MF/RF Tournament - Sign-up and Running [by ffs]

Mar 19, 2020
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This tournament has already ended. It was originally posted by @ffs on June 30, 2018.
(link to original thread on diabloii.net)

As a warm-up to the upcoming summer MFO, there was some interest in a tournament combining scoring for elite S&U and rune drops, similarly to the WSK tournament last year. After some discussion in this thread, the following format seemed to be agreeable to most. So here we go!

I. Quick Facts
Start and end date:
14 July (0:00 local time) - 29 July (23:59 local time)
Targets allowed: Level 85 areas, Baal & minions, Nihlathak, Pindle & Co., Lower Kurast, Travincal, Cow level
Time limitation: 20 hour cap per batch; multiple batches allowed
Items scored: Elite S&Us, runes Hel and above
Versions allowed: 1.13+

II. 20h Sets
We run in three categories for 20 hours per batch. Multiple batches are allowed, but a new set can only be started if the previous one is finished.

All time spent in connection with this tournament counts towards the 20h, including e.g. time spent muling in GoMule.

III. Categories
Each player will sign up for and run in one of the following categories:
  • Category 1: Level 85 areas, Pindle+, Cow level
  • Category 2: Baal & waves
  • Category 3: Nihlathak
In addition to the above category of our choice, we can moreover run the following areas, but only for runes (i.e. S&U drops from them do not count).
  • Lower Kurast
  • Travincal
IV. Scoring of Individual Results & Reporting
For each 20h batch, we will count (1) the five highest scoring S&Us and (2) the five highest scoring runes, based on the scoring system below (see VI and VII). If you ran multiple sets, you may only submit the result of one of them. Please PM your results to me immediately after you finished running, including the following information on the submitted batch:
  • Overall S&U score
  • Overall rune score
  • Top 5 S&Us and their respective score
  • Top 5 runes and their respective score
Please do not post any screenshots/other spoilers about qualifiers for the duration of the tournament (anywhere on these forums). You are most welcome and encouraged to post them in the results thread of course!

V. Scoring for Overall Placement
The submitted S&U and rune finds will be scored according to the tables below (VI, VII).
Overall placement is then determined as follows:
  1. Placement in S&U category
    The players with the best 10 submitted S&U scores will be assigned placement points according to this system:

    Code:
    1. 12 points
    2. 10 points
    3. 8 points
    4. 7p
    5. 6p
    6. 5p
    7. 4p
    8. 3p
    9. 2p
    10. 1p

  2. Placement in runes category
    The best 10 submitted rune scores will be assigned points according to the same system as above.

  3. Overall placement
    The points assigned to a given player in both categories under 1. and 2. will be added together. The sum of both categories determines the player's overall placement in the relevant running category.
Say you ran a set in Pits and found 10x Tyrael's Might, but unfortunately your highest five runes were Hels. You will submit this result:

Code:
S&Us:
Tyrael's Might 48.2
Tyrael's Might 48.2
Tyrael's Might 48.2
Tyrael's Might 48.2
Tyrael's Might 48.2

Total: 241

Runes:
Hel 0.5
Hel 0.5
Hel 0.5
Hel 0.5
Hel 0.5

Total: 2.5

You end up finishing first in the S&U category = 12 placement points in S&U category.
You don't manage top 10 in the rune category = 0 placement points in runes category.

The combined score for overall placement: 12 points.

Taken 1:1 from WSK tourney. ;)

Tiebreaker for S&U and rune scoring tables:
1. Higher scoring item/rune in top 5 wins the placement
2. If this fails to distinguish players: Second highest scoring item and so on.
3. If this also fails to distinguish players, they share the same placement

Tiebreaker for final table:
1. player who found higher scoring ITEM wins the placement
2. if highest scoring items are the same for all players, then we check highest scoring RUNE instead
3. if runes are also the same, then we check second highest scoring ITEM
4. if that fails, we check second highest scoring RUNE and so on...

VI. S&U Scoring and Area-Specific Rules
This category includes the following targets:
  • Level 85 areas (drops from the following monsters will not count, however: Baal, his minions, Diablo and the Seal bosses)
  • Pindleskin, Shenk, Eldritch, Thresh or Sharptooth
  • Cow level
You may freely switch back and forth between the targets above. The scoring below is the MFO lvl 85 area scoring table, and the scores will apply for S&U drops in all of the above areas since they share the same rarity ratios. (Though only the level 85 areas can drop all of these items of course.)

Score table:
Code:
Item                              Score
-------------------------------   -----
Aldur's Deception                   3.3
Alma Negra                          9.1
Andariel's Visage                   4.3
Arachnid Mesh                       5.9
Arioc's Needle                      2.3
Arkaine's Valor                     7.8
Astreon's Iron Ward                27.8
Azurewrath                          7.8
Baranar's Star                      3.2
Blackoak Shield                     5.9
Blood Raven's Charge                6.7
Bloodmoon                           3.3
Boneflame                          10.4
Bonehew                             2.3
Boneshade                           7.9
Bul-Kathos' Sacred Charge           3.8
Bul-Kathos' Tribal Guardian         3.8
Cerebus' Bite                      11.0
Cranebeak                           4.3
Credendum                           1.7
Crown of Ages                      10.7
Dangoon's Teaching                  1.3
Dark Adherent                       1.6
Darkforce Spawn                    19.3
Death Cleaver                       9.3
Death's Fathom                     16.8
Death's Web                        27.9
Demon Limb                          2.8
Demon's Arch                        3.3
Demonhorn's Edge                    7.9
Djinn Slayer                        3.2
Doombringer                         5.7
Dracul's Grasp                      5.9
Dragonscale                        14.6
Eaglehorn                           5.7
Earth Shifter                       9.3
Eschuta's Temper                    4.6
Ethereal Edge                       2.5
Executioner's Justice               9.3
Firelizard's Talons                 5.2
Flamebellow                         3.3
Fleshripper                         4.6
Frostwind                           4.6
Gargoyle's Bite                     9.3
Ghostflame                          9.3
Giant Skull                         8.1
Gimmershred                         2.8
Griffon's Eye                      10.7
Griswold's Honor                    9.8
Griswold's Redemption              11.3
Griswold's Valor                    4.3
Gut Siphon                          4.6
Halaberd's Reign                   10.4
Harlequin Crest                     4.1
Head Hunter's Glory                 7.8
Heaven's Light                      9.8
Hellrack                            2.6
Hellslayer                          2.6
Horizon's Tornado                   5.7
Immortal King's Soul Cage           4.3
Immortal King's Stone Crusher       1.0
Jade Talon                          3.0
Lacerator                           4.3
Laying of Hands                     1.4
Leviathan                           5.7
Lightsabre                          2.6
M'avina's Caster                    5.2
M'avina's Embrace                   2.3
M'avina's True Sight                4.3
Mang Song's Lesson                 27.8
Marrowwalk                          5.0
Medusa's Gaze                       5.7
Messerschmidt's Reaver              4.6
Naj's Light Plate                   3.1
Naj's Puzzler                       3.1
Natalya's Mark                      4.3
Natalya's Shadow                    1.7
Nightwing's Veil                    5.7
Nord's Tenderizer                   3.5
Nosferatu's Coil                    6.6
Ondal's Almighty                    2.3
Ondal's Wisdom                      7.8
Ormus' Robes                        3.9
Ravenlore                          14.6
Razor's Edge                        3.6
Rune Master                         3.2
Sandstorm Trek                      3.9
Sazabi's Cobalt Redeemer            1.9
Sazabi's Ghost Liberator            3.1
Schaefer's Hammer                  11.6
Shadow Dancer                      10.7
Shadow Killer                       2.4
Soul Drainer                        6.6
Spike Thorn                         6.6
Spirit Keeper                      14.2
Spirit Ward                         8.1
Steel Carapace                      8.1
Steel Pillar                        9.3
Steel Shade                         6.6
Steelrend                          10.7
Stone Crusher                       4.6
Stoneraven                          6.0
Stormlash                          17.0
Stormshield                         5.0
Stormspire                          9.3
Taebaek's Glory                     3.3
Tal Rasha's Guardianship            3.2
Templar's Might                    10.7
The Cranium Basher                  9.3
The Gladiator's Bane                4.9
The Grandfather                     9.3
The Reaper's Toll                   3.3
The Redeemer                        9.8
Thunderstroke                       4.7
Tomb Reaver                         4.3
Trang-Oul's Girth                   3.2
Trang-Oul's Guise                   3.3
Tyrael's Might                     48.2
Veil of Steel                       5.7
Verdungo's Hearty Cord              4.3
Viperfork                           2.6
Warshrike                           5.7
Widowmaker                          4.3
Windforce                           9.3
Windhammer                          2.5
Wizardspike                         2.3
Wolfhowl                            7.3
Wraith Flight                       4.3
This category includes Baal and the five waves. S&U drops from any other monsters do not count.

