warning. A few people have tried arguing interpretations of the rules. That just won't do. I can't look into your pretty little heads, so it has to be you who ensures that you comprehend everything. I believe I've been clear enough about what you should do if you are unsure about the rules (check version 1 first, contact me when still in doubt).
You cannot expect me to know how 20+ different people will interpret the rules. And you cannot expect me to repeat everything 20+ times just in case the previous 19 times weren't good enough for someone.
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Correct on both counts. As the first version of the rules clearly state, there will be a guaranteed lynch each day.
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To be honest, I'm a bit dissapointed with the line-up-the-drinkers idea. Whether or not it's a good idea (I have my opinions on that, but sharing those seems a bit unfair :wink3
, does anyone honestly believe there'll be any shred of fun to playing that way? It's pretty much asking for a very slow, very long game.
Either way, I won't shoot it down just yet. If both teams target the same person, the doc can save him from both nightkills. For now. But I can imagine that some people might object to the possibility of spending the first few nights doing nothing but wasting drinking abilities. Anyone who feels the game would not be fun that way should PM or email me about it. If I receive more than a handful of objections I will change the ruling on the doc tomorrow.
EDIT: by "tomorrow", I mean at the start of the next game-day.
Questions?
First of all, a warning. A few people have tried arguing interpretations of the rules. That just won't do. I can't look into your pretty little heads, so it has to be you who ensures that you comprehend everything. I believe I've been clear enough about what you should do if you are unsure about the rules (check version 1 first, contact me when still in doubt).
You cannot expect me to know how 20+ different people will interpret the rules. And you cannot expect me to repeat everything 20+ times just in case the previous 19 times weren't good enough for someone.
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Correct on both counts. As the first version of the rules clearly state, there will be a guaranteed lynch each day.
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To be honest, I'm a bit dissapointed with the line-up-the-drinkers idea. Whether or not it's a good idea (I have my opinions on that, but sharing those seems a bit unfair :wink3
, does anyone honestly believe there'll be any shred of fun to playing that way? It's pretty much asking for a very slow, very long game.Either way, I won't shoot it down just yet. If both teams target the same person, the doc can save him from both nightkills. For now. But I can imagine that some people might object to the possibility of spending the first few nights doing nothing but wasting drinking abilities. Anyone who feels the game would not be fun that way should PM or email me about it. If I receive more than a handful of objections I will change the ruling on the doc tomorrow.
EDIT: by "tomorrow", I mean at the start of the next game-day.
Questions?
Liquid_Evil
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Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem
1) He said that's not enough for him to point a finger at me. There is no reason for a pro-town role to lie the first day like this, but liars need killed ASAP. If he truly was innocent (which he isn't), then he should have flat out called me a liar and thrown a vote my way. He did neither.
2) He lies in his own post. He claims that I blamed two deaths on him without any explanation. I have not once posted in this thread that he specifically killed Zhao or aman. That's a guilty response to my vote if I've ever seen one.
3) He posted a generic negative comment about Naz's plan. He's mafia and doesn't want it to work.
VOTE LISTER.
Also, back to Nolecub.
You need to bold your vote to count.
If he didn't get your vote before, reading his first post into this thread should be a sign for you to do it immediately.Sir Lister of Smeg said:
1) He said that's not enough for him to point a finger at me. There is no reason for a pro-town role to lie the first day like this, but liars need killed ASAP. If he truly was innocent (which he isn't), then he should have flat out called me a liar and thrown a vote my way. He did neither.
2) He lies in his own post. He claims that I blamed two deaths on him without any explanation. I have not once posted in this thread that he specifically killed Zhao or aman. That's a guilty response to my vote if I've ever seen one.
3) He posted a generic negative comment about Naz's plan. He's mafia and doesn't want it to work.
VOTE LISTER.
Because leaving him alive will make him a smokescreen the following day and an easy lynch target. He needs to be removed from the game ASAP. The town cannot rely on one of the mafia groups to do its dirtywork.goltar25 said:
Also, back to Nolecub.