Score table:
Code:
Item                              Score
-------------------------------   -----
Aldur's Deception                   4.5
Alma Negra                          8.8
Andariel's Visage                   4.1
Arachnid Mesh                       5.6
Arioc's Needle                      2.2
Arkaine's Valor                     7.4
Astreon's Iron Ward               230.4
Azurewrath                          7.5
Baranar's Star                      3.1
Blackoak Shield                     5.6
Blood Raven's Charge                6.5
Bloodmoon                           3.1
Boneflame                          11.0
Bonehew                             2.2
Boneshade                           7.5
Bul-Kathos' Sacred Charge          32.6
Bul-Kathos' Tribal Guardian        32.6
Cerebus' Bite                      10.6
Cranebeak                           4.5
Credendum                           1.7
Crown of Ages                      93.9
Dangoon's Teaching                  1.3
Dark Adherent                       1.6
Darkforce Spawn                   172.2
Death Cleaver                      76.8
Death's Fathom                    140.9
Death's Web                       231.0
Demon Limb                          2.6
Demon's Arch                        3.1
Demonhorn's Edge                    7.6
Djinn Slayer                        3.1
Doombringer                         5.4
Dracul's Grasp                      5.7
Dragonscale                        19.5
Eaglehorn                           5.4
Earth Shifter                      76.8
Eschuta's Temper                    4.4
Ethereal Edge                       2.4
Executioner's Justice              76.8
Firelizard's Talons                 5.0
Flamebellow                         3.1
Fleshripper                         6.1
Frostwind                           6.1
Gargoyle's Bite                    76.8
Ghostflame                         76.8
Giant Skull                        10.7
Gimmershred                         2.6
Griffon's Eye                      93.9
Griswold's Honor                   94.7
Griswold's Redemption              97.7
Griswold's Valor                   39.8
Gut Siphon                          6.1
Halaberd's Reign                   11.0
Harlequin Crest                     3.9
Head Hunter's Glory                 7.4
Heaven's Light                      9.3
Hellrack                            2.5
Hellslayer                          2.5
Horizon's Tornado                   5.4
Immortal King's Soul Cage          39.8
Immortal King's Stone Crusher       1.0
Jade Talon                          2.9
Lacerator                           4.5
Laying of Hands                     1.4
Leviathan                           6.0
Lightsabre                          2.5
M'avina's Caster                    5.5
M'avina's Embrace                   2.5
M'avina's True Sight               39.8
Mang Song's Lesson                230.4
Marrowwalk                          4.7
Medusa's Gaze                       6.0
Messerschmidt's Reaver              6.1
Naj's Light Plate                   3.2
Naj's Puzzler                       3.2
Natalya's Mark                     38.7
Natalya's Shadow                    1.7
Nightwing's Veil                    6.0
Nord's Tenderizer                   3.4
Nosferatu's Coil                    6.3
Ondal's Almighty                    2.5
Ondal's Wisdom                      7.5
Ormus' Robes                        3.7
Ravenlore                          19.5
Razor's Edge                        3.4
Rune Master                         3.1
Sandstorm Trek                      3.7
Sazabi's Cobalt Redeemer            2.6
Sazabi's Ghost Liberator            3.1
Schaefer's Hammer                  15.3
Shadow Dancer                      93.9
Shadow Killer                       2.3
Soul Drainer                        6.3
Spike Thorn                         6.3
Spirit Keeper                      13.7
Spirit Ward                        10.7
Steel Carapace                     10.6
Steel Pillar                       76.8
Steel Shade                         6.3
Steelrend                          93.9
Stone Crusher                       6.1
Stoneraven                          5.8
Stormlash                          16.2
Stormshield                         4.7
Stormspire                         76.8
Taebaek's Glory                     4.5
Tal Rasha's Guardianship            4.5
Templar's Might                    93.9
The Cranium Basher                 76.8
The Gladiator's Bane                4.7
The Grandfather                    76.8
The Reaper's Toll                   3.1
The Redeemer                        9.3
Thunderstroke                       4.5
Tomb Reaver                         4.5
Trang-Oul's Girth                   4.5
Trang-Oul's Guise                   4.5
Tyrael's Might                    422.5
Veil of Steel                       6.0
Verdungo's Hearty Cord              4.1
Viperfork                           2.5
Warshrike                           5.4
Widowmaker                          4.5
Windforce                          76.8
Windhammer                          2.4
Wizardspike                         2.2
Wolfhowl                            7.0
Wraith Flight                       4.5
Only S&Us dropped by Nihl count.

Score table:
Code:
Item                              Score
-------------------------------   -----
Aldur's Deception                   4.5
Alma Negra                          9.1
Andariel's Visage                   4.3
Arachnid Mesh                       5.9
Arioc's Needle                      2.3
Arkaine's Valor                     7.7
Astreon's Iron Ward               239.8
Azurewrath                          7.8
Baranar's Star                      3.2
Blackoak Shield                     5.9
Blood Raven's Charge                6.7
Bloodmoon                           3.2
Boneflame                          11.4
Bonehew                             2.3
Boneshade                           7.8
Bul-Kathos' Sacred Charge          32.6
Bul-Kathos' Tribal Guardian        32.6
Cerebus' Bite                      11.0
Cranebeak                           4.7
Credendum                           1.7
Crown of Ages                      97.7
Dangoon's Teaching                  1.3
Dark Adherent                       1.6
Darkforce Spawn                   177.5
Death Cleaver                      79.9
Death's Fathom                    145.2
Death's Web                       240.4
Demon Limb                          2.8
Demon's Arch                        3.2
Demonhorn's Edge                    7.9
Djinn Slayer                        3.2
Doombringer                         5.6
Dracul's Grasp                      5.9
Dragonscale                        20.1
Eaglehorn                           5.6
Earth Shifter                      79.9
Eschuta's Temper                    4.6
Ethereal Edge                       2.5
Executioner's Justice              79.9
Firelizard's Talons                 5.2
Flamebellow                         3.2
Fleshripper                         6.4
Frostwind                           6.4
Gargoyle's Bite                    79.9
Ghostflame                         79.9
Giant Skull                        11.1
Gimmershred                         2.7
Griffon's Eye                      97.7
Griswold's Honor                   91.2
Griswold's Redemption              97.9
Griswold's Valor                   39.9
Gut Siphon                          6.4
Halaberd's Reign                   11.4
Harlequin Crest                     4.1
Head Hunter's Glory                 7.7
Heaven's Light                      9.7
Hellrack                            2.6
Hellslayer                          2.6
Horizon's Tornado                   5.6
Immortal King's Soul Cage          39.9
Immortal King's Stone Crusher       1.0
Jade Talon                          3.0
Lacerator                           4.7
Laying of Hands                     1.4
Leviathan                           6.3
Lightsabre                          2.6
M'avina's Caster                    5.3
M'avina's Embrace                   2.5
M'avina's True Sight               39.9
Mang Song's Lesson                239.8
Marrowwalk                          4.9
Medusa's Gaze                       6.2
Messerschmidt's Reaver              6.4
Naj's Light Plate                   3.1
Naj's Puzzler                       3.1
Natalya's Mark                     37.3
Natalya's Shadow                    1.7
Nightwing's Veil                    6.2
Nord's Tenderizer                   3.5
Nosferatu's Coil                    6.6
Ondal's Almighty                    2.5
Ondal's Wisdom                      7.8
Ormus' Robes                        3.9
Ravenlore                          20.1
Razor's Edge                        3.5
Rune Master                         3.2
Sandstorm Trek                      3.9
Sazabi's Cobalt Redeemer            2.6
Sazabi's Ghost Liberator            3.1
Schaefer's Hammer                  15.9
Shadow Dancer                      97.7
Shadow Killer                       2.4
Soul Drainer                        6.6
Spike Thorn                         6.6
Spirit Keeper                      14.2
Spirit Ward                        11.1
Steel Carapace                     11.1
Steel Pillar                       79.9
Steel Shade                         6.6
Steelrend                          97.7
Stone Crusher                       6.4
Stoneraven                          6.0
Stormlash                          16.9
Stormshield                         4.9
Stormspire                         79.9
Taebaek's Glory                     4.5
Tal Rasha's Guardianship            4.5
Templar's Might                    97.7
The Cranium Basher                 79.9
The Gladiator's Bane                4.9
The Grandfather                    79.9
The Reaper's Toll                   3.2
The Redeemer                        9.7
Thunderstroke                       4.6
Tomb Reaver                         4.7
Trang-Oul's Girth                   4.5
Trang-Oul's Guise                   4.5
Tyrael's Might                    439.7
Veil of Steel                       6.2
Verdungo's Hearty Cord              4.3
Viperfork                           2.6
Warshrike                           5.6
Widowmaker                          4.7
Windforce                          79.9
Windhammer                          2.5
Wizardspike                         2.3
Wolfhowl                            7.2
Wraith Flight                       4.7

Above tables sorted by item score below and in this Excel sheet created by @ioupainmax.
Code:
Item                              Score
-------------------------------   -----
Tyrael's Might                     48.2
Death's Web                        27.9
Astreon's Iron Ward                27.8
Mang Song's Lesson                 27.8
Darkforce Spawn                    19.3
Stormlash                          17.0
Death's Fathom                     16.8
Ravenlore                          14.6
Dragonscale                        14.6
Spirit Keeper                      14.2
Schaefer's Hammer                  11.6
Griswold's Redemption              11.3
Cerebus' Bite                      11.0
Griffon's Eye                      10.7
Crown of Ages                      10.7
Templar's Might                    10.7
Steelrend                          10.7
Shadow Dancer                      10.7
Halaberd's Reign                   10.4
Boneflame                          10.4
Griswold's Honor                    9.8
Heaven's Light                      9.8
The Redeemer                        9.8
Death Cleaver                       9.3
Executioner's Justice               9.3
Windforce                           9.3
Ghostflame                          9.3
Gargoyle's Bite                     9.3
The Cranium Basher                  9.3
Earth Shifter                       9.3
Stormspire                          9.3
Steel Pillar                        9.3
The Grandfather                     9.3
Alma Negra                          9.1
Giant Skull                         8.1
Steel Carapace                      8.1
Spirit Ward                         8.1
Demonhorn's Edge                    7.9
Boneshade                           7.9
Ondal's Wisdom                      7.8
Azurewrath                          7.8
Arkaine's Valor                     7.8
Head Hunter's Glory                 7.8
Wolfhowl                            7.3
Blood Raven's Charge                6.7
Steel Shade                         6.6
Spike Thorn                         6.6
Soul Drainer                        6.6
Nosferatu's Coil                    6.6
Stoneraven                          6.0
Blackoak Shield                     5.9
Dracul's Grasp                      5.9
Arachnid Mesh                       5.9
Leviathan                           5.7
Veil of Steel                       5.7
Nightwing's Veil                    5.7
Medusa's Gaze                       5.7
Eaglehorn                           5.7
Horizon's Tornado                   5.7
Doombringer                         5.7
Warshrike                           5.7
M'avina's Caster                    5.2
Firelizard's Talons                 5.2
Stormshield                         5.0
Marrowwalk                          5.0
The Gladiator's Bane                4.9
Thunderstroke                       4.7
Messerschmidt's Reaver              4.6
Gut Siphon                          4.6
Fleshripper                         4.6
Stone Crusher                       4.6
Frostwind                           4.6
Eschuta's Temper                    4.6
Griswold's Valor                    4.3
Immortal King's Soul Cage           4.3
M'avina's True Sight                4.3
Natalya's Mark                      4.3
Cranebeak                           4.3
Widowmaker                          4.3
Wraith Flight                       4.3
Tomb Reaver                         4.3
Lacerator                           4.3
Andariel's Visage                   4.3
Verdungo's Hearty Cord              4.3
Harlequin Crest                     4.1
Ormus' Robes                        3.9
Sandstorm Trek                      3.9
Bul-Kathos' Sacred Charge           3.8
Bul-Kathos' Tribal Guardian         3.8
Razor's Edge                        3.6
Nord's Tenderizer                   3.5
Aldur's Deception                   3.3
Taebaek's Glory                     3.3
Trang-Oul's Guise                   3.3
Demon's Arch                        3.3
The Reaper's Toll                   3.3
Bloodmoon                           3.3
Flamebellow                         3.3
Tal Rasha's Guardianship            3.2
Trang-Oul's Girth                   3.2
Rune Master                         3.2
Baranar's Star                      3.2
Djinn Slayer                        3.2
Naj's Light Plate                   3.1
Naj's Puzzler                       3.1
Sazabi's Ghost Liberator            3.1
Jade Talon                          3.0
Demon Limb                          2.8
Gimmershred                         2.8
Hellslayer                          2.6
Hellrack                            2.6
Viperfork                           2.6
Lightsabre                          2.6
Ethereal Edge                       2.5
Windhammer                          2.5
Shadow Killer                       2.4
Ondal's Almighty                    2.3
M'avina's Embrace                   2.3
Wizardspike                         2.3
Bonehew                             2.3
Arioc's Needle                      2.3
Sazabi's Cobalt Redeemer            1.9
Credendum                           1.7
Natalya's Shadow                    1.7
Dark Adherent                       1.6
Laying of Hands                     1.4
Dangoon's Teaching                  1.3
Immortal King's Stone Crusher       1.0
Code:
Item                              Score
-------------------------------   -----
Tyrael's Might                    422.5
Death's Web                       231.0
Astreon's Iron Ward               230.4
Mang Song's Lesson                230.4
Darkforce Spawn                   172.2
Death's Fathom                    140.9
Griswold's Redemption              97.7
Griswold's Honor                   94.7
Griffon's Eye                      93.9
Crown of Ages                      93.9
Templar's Might                    93.9
Steelrend                          93.9
Shadow Dancer                      93.9
Death Cleaver                      76.8
Executioner's Justice              76.8
Windforce                          76.8
Ghostflame                         76.8
Gargoyle's Bite                    76.8
The Cranium Basher                 76.8
Earth Shifter                      76.8
Stormspire                         76.8
Steel Pillar                       76.8
The Grandfather                    76.8
Griswold's Valor                   39.8
Immortal King's Soul Cage          39.8
M'avina's True Sight               39.8
Natalya's Mark                     38.7
Bul-Kathos' Sacred Charge          32.6
Bul-Kathos' Tribal Guardian        32.6
Ravenlore                          19.5
Dragonscale                        19.5
Stormlash                          16.2
Schaefer's Hammer                  15.3
Spirit Keeper                      13.7
Halaberd's Reign                   11.0
Boneflame                          11.0
Giant Skull                        10.7
Spirit Ward                        10.7
Steel Carapace                     10.6
Cerebus' Bite                      10.6
Heaven's Light                      9.3
The Redeemer                        9.3
Alma Negra                          8.8
Demonhorn's Edge                    7.6
Boneshade                           7.5
Ondal's Wisdom                      7.5
Azurewrath                          7.5
Arkaine's Valor                     7.4
Head Hunter's Glory                 7.4
Wolfhowl                            7.0
Blood Raven's Charge                6.5
Steel Shade                         6.3
Spike Thorn                         6.3
Soul Drainer                        6.3
Nosferatu's Coil                    6.3
Messerschmidt's Reaver              6.1
Gut Siphon                          6.1
Fleshripper                         6.1
Stone Crusher                       6.1
Frostwind                           6.1
Leviathan                           6.0
Veil of Steel                       6.0
Nightwing's Veil                    6.0
Medusa's Gaze                       6.0
Stoneraven                          5.8
Dracul's Grasp                      5.7
Blackoak Shield                     5.6
Arachnid Mesh                       5.6
M'avina's Caster                    5.5
Eaglehorn                           5.4
Horizon's Tornado                   5.4
Doombringer                         5.4
Warshrike                           5.4
Firelizard's Talons                 5.0
Stormshield                         4.7
Marrowwalk                          4.7
The Gladiator's Bane                4.7
Cranebeak                           4.5
Widowmaker                          4.5
Wraith Flight                       4.5
Tomb Reaver                         4.5
Lacerator                           4.5
Thunderstroke                       4.5
Aldur's Deception                   4.5
Taebaek's Glory                     4.5
Trang-Oul's Guise                   4.5
Tal Rasha's Guardianship            4.5
Trang-Oul's Girth                   4.5
Eschuta's Temper                    4.4
Andariel's Visage                   4.1
Verdungo's Hearty Cord              4.1
Harlequin Crest                     3.9
Ormus' Robes                        3.7
Sandstorm Trek                      3.7
Razor's Edge                        3.4
Nord's Tenderizer                   3.4
Naj's Light Plate                   3.2
Naj's Puzzler                       3.2
Demon's Arch                        3.1
The Reaper's Toll                   3.1
Bloodmoon                           3.1
Flamebellow                         3.1
Rune Master                         3.1
Baranar's Star                      3.1
Djinn Slayer                        3.1
Sazabi's Ghost Liberator            3.1
Jade Talon                          2.9
Demon Limb                          2.6
Gimmershred                         2.6
Sazabi's Cobalt Redeemer            2.6
Hellslayer                          2.5
Hellrack                            2.5
Viperfork                           2.5
Lightsabre                          2.5
Ondal's Almighty                    2.5
M'avina's Embrace                   2.5
Ethereal Edge                       2.4
Windhammer                          2.4
Shadow Killer                       2.3
Wizardspike                         2.2
Bonehew                             2.2
Arioc's Needle                      2.2
Credendum                           1.7
Natalya's Shadow                    1.7
Dark Adherent                       1.6
Laying of Hands                     1.4
Dangoon's Teaching                  1.3
Immortal King's Stone Crusher       1.0
Code:
Item                              Score
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Tyrael's Might                    439.7
Death's Web                       240.4
Astreon's Iron Ward               239.8
Mang Song's Lesson                239.8
Darkforce Spawn                   177.5
Death's Fathom                    145.2
Griswold's Redemption              97.9
Griffon's Eye                      97.7
Crown of Ages                      97.7
Templar's Might                    97.7
Steelrend                          97.7
Shadow Dancer                      97.7
Griswold's Honor                   91.2
Death Cleaver                      79.9
Executioner's Justice              79.9
Windforce                          79.9
Ghostflame                         79.9
Gargoyle's Bite                    79.9
The Cranium Basher                 79.9
Earth Shifter                      79.9
Stormspire                         79.9
Steel Pillar                       79.9
The Grandfather                    79.9
Griswold's Valor                   39.9
Immortal King's Soul Cage          39.9
M'avina's True Sight               39.9
Natalya's Mark                     37.3
Bul-Kathos' Sacred Charge          32.6
Bul-Kathos' Tribal Guardian        32.6
Ravenlore                          20.1
Dragonscale                        20.1
Stormlash                          16.9
Schaefer's Hammer                  15.9
Spirit Keeper                      14.2
Halaberd's Reign                   11.4
Boneflame                          11.4
Giant Skull                        11.1
Steel Carapace                     11.1
Spirit Ward                        11.1
Cerebus' Bite                      11.0
Heaven's Light                      9.7
The Redeemer                        9.7
Alma Negra                          9.1
Demonhorn's Edge                    7.9
Boneshade                           7.8
Ondal's Wisdom                      7.8
Azurewrath                          7.8
Arkaine's Valor                     7.7
Head Hunter's Glory                 7.7
Wolfhowl                            7.2
Blood Raven's Charge                6.7
Steel Shade                         6.6
Spike Thorn                         6.6
Soul Drainer                        6.6
Nosferatu's Coil                    6.6
Messerschmidt's Reaver              6.4
Gut Siphon                          6.4
Fleshripper                         6.4
Stone Crusher                       6.4
Frostwind                           6.4
Leviathan                           6.3
Veil of Steel                       6.2
Nightwing's Veil                    6.2
Medusa's Gaze                       6.2
Stoneraven                          6.0
Blackoak Shield                     5.9
Dracul's Grasp                      5.9
Arachnid Mesh                       5.9
Eaglehorn                           5.6
Horizon's Tornado                   5.6
Doombringer                         5.6
Warshrike                           5.6
M'avina's Caster                    5.3
Firelizard's Talons                 5.2
Stormshield                         4.9
Marrowwalk                          4.9
The Gladiator's Bane                4.9
Cranebeak                           4.7
Widowmaker                          4.7
Wraith Flight                       4.7
Tomb Reaver                         4.7
Lacerator                           4.7
Thunderstroke                       4.6
Eschuta's Temper                    4.6
Aldur's Deception                   4.5
Taebaek's Glory                     4.5
Trang-Oul's Guise                   4.5
Tal Rasha's Guardianship            4.5
Trang-Oul's Girth                   4.5
Andariel's Visage                   4.3
Verdungo's Hearty Cord              4.3
Harlequin Crest                     4.1
Ormus' Robes                        3.9
Sandstorm Trek                      3.9
Razor's Edge                        3.5
Nord's Tenderizer                   3.5
Demon's Arch                        3.2
The Reaper's Toll                   3.2
Bloodmoon                           3.2
Flamebellow                         3.2
Rune Master                         3.2
Baranar's Star                      3.2
Djinn Slayer                        3.2
Naj's Light Plate                   3.1
Naj's Puzzler                       3.1
Sazabi's Ghost Liberator            3.1
Jade Talon                          3.0
Demon Limb                          2.8
Gimmershred                         2.7
Hellslayer                          2.6
Hellrack                            2.6
Viperfork                           2.6
Lightsabre                          2.6
Sazabi's Cobalt Redeemer            2.6
Ethereal Edge                       2.5
Windhammer                          2.5
Ondal's Almighty                    2.5
M'avina's Embrace                   2.5
Shadow Killer                       2.4
Wizardspike                         2.3
Bonehew                             2.3
Arioc's Needle                      2.3
Credendum                           1.7
Natalya's Shadow                    1.7
Dark Adherent                       1.6
Laying of Hands                     1.4
Dangoon's Teaching                  1.3
Immortal King's Stone Crusher       1.0


VII. Rune Scoring
Runes will be scored as follows in all areas:

Hel 0.5
Io 0.7
Lum 0.9
Ko 1.3
Fal 1.7
Lem 2.6
Pul 3.4
Mal 5.0
Um 5.1
Gul 7.1
Ist 7.5
Ohm 10.1
Vex 10.6
Sur 13.7
Lo 15.1
Jah 18.3
Ber 20.5
Cham 27.5
Zod 71.8

Only direct rune drops count (no cubing allowed).

The same scoring applies to LK and Travincal. For example a Sur in LK is worth 13.7 points (even though it is disproportionately more common in LK).

EDIT: Note that drops from poppables only count for LK runes.

So...
Let's sign up below in the category of our choice and find some cool stuff!

EDIT: Added a couple of clarifications and an example for placement scoring.
 
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PhineasB

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Looking forward to this! :)

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+1

I'll run my untwinked 99er necro in Pits until he hits 96, and then we'll see how to finish the set. He may just finish the full set in Pits.

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PhineasB




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I'm assuming that the winner gets bragging rights and that there is no prize claiming aspect of this?
I'll be running The Pit (literally, no Enigma) with my fabulous Tal Rasha Barb. 191% MF on that bad boy. Might as well give up now, for victory will surely be mine!

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PhineasB
Hutton



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I'll add myself in, probably running the Ancient Tunnels.

EDIT: I've added the targets underneath each category header for clarity, hope that's ok?

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PhineasB
Hutton
ioupainmax



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Nihlathak
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Correct!