That's a blatant admission to following the pack. Non-thinking sheep behavior (if you're a townie) is poor form. More likely though it's mafia behavior trying to remain in the middle of things.
It's very different and everyone should be able to see that. I saw him last night and therefore have at least the odds on my side. You just have wild first day speculation.
Read more posts.
Logical fallacy. If you were mafia one game, you *must* be mafia this game!
You need to bold your vote to count.
Read my second post.
BobTheWarrior
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Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem
Looks like I'm late to the party.
Although I like Naz's plan to coordinate the townies, and I feel it is within the spirit of the game for the townies to work together (the mafia get to work together, why can't we?), I think it would make for a boring and calculated game. So, if that's what we want to do, okay, and if not I'm okay with that too. Sometimes the random finger pointing and arguing is the best part of the game :grin:.
Although my trust in Liquid_Evil has been shattered after the previous community mafia game, he makes a good arguement and has risked himself early this game. His accused does not seem willing to deny he was active last night, or to give sufficient explanation at this time. I see no reason not to believe him, and if he happens to be pulling the wool over our eyes it would seem to be an easy lynch tomorrow. So:
Vote: Sir Lister of Smeg
Have we ever lynched a 'bad guy' the first day before? Let's hope we can turn the tide early this game.
Looks like I'm late to the party.
Although I like Naz's plan to coordinate the townies, and I feel it is within the spirit of the game for the townies to work together (the mafia get to work together, why can't we?), I think it would make for a boring and calculated game. So, if that's what we want to do, okay, and if not I'm okay with that too. Sometimes the random finger pointing and arguing is the best part of the game :grin:.
Although my trust in Liquid_Evil has been shattered after the previous community mafia game, he makes a good arguement and has risked himself early this game. His accused does not seem willing to deny he was active last night, or to give sufficient explanation at this time. I see no reason not to believe him, and if he happens to be pulling the wool over our eyes it would seem to be an easy lynch tomorrow. So:
Vote: Sir Lister of Smeg
Have we ever lynched a 'bad guy' the first day before? Let's hope we can turn the tide early this game.
Sint Nikolaas
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Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem
Stop trying to argue it. First night kills are random (or a try to set someone up, if there has been something going on pre-game). Easy as that. Probably true for 2nd night and maybe 3rd night kills too. ''Oh my, why did they kill aman?'' Gee who cares, there has been NO game up to that point, NO leads and NOTHING to indicate to pick one above another. Same story for zhao.
Trying to argue the point however is a nice smokescreen to pull up. ''Gee guys, let's look this way for a while so you're at least not looking in another way..''. Also, ''making a silly comment = mafia'' is an OMGUS. You think I go around randomly quoting people and say it's mafialike?
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Thy: 2 anti-town factions, 2 kills, aman's faction targetted zhao, the other faction targetted aman.
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Stop trying to argue it. First night kills are random (or a try to set someone up, if there has been something going on pre-game). Easy as that. Probably true for 2nd night and maybe 3rd night kills too. ''Oh my, why did they kill aman?'' Gee who cares, there has been NO game up to that point, NO leads and NOTHING to indicate to pick one above another. Same story for zhao.
Trying to argue the point however is a nice smokescreen to pull up. ''Gee guys, let's look this way for a while so you're at least not looking in another way..''. Also, ''making a silly comment = mafia'' is an OMGUS. You think I go around randomly quoting people and say it's mafialike?
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Thy: 2 anti-town factions, 2 kills, aman's faction targetted zhao, the other faction targetted aman.
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Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem
@ Liq - My "vote" in the last post was unbolded intentionally. My vote still resides with Naz at the moment. I haven't done a vote count, but if Smeg is lynched and proven to be anti-town, then you will have gained my confidence.
And it is not speculation on my part. I want to know why you were championing Naz's plan, which I believe will not work in the favor of the town.