Untwinked Nec is almost 97 and Pits don't deliver enough XP anymore unfortunately. Baal is not ideal XP either for now and I'm going to run him a lot anyway. So I'll be going twinked for this one, most likely Javazon but maybe Novamancer. Will have to run the numbers and check how kill speed/MF ratios compare. :)
Most likely I'll be revisiting the Worldstone Keep as it was quite fun with the monster variation and difficulty.

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ffs
PhineasB
Hutton
ioupainmax
NanoMist


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Nihlathak
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Show off :p

Us mere mortals prefer safer targets!
Its necessary to have trading profile for this or not?I guess not, because its not specified, but i had to ask...Anyway, its very interesting and i will be running Pits/Pindle for sure with untwincked one day hopefully 99er, so its logical choice to join...
@RIP You concluded correctly from the absence of such rule that no trade profile is necessary. ;) Please do add yourself to the sign-up table!
Thanks for the clarification, added myself to the lvl 85 areas category

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ffs
PhineasB
Hutton
ioupainmax
NanoMist
RIP


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Nihlathak
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I’ll run Nihlathak with Sorceress. Thanks for hosting!
I am running chaos sanctuary a ton at the moment and would be interested in this as well. I assume the drops that count from chaos are all the mobs in chaos + seal bosses, but not diablo. Is that accurate? Since ROF is lvl 85 as well, do the boss packs between the wp and chaos count?
@CrustyRusty As stated in the rules neither drops from Diablo nor from seal bosses count, but RoF and CS boss packs do.

Added @Yng to Nihl category. All, feel free to copy the table from the previous sign-up post and add yourselves in so I don't have to do it. :p

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PhineasB
Hutton
ioupainmax
NanoMist
RIP


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Yng



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Indeed it does, I missed it up there! I guess I should practice my reading lol.

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ffs
PhineasB
Hutton
ioupainmax
NanoMist
RIP
CrustyRusty


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Nihlathak
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Yng



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I thought that there was a discussion about it last time (or another time, can't recall), and that time spent in GoMule does not count for the 20 hour limit.
Count me in for the L85 areas. I doubt I will be able to finish more than one batch, but it is still worth a shot.

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ffs
PhineasB
Hutton
ioupainmax
NanoMist
RIP
CrustyRusty
smloeffelholz


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Nihlathak
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Yng



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@T72on1 Regarding GoMule time, I know it normally doesn't count and I abused that fact myself, but I thought I'd give this a try for this tournament. For example during RFL Travincal running, I'd estimate I spent at least 10-15% of the time muling. Not identifying items in game or using the in-game stash at all essentially extends running time by that much, and gives you an edge over people who use the normal/intended in-game methods of stashing and identifying items. But these methods work perfectly fine, and IMO people shouldn't be forced to either not use them or be at a disadvantage. The idea was that all participants actually spend the same amount of time on their running.
I swear this is only the 12th time I've said I would gear up my fissure drood and run AT with it. He's already lvl 80 something so no more valid excuses!

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PhineasB
Hutton
ioupainmax
NanoMist
RIP
CrustyRusty
smloeffelholz
pharphis


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Baal & waves
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Nihlathak
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Yng


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PhineasB

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Sure, I'll be in. Not sure if I'll finish a set, also not sure who I'll run with, but I'm in regardless! I'm signed up for Category 1 right now, but am open to changing to Baal if people need some competition there too.

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ffs
PhineasB
Hutton
ioupainmax
NanoMist
RIP
CrustyRusty
smloeffelholz
pharphis
Pb_pal


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Yng


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Running probably with my Pit Nec or maybe I'll join phar with a Fire Druid and AT running. Or maybe a mix of both!

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ffs
PhineasB
Hutton
ioupainmax
NanoMist
RIP
CrustyRusty
smloeffelholz
pharphis
Pb_pal
Grape

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Yng


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Ok, thanks for the clarification. Since it's a change from the usual routine, it might not hurt to mention it again at the start of the tournament, so that's it's clear for everyone.

I'll be running Nihlathak, but just to give @Yng some competition. Rune drops from him have been so bad overall up to this point, and S/U as well lately, that I don't expect anything from him, and I'm actually quite bored of him at this point (yes, I did run Neverland in between ShouldBeEasy, but not much), but it'll be a good reason to progress with Neverland.

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ffs
PhineasB
Hutton
ioupainmax
NanoMist
RIP
CrustyRusty
smloeffelholz
pharphis
Pb_pal
Grape

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Nihlathak
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Yng
T72on1

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Cool, nice number of runners already! So how does everyone intend to balance MF and killing power? What kind of setups? Which player settings?

I rolled nice Pit maps last weekend for both my Javazon and PN Necro. Both are great for the task obviously, but since Necro can stack more MF and is similarly fast, I'll probably run with Venomancer. I set the toons up like this for now:

Griffon's Eye (Cham)
2/20 craft amulet
Enigma
Titan's
Head Hunter's Glory (2x RBF, 15 IAS/[email protected])
2x rare rings with 10 FCR + LL + ML + MF on one of them
Razortail
3/20 Gloves
War Traveler

Switch: CtA + Spirit
Merc: Infinity, Stealskull, ebug Fortitude
Inventory: Cube, Gheed's, 7x skillers, MF and life/mana SCs

2/20 circlet (PTopaz)
2/20 P&B amulet
Death's Web (Ist)
Enigma
Spirit
Nagelring
10 FCR/19 MF rare ring
TO Gloves
Arach
War Travelers

Switch: CtA + Spirit
Insight IG

Merc: Infinity, Andy's, ebug Fortitude
Inventory: Cube, Gheed's, 7x skillers, MF SCs

Question for both is really whether to drop a couple of skillers for more MF, and whether Javazon can be more efficient with 68% FCR switch but higher MF. Could also use Rhyme for MF and CNBF and shuffle around a bit, not sure... As for Necro, I might try and roll a map where most bosses spawn in the "nests", that should make skillers dispensable. Haven't checked P5 vs P7 for Necro either. So, bit of testing left to do until next weekend!

That being said: Like @Pb_pal I might also consider switching to Baal, if others end up signing up for Baal, wouldn't mind using the momentum for pushing my untwinked 99er Necro. Also, for the avoidance of doubt, everyone can switch categories until just before the start. :)
Maybe I'll switch to Category 2 and win that category by default :D...it's about the only chance I'll have against you lot!
So what would happen were I the only one running Baal?
@Shuffleblast oi, don't steal my idea!
@Shuffleblast If indeed no one else would be running, you would of course win without competition. I'm sure you will get some competition though, if no one else decides to join you I will. :)
I wiil run with my bliiz sorc (lvl 92) both pindle and AT most likely. If Ill finish the set it would be excellent to gain some exp with light sorc, currently lvl 86. It will be my first tournament so a little bit excited :)

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ffs
PhineasB
Hutton
ioupainmax
NanoMist
RIP
CrustyRusty
smloeffelholz
pharphis
Pb_pal
Grape
mulligan

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Yng


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Alright, I'll be running AT & pindle as well to make it more of a challenge. :p

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ffs
PhineasB
Hutton
ioupainmax
NanoMist
RIP
CrustyRusty
smloeffelholz
pharphis
Pb_pal
Grape
mulligan
Shuffleblast

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Nihlathak
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Yng
T72on1


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@mulligan Nice !!! I thought I couldn't recall having seen you in a tournament before. No stress, it's about the fun, not about winning. Of all MFOs, RLFs and the like I have been in, there have always been a lot of participants, and only one winner. So the winners are the weird ones ;).
I think it'll be /p8 Pits with the PNecro. Not optimal for MF I know, but I have trouble leaving that XP and rune-finding probability on the table since both matter more to me than S/U. :p

His map is comfy now that I'm used to it and produced decent rune and MF results in the RFL. It also seems to drop Sacred Armours and Unearthed Wands fairly often (well, relatively speaking), so I'll be hoping for a longshot to get me a good placement.

His setup will be:

Fun Necro Circlet
Skull Horn
Circlet
Defense: 22
Durability: 33 of 35
Required Level: 49
Fingerprint: 0x1429e30e
Item Level: 95
Version: Expansion 1.10+
100% Chance to cast level 51 Poison Nova when you Die
+2 to Poison and Bone Skills (Necromancer Only)
+20% Faster Run/Walk
+20% Faster Cast Rate
Adds 37 Poison Damage Over 2 Secs (50 Frames)
-5% to Enemy Poison Resistance
+5% to Poison Skill Damage
+83 to Mana
Fire Resist +24%
1 Sockets (1 used)
Socketed: Rainbow Facet

Rainbow Facet
Jewel
Required Level: 49
Fingerprint: 0x29f9c51
Item Level: 95
Version: Expansion 1.10+
100% Chance to cast level 51 Poison Nova when you Die
Adds 37 Poison Damage Over 2 Secs (50 Frames)
-5% to Enemy Poison Resistance
+5% to Poison Skill Damage
DWeb + Facet
Death's Web
Unearthed Wand
One Hand Damage: 22 - 28
Durability: 18 of 18
Required Level: 66
Required Strength: 25
Fingerprint: 0x643d2c50
Item Level: **
Version: Expansion 1.10+
100% Chance to cast level 23 Venom when you Level-Up
+2 to All Skills
+2 to Poison and Bone Skills (Necromancer Only)
Adds 37 Poison Damage Over 2 Secs (50 Frames)
-54% to Enemy Poison Resistance
+5% to Poison Skill Damage
+9 to Mana after each Kill
+9 Life after each Kill
1 Sockets (1 used)
Socketed: Rainbow Facet

Rainbow Facet
Jewel
Required Level: 49
Fingerprint: 0x504316bf
Item Level: **
Version: Expansion 1.10+
100% Chance to cast level 23 Venom when you Level-Up
Adds 37 Poison Damage Over 2 Secs (50 Frames)
-5% to Enemy Poison Resistance
+5% to Poison Skill Damage
Enigma
Spirit
Trangs Gloves
Maras amulet
SoJ/BKWB
Arach
rare boots with FR/LR/MF
@Pb_pal Sweet, finally we have our Pit Necro gang together. :)

That is a nice hat! It's a bit of a shame that douchebag Larzuk only punched one hole in my blue 2/20. :mad: Seems you're not at 125% FCR though so could as well go Shako? I'm currently at 125% FCR but I have a feeling 75% FCR and Shako (plus second Nagel and MF amulet) makes more sense. Even though that's a violation of the "must use 2/20 amulet" rule. :p How are you going about skillers and MF amount?
@ffs - 8 Skillers, 2 columns for item grabbing, and only 116% MF. I haven't bothered to re-gear him since the RFL (and likely won't), so I won't be min-maxing him for this tournament. Shako would be a good replacement though for the circlet, as it won't affect kill speed at all and is basically free MF, so I'll think about that. I'm mostly using that circlet because I have it and it's a nice change from using Shako, and as a way to try to will a 2/20 into existence to slot in with it. :p

I think for this warm-up I'm going to keep him as-is even if it isn't optimal (for MF anyways, his killing power is great for runes/safety/XP), and I might re-gear him and use him in the actual MFO in a more MF-oriented setup.
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ffs
PhineasB
Hutton
ioupainmax
NanoMist
RIP
CrustyRusty
smloeffelholz
pharphis
Pb_pal
Grape
mulligan
Shuffleblast
Locohead

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Baal & waves
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Target:
Nihlathak
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Yng
T72on1


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Let's hope I can finally run my Sorc to L95!
Let's get the gameplay vids going, shall we? :) Spent several hours since last weekend looking for Pit maps, and I think I'm going to stick with this one for the Necro:


Still a little wonky at times, haven't played him in a long time, but I really like the map. Small area to cover, 2 nests, normally 5-6 boss packs on level 1. (4 or even 7 happens, but rarely.) Level 2 is average with 2-3 packs, pretty much 50%. Forgot to show inventory in the end but it's 7x P&B skillers, Gheed's and MF SCs, mostly with mana. Overall at 313% MF currently (I aimed for ~300 for now). Also compared his setup to the Shako/75% FCR variant, but it's less efficient it seems. At 300+ MF, diminishing returns for MF kick in big time, and in his case at least the higher clear speed with 125% FCR beats out the extra MF. Not to mention it's much more fun to fly around like a mad man. ;)
Looks like I will have to sit this one out as I will be away for much of it :(
@ffs - Nice demo video there. That has to be the smallest Pit 1 map I've ever seen.. only 4 map tiles total!
Yeah, well I've had similarly small ones, but they usually come with a lower number of boss packs. In that way this one is special indeed, won't get rolled away anytime soon!
Category 1
Targets:
Level 85 areas, Pindle+, Cow level
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ffs
PhineasB
Hutton
ioupainmax
NanoMist
RIP
CrustyRusty
smloeffelholz
pharphis
Pb_pal
Grape
mulligan
Shuffleblast
Locohead

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Friiser



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Nihlathak
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Yng
T72on1


I'm in for a go at Baal. For the record I've been thinking about him since the beginning of the thread and am surprised no one else has jumped into that category.

I'll be running with my level 95 Fishymancer. Will edit this post later with his gear.
 

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Same video as I posted during the RFL, but I'll be running the same map so just pretend I'm a little bit better at playing it now. :p

I will run with my untwinked poisonmancer, so there will be at least three of us! My recent update in the Untwinked 99er thread goes into more detail about set-up and testing, but short version is:

I've settled on 75 FCR setup with Shako/extra Nagelring (313% MF), but will switch up to the 125 FCR setup (224% MF) once he hits 96, which should be a little less than halfway into the 20-hour set. I'm hoping the full 20-hour set will see him past 96.25. The first half of level 95 also gave a preview of his score potential, with decent runes and S/Us in an estimated 10 hours. It should be a fun competition.

I also have a question based on the vids: @ffs appears to go straight amp, while @Pb_pal switches between lower resist early and amp once the first corpse becomes available. I'm actually just going straight lower resist to save key strokes (and make for more leisurely running) and on the assumption that it's not leaving too much damage on the table because Infinity + LR helps out the fire damage side of corpse explosion on all baddies in the Pit except carvers and Shamans. But I'd be curious to hear more from those number crunchers among the Forumites!
@PhineasB I stopped using LR altogether after @Gripphon noted that AD is stronger during last year's RFL. Makes total sense though. The first CE will almost always come from a Merc kill, so that will come much faster with AD. Then AD increases CE's physical damage much more than LR increases the fire portion. In particular vs Pit monsters, the increased physical damage from AD will always be fully utilized. On the other hand, in conjunction with Infinity, only a fraction of LR is utilized because lvl 12 Conviction already brings the (non-FI) enemies close to the -100 resist floor. Then vs broken Fire Immunes, LR only works at 20% effectiveness, same as Conviction, again AD has a much higher effect on the physical portion.

Generally the job of Poison Nova IMO is "only" to soften up mobs so that you can string together CEs immediately. It's a very important job for overall clear speed of course, but if you're lucky enough to have a Death's Web, that takes complete care of it on its own. That's also why I don't use facets either, I found they didn't speed up runs at all so I switched to MF in sockets.

There are situations where PN kills some Devilkins while Merc is hitting a high HP boss (e.g. Stone Skin) or something like that, and he won't deliver the first corpse despite AD in those situations. But those are exceptions, and even then I'm not sure LR would be any faster (CE is weaker not having cast AD at that point, and casting AD takes time again). Using only AD also saves 6 skill points which are very valuable IMO. If nothing else, in particular Golem Mastery helps the IG a lot, and personally I like revives also for comfortable running. :)

My 2 cents on Poison Necro. :)
When I ran my poisonmancer for RFL round 1, I did Amp most of the times, sometimes LR after getting the first corpse if I wanted a bigger radius. But that didn't happen much.
Interesting, because I tested out the two (wanting to have only one to cast so I didn't have to switch curses) early on and found LR stronger based on timed sessions with XP meter. But that was post-DWeb and before Pestilence had Infinity available. I guess I will do some re-testing once I pick him back up at the beginning of the set.
Yes, to be clear: mine was with DWeb and Infinity.
After a REALLY long hiatus from D2, I'm considering dusting off my Tal's Blizz Sorc for this little event... Not sure if I can make the time commitment, but couldn't hurt to try!
I have settled on running a Blizzard Sorceress in Ancient Tunnels for the contest. She won't be the fastest, but she needs levels and it should be fun. I am planning on running at P3 to keep kill speed fast but increase rune chances. I still might change this based on her speed and survivability, since she will not be running with ideal gear.

Equipment setup:
Shako
Skullder's Ire
Hoto
Spirit Monarch
Arach
Magefist
War Traveler
Nagel x 2
Mara's Kaleidoscope

This will let her hit the 105% FCR breakpoint and still carry ~360% MF with charms.
My kind of guy
@xxnothing Nice, which target are you thinking about running? Please do sign up by adding yourself in the table/category below! Also, who is going to give @Friiser some competition for Baal? :) Copied the table here for convenience as it was on the last page:


Category 1
Targets:
Level 85 areas, Pindle+, Cow level
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ffs
PhineasB
Hutton
ioupainmax
NanoMist
RIP
CrustyRusty
smloeffelholz
pharphis
Pb_pal
Grape
mulligan
Shuffleblast
Locohead

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Category 2
Targets:
Baal & waves
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Friiser



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Category 3
Target:
Nihlathak
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Yng
T72on1
For what it's worth, I run LR->AD mostly out of habit and partly because I simply like it better. It takes a bit of getting used to, but once the muscle memory kicks in it's all routine.

As you can see in my video, the LR-pumped Novas will kill devilkins like butter, and will also semi-reliably kill off a few minions of the Lancer/Archer types. This obviously can help massively on getting quick CE chains, especially if there are Stone Skin bosses around or in largely packed rooms. It doesn't do much against skellies, but if you wanted to really min-max you could just skip LR for those guys and go straight to amp (though I prefer to use the same method at all times, makes the runs more relaxing).

I haven't done any hard numbers testing on efficiencies between the two styles, but when I first rolled him out in the Pit I tried both and got the sense that LR+Amp was faster for me specifically on /p8. I also have a high roll DWeb and Infinity, so there's that.

I wouldn't be surprised either way which style is faster with the actual numbers, but I like to always put the caveat out there that it's probably best to do whichever you enjoy/can do for extended times easily.
This looks like the perfect opportunity to work on my Perfect Eth grail...o_O

I also still need to achieve my annual goal of finding 3 Sacred Armors per year.

Will this be the year? Will the age old question "Is it possible to get a 2nd grail to -1 before finishing the first one?" finally be answered? -6 and counting...so only one way to find out!

I was a little confused about the rules though: Is it possible to run more than one category? How about 2 characters in the same category? I would like to start with 20 hours of Pitzerking. Then alternate between javabaaling and blizztunneling maybe 1-2 hours each per day. I only expect to finish the pit running but you never know...(I don't care about scores I just like the idea of racing against the clock).

Added to Category 1 for now!

Category 1
Targets:
Level 85 areas, Pindle+, Cow level
-------------------
ffs
PhineasB
Hutton
ioupainmax
NanoMist
RIP
CrustyRusty
smloeffelholz
pharphis
Pb_pal
Grape
mulligan
Shuffleblast
Locohead
ziambe

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Category 2
Targets:
Baal & waves
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Friiser
ziambe


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Category 3
Target:
Nihlathak
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Yng
T72on1
@ziambe Cool, GL with the grail. :) Initially I thought about whether switching between categories could work, but it doesn't. At least I couldn't think of an adequate way. Each S&U drop would need to be scored based on where it was found. But then for example a Tyrael's Might from Nihlathak would already be impossible to beat by someone running L85 areas (even with five Tyrael's). Don't want something like that.

So no switching allowed during a set, but you can run multiple sets and switch after one is finished (or run simultaneously, but keeping track of separate timers and drops/scores).

So, still no one willing to join @Friiser for Baal runs? ;)
@ffs Thanks for clearing that up. Of course combining drops between categories would defeat the purpose of categories in the first place. I didn't mean that.



This is what I meant. I was just confused by the term 'sets'.

So I will go ahead and sign up for 'ole Baal too, but can't guarantee I will get a full 20 hours in on him...should i also do something to signify the possibility that i might run a 2nd category 1 too?

Also I would like to take the opportunity to invite all the runners to try my meta game while running:

TC 87 Bingo!

Guaranteed to increase your fun by a percentage equal to or greater than your MF :)
Category 1
Targets:
Level 85 areas, Pindle+, Cow level
-------------------
ffs
PhineasB
Hutton
ioupainmax
NanoMist
RIP
CrustyRusty
smloeffelholz
pharphis
Pb_pal
Grape
mulligan
Shuffleblast
Locohead
ziambe
darkstarhub

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Category 2
Targets:
Baal & waves
-------------------
Friiser
ziambe


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Category 3
Target:
Nihlathak
-------------------
Yng
T72on1

Baal does not like me when it comes to drops at all, and no Nihlathak just yet. Chaos Sanctuary with some AT/Pits mixed in sounds fun to me!!!
Very nice @darkstarhub!


No need!

So, kind of quiet around here, everybody ready to go tomorrow!? :)
I'm not sure when I'll be able to start. Probably not until Monday or so, although I've said such nonsense in the past as well, usually ending up completely different :). Quiet from my part at the moment, because I'm playing D3 and haven't touched D2 besides our weekly group game for a week or two now.

Btw, I'm wondering what the best strategy is for running Nihl. @Grape ran him during the area round of RFL and scored a good amount of HRs. Which is completely the opposite of my experience with him so far, after some 50 -60 hours with my 99er Sorc. He has been stingy as hell. Obviously rng is rng, but what would be the best way to approach this? Only Nihl's part of the map I guess, but probably kill almost evertyhing on and around his platform, not only Nihl and any casualties that happen to be there because of Meteor's area damage?