@ Liq - My "vote" in the last post was unbolded intentionally. My vote still resides with Naz at the moment. I haven't done a vote count, but if Smeg is lynched and proven to be anti-town, then you will have gained my confidence.
And it is not speculation on my part. I want to know why you were championing Naz's plan, which I believe will not work in the favor of the town.
Liquid_Evil
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Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem
~Now back to the Lister issue.
Here's where I stand *currently* regarding people's roles:
Most likely townie: Naz
Probably townie: Sint, Goltar, Jason
NCP: Thyiad (posts need to be of more substance or she needs to die soon)
Likely mafia: Nolecub, lukin
Definite mafia: Sir Lister of Smeg
To win this game, you're going to need to start reading more of the posts.Nolecub said:
It would take a brazen mafia member to announce ~7 posts worth of game exploitation plot in an attempt to stifle their own plans. Also, Muzzz's appearance into this thread should have been a huge clue that Naz is on the level.Liquid_Evil said:
~Now back to the Lister issue.
I haven't been forced into a corner. There was no risk of me being lynched when I came forward (and I still don't have a vote to my name). I'm not trying to get off of any hook.
Not only did he not explicitly state that he wasn't out last night (so any doubters can infer that I am right about that issue), he also makes no hints at a pro-town role in order to save himself from a lynching. Instead his post seems apathetic. There's not a whole lot he can say now after his couple appearances in this thread that could change my mind about his role. He's an idle mafia member pure and simple.
Here's where I stand *currently* regarding people's roles:
Most likely townie: Naz
Probably townie: Sint, Goltar, Jason
NCP: Thyiad (posts need to be of more substance or she needs to die soon)
Likely mafia: Nolecub, lukin
Definite mafia: Sir Lister of Smeg
Liquid_Evil
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Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem
Added Serdash to my list of people that need to die soon.
Added Serdash to my list of people that need to die soon.
Puresummon
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Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem
After reading the discussion that has taken place since my last post, nothing has swayed me from giving Liquid a chance on this one. I do not see what he would hope to gain by revealing this early unless he had some solid info. So in an effort to see where this leads us:
Vote: Smeg
If Liquid is wrong we can deal with that tomorrow. I don't really see any other solid leads we have to go on right now. I still don't believe Naz is anti-town.
After reading the discussion that has taken place since my last post, nothing has swayed me from giving Liquid a chance on this one. I do not see what he would hope to gain by revealing this early unless he had some solid info. So in an effort to see where this leads us:
Vote: Smeg
If Liquid is wrong we can deal with that tomorrow. I don't really see any other solid leads we have to go on right now. I still don't believe Naz is anti-town.
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Not really. See, I don't care if Naz is a townie trying to sell an honest plan, or a bad guy trying to sell you a way to waste your abilities. For all intents and purposes, the squid could've come up with it. The only thing that matters to me is whether or not that plan will interfere with the fun.
There are a few things you could validly infer from my decision. Naz's allegiance is not one of them.
Not really. See, I don't care if Naz is a townie trying to sell an honest plan, or a bad guy trying to sell you a way to waste your abilities. For all intents and purposes, the squid could've come up with it. The only thing that matters to me is whether or not that plan will interfere with the fun.
There are a few things you could validly infer from my decision. Naz's allegiance is not one of them.
friedbananazzzz
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Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem
Regarding the aman-ZY kills, the two have an obvious rivalry, and aman telling his group to NK zhao is no surprise. And after his sneaky playing last round, it's not a suprise that the other group wanted to target aman either. I'm not gonna bother reading into these just yet; maybe when there's fewer players around and more kills have been made we can actually deduce something useful from these kills.
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It was originally just a bandwagon vote, but after more posts by both accuser and accused, I'm going to stand by my vote for Smeg. I'm trusting Liq right now, but if Smeg comes up townie, I'm sure we'll all turn the vote on Liq.