I'll also have to see if I can include a bit more MF without sacrificing my survivability too much. Tournaments are fun and everything, but dying at 98.5 isn't, so ...
IIRC Grape went for Nihl as usual, plus ghost type monsters on the way there. Honestly I think you’ve just been unlucky with runes there so far, so I’m sure plenty will drop in the next 20h! ;)

I’ll probably start Saturday. Let’s go!
Uhhh...a bit premature surely, it doesn't start until it ticks over to Saturday local time.
I just got done play testing my AT blizz sorc. In ~2.5 hours she found BK sword, Trang's helm and belt, and a Nightwing's Veil. I feel like I need to stop before I burn up all the good luck on the map.

Edit: I couldn’t stop, and I just found an Astreon’s Iron Ward (+4 Combat Skills). I really need to give it a break.

Edit 2: I am having too much fun, and I can't control myself.

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Nice man. Astreons is one of the items on my all time grail I’ve yet to find. Two green Caduceus but not a sungle gold one. RNG is so weird though, like IK’s Soul Cage. I’d never found one before this restart(it’s been over a year and a half now so maybe not new anymore), but I have found six of them now. Not a single golden Sacred Armor though.
Yeah so!? I said „tomorrow“ right!? (Ok I really thought it was Friday. :rolleyes:)

@smloeffelholz Bad timing indeed, but grats nonetheless on Astreon's! It's really rare, one of my 3 grailers as well..
I'd like to enter my zealot! I will run pits for the level 85 zone. This is my first ever event! How do you guys record the 20 hour batches? Just use a stopwatch when you login or something? Also I'm a little unclear about the batches. So basically it's your best finds within one 20 hour batch, however multiple batches are allowed? Is this to curb the super grinders a bit so that they don't just put in 35 hours straight and have a big advantage over the people who play only 20 hours total? Do you need a total of 20 hours or can it be less?

Thanks guys! I'll update the sheet once im on my PC
@Trapin' Your understanding re multiple batches is correct, and no you don't need to run the full 20h, it can be less. The reasoning behind the 20h cap is indeed to have everyone run for the same amount of time for scoring purposes. Running longer still has merits (your next 20h can score higher), but it's a rather small advantage vis-à-vis someone who "only" finds the time for one set.

So, people are sticking with their choice of areas and builds? I for one respec'ed my Pit Berserker to WW to gain a couple of levels on him before the MFO. Because of that I'm sorely tempted to run his crazy new Pit map on P8 for this, instead of going Necro. Probably similar efficiency for S&Us, though his rune finds would likely be terrible...
@Trapin' Nice. Good luck.

20 hours is indeed measured by using a stopwatch or something similar.

Reminder to everyone: muling time is included in the 20 hours !!
Indeed. Also since I didn't expressly mention it, for the avoidance of doubt I edited the first post to add that poppable drops do not count except for LK runes.

Curious as to how this whole format plays out. :)
Hey guys, I've been "refreshing my D2 batteries" a little (like they don't recharge overnight, eh) :p Only done few hours of random gaming since my 99.

Feels I'm ready for this. Gonna start with Pits and Poison Nec and see how it goes...



Me too :) I'm sure it will be great!

I was planning to dump bunch of unidentified stuff to a gomule stash every time I'm muling, and sort through those charms, jewels etc. once the tournament is over. Hope that would be ok? Should be kind of exciting to see afterwards if you got anything nice!
@Grape Yeah I almost got worried by your absence! ;)



Sure that's fine! Just wanted time spent in GoMule to count, that's about it really.
Sorry dudes, I can't join this one. I have too much going on with other games and project at the moment.

Good luck everybody! Looking forward to see all your Chams, Zods, Mang songs and unique Sacred armors!
Woah I've always been really slow at mulling, guess I'll have to speed it up this time. ^^
Is it ok to take screenshots of items i find instead of muling them? My character is full and I don't use any extended stash programs
Category 1
Targets:
Level 85 areas, Pindle+, Cow level
-------------------
ffs
PhineasB
Hutton
ioupainmax
NanoMist
RIP
CrustyRusty
smloeffelholz
pharphis
Pb_pal
Grape
mulligan
Shuffleblast
Locohead
ziambe
darkstarhub
Trappin'

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Category 2
Targets:
Baal & waves
-------------------
Friiser
ziambe


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Category 3
Target:
Nihlathak
-------------------
Yng
T72on1
Yay i started my runs today. Doing pits on players 3... first two runs took me 6 and 8 minutes from login to finishing level 2 of pits (I do full clear) Slow and steady is going to be my plan :cool:
I'm switching over to my original target Baal, now that there's actually a bit of competition. It's too dark in the tunnels and I can't seem to find (or recognize) a good map.

Category 1
Targets:
Level 85 areas, Pindle+, Cow level
-------------------
ffs
PhineasB
Hutton
ioupainmax
NanoMist
RIP
CrustyRusty
smloeffelholz
pharphis
Pb_pal
Grape
mulligan
Locohead
ziambe
darkstarhub
Trappin'

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Category 2
Targets:
Baal & waves
-------------------
Friiser
ziambe
Shuffleblast

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Category 3
Target:
Nihlathak
-------------------
Yng
T72on1

I did some test running from lvl 82-92 on p7... nothing spectacular, but still ok.
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so it's not allowed to post finds during right? have to wait till it's finished?
Yes, its not allowed...

As for me, satisfied with first hour, got 11M of experience which is very nice, i can reach lvl 94 before tournament ends ;)
Going very well so far...need to do this more often!

Good luck everybody, may your drops be even better than mine! Mua ha ha !;)
Agreed...

Not even three hours in, and i'm so happy and satisfied, that even zero drops in the rest of the tourney will make no difference :) So glad that i joined this tourney ;)
Am I too late to jump in? I have caught my annual D2 itch again and tempted to jump straight back in with my Hammerdin running in Chaos Sanctuary.
I think you can join just fine. Welcome back !!
 

PhineasB

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Sounds people are having a good start! :)

@Neksja Of course you can still join, welcome!

Managed to run for ~4 hours so far. I started out with my Pit Barb to gain some XP with the MFO in mind, but he was a tiny bit slow and didn't kill enough trash mobs... So after hitting 93 with him after ~1 hour I switched to PN Necro. For now going back and forth between 75% FCR/~400 MF and 125% FCR/~300 MF depending on mood more or less. :rolleyes:

Edit: Best non-qualifier drop so far, couple of rolls could have been higher but pretty sure this will be put to use at some point.
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What happened to the old scoring txt files which were organized by point value, they are a lot easier to read!
I've reformatted them so that they are in descending score order, though it is worth double checking the figures in case I've messed anything up...

[Highlight]VI. S&U Scoring and Area-Specific Rules[/Highlight]

This category includes the following targets:
  • Level 85 areas (drops from the following monsters will not count, however: Baal, his minions, Diablo and the Seal bosses)
  • Pindleskin, Shenk, Eldritch, Thresh or Sharptooth
  • Cow level
You may freely switch back and forth between the targets above. The scoring below is the MFO lvl 85 area scoring table, and the scores will apply for S&U drops in all of the above areas since they share the same rarity ratios. (Though only the level 85 areas can drop all of these items of course.)

Score table:
Code:
Item                              Score
-------------------------------   -----
Tyrael's Might                     48.2
Death's Web                        27.9
Astreon's Iron Ward                27.8
Mang Song's Lesson                 27.8
Darkforce Spawn                    19.3
Stormlash                          17.0
Death's Fathom                     16.8
Ravenlore                          14.6
Dragonscale                        14.6
Spirit Keeper                      14.2
Schaefer's Hammer                  11.6
Griswold's Redemption              11.3
Cerebus' Bite                      11.0
Griffon's Eye                      10.7
Crown of Ages                      10.7
Templar's Might                    10.7
Steelrend                          10.7
Shadow Dancer                      10.7
Halaberd's Reign                   10.4
Boneflame                          10.4
Griswold's Honor                    9.8
Heaven's Light                      9.8
The Redeemer                        9.8
Death Cleaver                       9.3
Executioner's Justice               9.3
Windforce                           9.3
Ghostflame                          9.3
Gargoyle's Bite                     9.3
The Cranium Basher                  9.3
Earth Shifter                       9.3
Stormspire                          9.3
Steel Pillar                        9.3
The Grandfather                     9.3
Alma Negra                          9.1
Giant Skull                         8.1
Steel Carapace                      8.1
Spirit Ward                         8.1
Demonhorn's Edge                    7.9
Boneshade                           7.9
Ondal's Wisdom                      7.8
Azurewrath                          7.8
Arkaine's Valor                     7.8
Head Hunter's Glory                 7.8
Wolfhowl                            7.3
Blood Raven's Charge                6.7
Steel Shade                         6.6
Spike Thorn                         6.6
Soul Drainer                        6.6
Nosferatu's Coil                    6.6
Stoneraven                          6.0
Blackoak Shield                     5.9
Dracul's Grasp                      5.9
Arachnid Mesh                       5.9
Leviathan                           5.7
Veil of Steel                       5.7
Nightwing's Veil                    5.7
Medusa's Gaze                       5.7
Eaglehorn                           5.7
Horizon's Tornado                   5.7
Doombringer                         5.7
Warshrike                           5.7
M'avina's Caster                    5.2
Firelizard's Talons                 5.2
Stormshield                         5.0
Marrowwalk                          5.0
The Gladiator's Bane                4.9
Thunderstroke                       4.7
Messerschmidt's Reaver              4.6
Gut Siphon                          4.6
Fleshripper                         4.6
Stone Crusher                       4.6
Frostwind                           4.6
Eschuta's Temper                    4.6
Griswold's Valor                    4.3
Immortal King's Soul Cage           4.3
M'avina's True Sight                4.3
Natalya's Mark                      4.3
Cranebeak                           4.3
Widowmaker                          4.3
Wraith Flight                       4.3
Tomb Reaver                         4.3
Lacerator                           4.3
Andariel's Visage                   4.3
Verdungo's Hearty Cord              4.3
Harlequin Crest                     4.1
Ormus' Robes                        3.9
Sandstorm Trek                      3.9
Bul-Kathos' Sacred Charge           3.8
Bul-Kathos' Tribal Guardian         3.8
Razor's Edge                        3.6
Nord's Tenderizer                   3.5
Aldur's Deception                   3.3
Taebaek's Glory                     3.3
Trang-Oul's Guise                   3.3
Demon's Arch                        3.3
The Reaper's Toll                   3.3
Bloodmoon                           3.3
Flamebellow                         3.3
Tal Rasha's Guardianship            3.2
Trang-Oul's Girth                   3.2
Rune Master                         3.2
Baranar's Star                      3.2
Djinn Slayer                        3.2
Naj's Light Plate                   3.1
Naj's Puzzler                       3.1
Sazabi's Ghost Liberator            3.1
Jade Talon                          3.0
Demon Limb                          2.8
Gimmershred                         2.8
Hellslayer                          2.6
Hellrack                            2.6
Viperfork                           2.6
Lightsabre                          2.6
Ethereal Edge                       2.5
Windhammer                          2.5
Shadow Killer                       2.4
Ondal's Almighty                    2.3
M'avina's Embrace                   2.3
Wizardspike                         2.3
Bonehew                             2.3
Arioc's Needle                      2.3
Sazabi's Cobalt Redeemer            1.9
Credendum                           1.7
Natalya's Shadow                    1.7
Dark Adherent                       1.6
Laying of Hands                     1.4
Dangoon's Teaching                  1.3
Immortal King's Stone Crusher       1.0

This category includes Baal and the five waves. S&U drops from any other monsters do not count.

Score table:
Code:
Item                              Score
-------------------------------   -----
Tyrael's Might                    422.5
Death's Web                       231.0
Astreon's Iron Ward               230.4
Mang Song's Lesson                230.4
Darkforce Spawn                   172.2
Death's Fathom                    140.9
Griswold's Redemption              97.7
Griswold's Honor                   94.7
Griffon's Eye                      93.9
Crown of Ages                      93.9
Templar's Might                    93.9
Steelrend                          93.9
Shadow Dancer                      93.9
Death Cleaver                      76.8
Executioner's Justice              76.8
Windforce                          76.8
Ghostflame                         76.8
Gargoyle's Bite                    76.8
The Cranium Basher                 76.8
Earth Shifter                      76.8
Stormspire                         76.8
Steel Pillar                       76.8
The Grandfather                    76.8
Griswold's Valor                   39.8
Immortal King's Soul Cage          39.8
M'avina's True Sight               39.8
Natalya's Mark                     38.7
Bul-Kathos' Sacred Charge          32.6
Bul-Kathos' Tribal Guardian        32.6
Ravenlore                          19.5
Dragonscale                        19.5
Stormlash                          16.2
Schaefer's Hammer                  15.3
Spirit Keeper                      13.7
Halaberd's Reign                   11.0
Boneflame                          11.0
Giant Skull                        10.7
Spirit Ward                        10.7
Steel Carapace                     10.6
Cerebus' Bite                      10.6
Heaven's Light                      9.3
The Redeemer                        9.3
Alma Negra                          8.8
Demonhorn's Edge                    7.6
Boneshade                           7.5
Ondal's Wisdom                      7.5
Azurewrath                          7.5
Arkaine's Valor                     7.4
Head Hunter's Glory                 7.4
Wolfhowl                            7.0
Blood Raven's Charge                6.5
Steel Shade                         6.3
Spike Thorn                         6.3
Soul Drainer                        6.3
Nosferatu's Coil                    6.3
Messerschmidt's Reaver              6.1
Gut Siphon                          6.1
Fleshripper                         6.1
Stone Crusher                       6.1
Frostwind                           6.1
Leviathan                           6.0
Veil of Steel                       6.0
Nightwing's Veil                    6.0
Medusa's Gaze                       6.0
Stoneraven                          5.8
Dracul's Grasp                      5.7
Blackoak Shield                     5.6
Arachnid Mesh                       5.6
M'avina's Caster                    5.5
Eaglehorn                           5.4
Horizon's Tornado                   5.4
Doombringer                         5.4
Warshrike                           5.4
Firelizard's Talons                 5.0
Stormshield                         4.7
Marrowwalk                          4.7
The Gladiator's Bane                4.7
Cranebeak                           4.5
Widowmaker                          4.5
Wraith Flight                       4.5
Tomb Reaver                         4.5
Lacerator                           4.5
Thunderstroke                       4.5
Aldur's Deception                   4.5
Taebaek's Glory                     4.5
Trang-Oul's Guise                   4.5
Tal Rasha's Guardianship            4.5
Trang-Oul's Girth                   4.5
Eschuta's Temper                    4.4
Andariel's Visage                   4.1
Verdungo's Hearty Cord              4.1
Harlequin Crest                     3.9
Ormus' Robes                        3.7
Sandstorm Trek                      3.7
Razor's Edge                        3.4
Nord's Tenderizer                   3.4
Naj's Light Plate                   3.2
Naj's Puzzler                       3.2
Demon's Arch                        3.1
The Reaper's Toll                   3.1
Bloodmoon                           3.1
Flamebellow                         3.1
Rune Master                         3.1
Baranar's Star                      3.1
Djinn Slayer                        3.1
Sazabi's Ghost Liberator            3.1
Jade Talon                          2.9
Demon Limb                          2.6
Gimmershred                         2.6
Sazabi's Cobalt Redeemer            2.6
Hellslayer                          2.5
Hellrack                            2.5
Viperfork                           2.5
Lightsabre                          2.5
Ondal's Almighty                    2.5
M'avina's Embrace                   2.5
Ethereal Edge                       2.4
Windhammer                          2.4
Shadow Killer                       2.3
Wizardspike                         2.2
Bonehew                             2.2
Arioc's Needle                      2.2
Credendum                           1.7
Natalya's Shadow                    1.7
Dark Adherent                       1.6
Laying of Hands                     1.4
Dangoon's Teaching                  1.3
Immortal King's Stone Crusher       1.0

Only S&Us dropped by Nihl count.

Score table:
Code:
Item                              Score
-------------------------------   -----
Tyrael's Might                    439.7
Death's Web                       240.4
Astreon's Iron Ward               239.8
Mang Song's Lesson                239.8
Darkforce Spawn                   177.5
Death's Fathom                    145.2
Griswold's Redemption              97.9
Griffon's Eye                      97.7
Crown of Ages                      97.7
Templar's Might                    97.7
Steelrend                          97.7
Shadow Dancer                      97.7
Griswold's Honor                   91.2
Death Cleaver                      79.9
Executioner's Justice              79.9
Windforce                          79.9
Ghostflame                         79.9
Gargoyle's Bite                    79.9
The Cranium Basher                 79.9
Earth Shifter                      79.9
Stormspire                         79.9
Steel Pillar                       79.9
The Grandfather                    79.9
Griswold's Valor                   39.9
Immortal King's Soul Cage          39.9
M'avina's True Sight               39.9
Natalya's Mark                     37.3
Bul-Kathos' Sacred Charge          32.6
Bul-Kathos' Tribal Guardian        32.6
Ravenlore                          20.1
Dragonscale                        20.1
Stormlash                          16.9
Schaefer's Hammer                  15.9
Spirit Keeper                      14.2
Halaberd's Reign                   11.4
Boneflame                          11.4
Giant Skull                        11.1
Steel Carapace                     11.1
Spirit Ward                        11.1
Cerebus' Bite                      11.0
Heaven's Light                      9.7
The Redeemer                        9.7
Alma Negra                          9.1
Demonhorn's Edge                    7.9
Boneshade                           7.8
Ondal's Wisdom                      7.8
Azurewrath                          7.8
Arkaine's Valor                     7.7
Head Hunter's Glory                 7.7
Wolfhowl                            7.2
Blood Raven's Charge                6.7
Steel Shade                         6.6
Spike Thorn                         6.6
Soul Drainer                        6.6
Nosferatu's Coil                    6.6
Messerschmidt's Reaver              6.4
Gut Siphon                          6.4
Fleshripper                         6.4
Stone Crusher                       6.4
Frostwind                           6.4
Leviathan                           6.3
Veil of Steel                       6.2
Nightwing's Veil                    6.2
Medusa's Gaze                       6.2
Stoneraven                          6.0
Blackoak Shield                     5.9
Dracul's Grasp                      5.9
Arachnid Mesh                       5.9
Eaglehorn                           5.6
Horizon's Tornado                   5.6
Doombringer                         5.6
Warshrike                           5.6
M'avina's Caster                    5.3
Firelizard's Talons                 5.2
Stormshield                         4.9
Marrowwalk                          4.9
The Gladiator's Bane                4.9
Cranebeak                           4.7
Widowmaker                          4.7
Wraith Flight                       4.7
Tomb Reaver                         4.7
Lacerator                           4.7
Thunderstroke                       4.6
Eschuta's Temper                    4.6
Aldur's Deception                   4.5
Taebaek's Glory                     4.5
Trang-Oul's Guise                   4.5
Tal Rasha's Guardianship            4.5
Trang-Oul's Girth                   4.5
Andariel's Visage                   4.3
Verdungo's Hearty Cord              4.3
Harlequin Crest                     4.1
Ormus' Robes                        3.9
Sandstorm Trek                      3.9
Razor's Edge                        3.5
Nord's Tenderizer                   3.5
Demon's Arch                        3.2
The Reaper's Toll                   3.2
Bloodmoon                           3.2
Flamebellow                         3.2
Rune Master                         3.2
Baranar's Star                      3.2
Djinn Slayer                        3.2
Naj's Light Plate                   3.1
Naj's Puzzler                       3.1
Sazabi's Ghost Liberator            3.1
Jade Talon                          3.0
Demon Limb                          2.8
Gimmershred                         2.7
Hellslayer                          2.6
Hellrack                            2.6
Viperfork                           2.6
Lightsabre                          2.6
Sazabi's Cobalt Redeemer            2.6
Ethereal Edge                       2.5
Windhammer                          2.5
Ondal's Almighty                    2.5
M'avina's Embrace                   2.5
Shadow Killer                       2.4
Wizardspike                         2.3
Bonehew                             2.3
Arioc's Needle                      2.3
Credendum                           1.7
Natalya's Shadow                    1.7
Dark Adherent                       1.6
Laying of Hands                     1.4
Dangoon's Teaching                  1.3
Immortal King's Stone Crusher       1.0

UPDATE
These figures have been updated as of 2018-07-18 to correct for Nihlathak (weigted scores & adjustments) and the fact that Stone Crusher (an unequal pair) was not adjusted in the original score data.
You sir, are a genius.

Now I can clearly see that my qualifiers are numbers 1-5 in the list :p

No but seriously, thank you.
@ziambe No problem, did you want an Excel file?
Link to download Excel version
Thanks @ioupainmax! I prefer the alphabetical list and it's what was used in the previous tourneys, but I'll link to that in the first post for those who want to use that format.
@ffs please sense check my files in case I've botched it, was tired at the time...
In the list by @ioupainmax it says 'only S/U dropped by Nihl count'. How am I supposed to tell it dropped from Nihl, not a straggler around him? Also, I am killing a bit more stuff than in my usual routine, mainly to increase my rune drop chances, but also to make the runs more interesting. It would be a shame to not have those drops count.

And yes this means I have spent my first minutes in the tournament. 30 mins exactly. I still think it will be hard for me to finish full 20 hours.
@T72on1 Good morning to you too sir! ;)



You can check the item level in GoMule.



Runes count, but S&Us only from Mr. Nihl himself. It's the same as in the Baal category where only Baal's and wave monsters' S&Us count. This isn't new, it's the same in MFO. That's because they have their own relative rarities, and when I created the Nihl table from scratch it didn't take long to realize the same applies here. I didn't check, but I'd assume other Halls of Vaught monsters drop according to the Category 1 table (not the drop odds, but the rarity relative to IK Stone Crusher). So you'd have two completely different systems applicable that could theoretically lead to very random results.
@T72on1 I actually copied this from the first post in this thread, which ffs wrote (for reasons he's just described).

@ffs Do you have a copy of the file that was used to make the calculations for the points? I only ask as I get slightly different answers when I calculate the points with relative rarity to IK Stone Crusher. Perhaps I'm using a different drop calculator or perhaps you've rounded numbers or neatened up certain figures?
Doh, GoMule ilvl readout, of course. Sometimes I'm so short sighted ;).

I just checked the tables. Seems I was incredibly lucky when I got that DFathom and DWeb from Nihl a while ago. But maybe those were from stragglers too. I should check. Edit: yep, both from Nihl himself !!!
One hour in, 4 qualifiers. One of them was a meh grailer, but according to the drop table... worth many points!
@ioupainmax The Baal and lvl 85 etc. tables I copied from the last MFO. For Nihlathak I used the GoMule drop calculator and rounded to one decimal IIRC. Feel free to PM me if you see any issues or potentially wrong numbers.
Wouldn't players# change the drop chances for Nihlatak because of the keys though? Like how you want to run p1 countess for runes? (or maybe it's completely different, no idea :))

Actually that's nonsense... drop weight doesn't change...
Seems that I'm able to join after all. For a while it looked I might not have the time, but now I think I'm able to at least get a score. Sorry to sign up this late, hope it's still ok.

My original plan, back when the tourney was announced, was to run Pits with my untwinked Druid, but since I'm just half way to Enigma with him, and I'm spoiled by being able to teleport, I think I just run Pits with the Necro instead. Because this tournament obviously needs another Pit Necro :rolleyes:

Category 1
Targets:
Level 85 areas, Pindle+, Cow level
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ffs
PhineasB
Hutton
ioupainmax
NanoMist
RIP
CrustyRusty
smloeffelholz
pharphis
Pb_pal
Grape
mulligan
Locohead
ziambe
darkstarhub
Trappin'
Burgomaster3

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Category 2
Targets:
Baal & waves
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Friiser
ziambe
Shuffleblast

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Category 3
Target:
Nihlathak
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Yng
T72on1
Reporting in with a grand total of 0.5 in hours to start. RL has ramped up a bit so I doubt I'll finish a full set, but just wanted to say good luck to everyone! Looking forward to some nice haul pics in this one. :)
Close to 200 minutes so far and a couple of lousy runes :p I think i'm countering the good luck everyone is having so far!
30 minutes here :/
Off tonight/tomorrow, perhaps I can put some time in.
Eek, I should probably start playing, only done 1 hour-ish. Been too busy checking the scoring system.

Out of interest, does anyone recall a reason for halving the points Tyrael's gives sometime between February 2011 and July 2011 (Winter MFO 2011 and Summer MFO 2011)?

It seems that jjscud altered some points but I can't find the background information. @maxicek and some others were more active in those threads than I was at the time (I didn't play any tournaments or MFOs until this year), do you recall the reasons?

As far as I can tell, it may have been done to make things more competetive as Tyrael's was an auto-win in those days...
I wasn't around back then, but it makes scoring sense that unique items that share a common base should not have full points awarded based on its rarity. For example, consider the Cranium Basher and Earth Shifter- each item is twice as rare as a Windforce due to sharing the Thunder Maul base, but the chance to drop a unique Thunder Maul is the same as a unique Hydra Bow. Halving the score of Cranium Basher and Earth Shifter corrects this scoring imbalance where a unique Thunder Maul is worth twice that of a unique Hydra Bow. Why is it half? The correction factor is to divide by the number of unique items belonging to the common base, which in this case is 2.

Odds from Alvl 85 unique monster at 0 MF:
(From the german calc, more accurate)
IK Stone Crusher 1:11084
Crown of Ages 1:118682
Templar's Might 1:133518
Tyrael's Might 1:1068141

Crown of Ages 118682/11084 = 10.7
Templar's Might (133518/11084)/2 = 6.0
Tyrael's Might (1068141/11084)/2 = 48.2

If anything, Templar's Might should be worth less than the other 4 TC 87 armors that are worth 10.7 points, but I suppose that would just add salt to the wound. That's my guess as to why Templar's Might is still worth 10.7.
Just to check the math, the weighted average of Templar's and Tyrael's scores should be equal to the score of a unique Sacred Armor.
6.0*(8/9) + 48.2*(1/9) = 10.7 <- checks out. (Don't mind the rounding errors)
 

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@NanoMist Thanks, that makes a lot of sense.

EDIT 1: I've applied the weighted calculation and it does indeed correct most of the differences for base items with more than one Elite unique.

@ffs I guess we need to apply the same treatment to the Nihlathak scores?

There is a slight adjustment in the jjscud scores (as you already pointed out @NanoMist) and that is for pairs that have unequal weighting, the more common one is normalised to match an equivalent TC Armor/Weapon.

Item Name:

Templar's Might
Tyrael's Might

Horizon's Tornado
Stormlash

Lightsabre
Azurewrath

EDIT 2: @ffs I've sent you a PM of the corrected figures for Nihlathak (weighted for items with more than one unique for the base and adjusted in the same way that jjscud did for the 3 more common of each item in the pairs above).

EDIT 3: I missed one unequal pair, which is:

Stone Crusher
Schaefer's Hammer
I have put in about 3.5 hours so far. I do have 5 S/U items that qualify, but none of them score very high. The best drop that I have seen so far was an Ohm. Too bad it came from the super chest at the end of AT, so it doesn't count towards my score :(

I am having a lot more fun in this tournament than I thought I would. Real life is definitely getting in the way, so I doubt if I will come anywhere close to the 20 hour set. Still, I have found several items that are new to my collection so far. I have also re-geared my sorc so that her survivability is much better without sacrificing kill speed or MF.
On the subject of weighting, I was wondering why a Stormlash is worth so much more than a Schaefer's. Especially since a Scourge is TC 78 and a LMallet TC 84.
Yeah, it's because Scourge is unequally weighted, you're more likely to get Horizon's Tornado than a Stormlash. I've sent ffs the new figures, just waiting for him to confirm, will then alter the points for the Nihlathak table in the first post and my other post. You'll want to download the new figures as the table for Nihlathak that I posted above was using the unweighted figures from the 1st post.

EDIT:
Now that I've gone through the process of figuring out how the calculations were done (with help from @NanoMist and @ffs) would people find it helpful if I wrote a little guide covering the process so that we have some transparency about it as well as including scores for Nihlathak in the stickies. It would include the parameters used so that they could be recreated/verified by other people:
  • Which drop calculator/drop odds are used
  • Information about weighted odds for base items that have 2 uniques
  • Adjusted figures for edge cases (unequal weighted odds)
  • Excel files
  • Text files (aligned and versions sorted by score and alphabetically)
Thanks @ioupainmax and @NanoMist. Never crossed my mind to double-check the other tables, so I didn't realize there were corrections made for those items. I'm in the office till late in the evenings atm, but I'll try to confirm the adjusted numbers and update the first post tonight.
Ok, there I was happy to have found a Tyrael's and a Stormlash in my first hour of running, and now suddenly this weighted thingy comes up ... :rolleyes:

On a serious note though, @ioupainmax I appreciate all the streamlining of tables and other stuff like in this thread a lot !!! Thanks a ton :).

I managed to get one hour in yesterday. Similar to the RFL I won't be telling anything about amount of qualifiers found, not even hints about a lot of luck or instead, the contrary ;). To my surprise I was actually having fun, which wasn't the case for some time when I ran Nihl with my 99er Sorc. Probably because of the competitive element present now and the few changes I made to the Sorc, increasing my mf from ~114 to a bit over 200, while mostly keeping my survivability intact and only slightly decreasing my damage output.

First change I made was leaving out 2 of the 3 skillers I have on her. This only seemed to give a damage decrease on paper, as I seemed to be killing just as fast without. Which is no surprise vs non-FI Nihl, as he dies very fast in that case regardless. For (breakable) FI Nihl I was a bit afraid it would make a big difference, but even then it felt only a tad slower.

Second change was to get War Travelers instead of Aldur Boots. To make up for the loss in fire res, I added mf SCs with fire res to my inventory, instead of the skillers. I also changed one or two life SCs for some plain mf SCs. This way I ended up with a little less life (2400 after BO), same resists, similar damage output and 100% mf more, I think some 210% in total.

I also changed my usual routine a bit. I used to only kill Nihl, and often some creeps around him who would die from the Meteor impact and/or Fireballs thrown at Nihl. Now I start the fight with my usual Meteor on Nihl - Static a few times to get Nihl to 50% life routine. But instead of spamming Fireball at Nihl himself, I'm now aiming a bit to the left of Nihl first (where the most monsters are with my map and teleporting routine) to kill the creeps first, then focus fire on Nihl to finish him. Since I can already start casting Fireball before the Meteor hits, I don't loose that much time this way. I also kill Ghost type monsters if they are around (which is less often than I had hoped for) and other big packs if they are near the Nihl platform and things aren't too dangerous.

With all these changes I get a good amount of drops. I figured it would drop my xp rate significantly, but decided to focus on the outcome of the tournament for most part, and treat any xp gain as a bonus. Based on the three short session of yesterday, my xp rate is still at some 2.7M though, which is far better than expected, considering how much slower the runs felt.

Good luck to everyone, and especially @Yng , being the only other competitor in the Nihl category. My prediction is that we'll both do well, and have an endscore of at least 20 points ... ;).
Uhhhh @T72on1 don't tell us what you've found! Edit it please!

Ooops, didn't see the sarcasm, that will be my fault for scanning and not fully reading it!
Nanomist covered most of the reasoning, but here's the thread.
... he said more than 7 years ago, lol. D2 lasts forever confirmed :).
Thanks @maareek that is helpful, I'll need to go through it in more detail but I've already spotted an omission by me and jjscud from that thread.

@ffs @NanoMist, It appears that jjscud adjusted figures for the more common of the unequal pairs except for Stone Crusher. Stone Crusher Legendary Mallet (TC 84) should be the same score as Fleshripper in each category, i.e. should be:
A85: 4.6
Baal: 6.1
Nihlathak: 6.4

I'll have to update my files later.
@T72on1 I’d be happy with 0 points if it meant I finished a 20 hour set.
10 hours of running at with my blizz sorc behind me and it could have been better, cannot really complain but im pretty sure i will not have a winning chances :) Best non qualifier so far.
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pretty sure Vex runes count??
Yes they do...
Ayyy
EDIT: Note that drops from poppables only count for