As for Naz's plan, it still has it's holes, but I'll help out to see where it goes. As far as muzzz and others thinking that this could take away some of the fun: Look at all the arguing that's going on now. I'm still having fun reading all this. And the factions still have to do their best to screw it up, so even if it does/doesn't work, it'll still be fun.
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Something else for the townies to keep in mind: if we start a lynch on a mafia member, the cops are going to jump right in on it (if they can lynch-kill an opposing faction member, it's one less NK they have to worry about). So just because someone voted for an outed mafia/cop, doesn't garuantee their ... townie-ism? township? whatever.
Regarding the aman-ZY kills, the two have an obvious rivalry, and aman telling his group to NK zhao is no surprise. And after his sneaky playing last round, it's not a suprise that the other group wanted to target aman either. I'm not gonna bother reading into these just yet; maybe when there's fewer players around and more kills have been made we can actually deduce something useful from these kills.
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It was originally just a bandwagon vote, but after more posts by both accuser and accused, I'm going to stand by my vote for Smeg. I'm trusting Liq right now, but if Smeg comes up townie, I'm sure we'll all turn the vote on Liq.
As for Naz's plan, it still has it's holes, but I'll help out to see where it goes. As far as muzzz and others thinking that this could take away some of the fun: Look at all the arguing that's going on now. I'm still having fun reading all this. And the factions still have to do their best to screw it up, so even if it does/doesn't work, it'll still be fun.
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Something else for the townies to keep in mind: if we start a lynch on a mafia member, the cops are going to jump right in on it (if they can lynch-kill an opposing faction member, it's one less NK they have to worry about). So just because someone voted for an outed mafia/cop, doesn't garuantee their ... townie-ism? township? whatever.
Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem
Family membership.
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The official tally:
Lister - 9
Naz - 2
Thy - 1
Not voting:
Azador
Maatiarna
Magicboy
NacRuno
Lukin
W_M
Goltar
Jason
Lister
Let me know if I missed anything. Those re: title thingies are seriously getting on my nerves.
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If anyone sees Azador, tell him to get his buttocks in here.
Family membership.
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The official tally:
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Vote # Voter Prev votee votee
1 Liquid Lister
2 Merlin Lister
3 Sint Merlin
4 Dash Lister
5 Bananazzzz Lister
6 Jae Lister
7 Thy Naz
8 Merlin Lister Thy
9 Sint Merlin Naz
10 Ray Lister
11 Nolecub Naz
12 Naz Lister
13 Sint Naz Lister
14 Bob Lister
15 PureSummon ListerLister - 9
Naz - 2
Thy - 1
Not voting:
Azador
Maatiarna
Magicboy
NacRuno
Lukin
W_M
Goltar
Jason
Lister
Let me know if I missed anything. Those re: title thingies are seriously getting on my nerves.
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If anyone sees Azador, tell him to get his buttocks in here.
Merlin The Wizzard
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Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem
It's the name of this game fried... Muzz has made it iron clad in such a way there are NO guarantees whatshowever. No cop to sniff out roles. Even voters for the mafia could be from the other faction, and thusly not pro-town at all.
It's the name of this game fried... Muzz has made it iron clad in such a way there are NO guarantees whatshowever. No cop to sniff out roles. Even voters for the mafia could be from the other faction, and thusly not pro-town at all.
Nazdakka
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Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem
Crap. We need a new drinker for tonight. I'm one of those who misinterpreted the rules and didn't realise the abilities had to be chosen before the game starts... so I've got myself lumped with 'Stay cautious'. Muzzz is refusing to fix the ****-up.
Doh.
Volunteers?
PS: At least we've achieved an eventful first day this time :grin:
Crap. We need a new drinker for tonight. I'm one of those who misinterpreted the rules and didn't realise the abilities had to be chosen before the game starts... so I've got myself lumped with 'Stay cautious'. Muzzz is refusing to fix the ****-up.
Doh.
Volunteers?
PS: At least we've achieved an eventful first day this time :grin:
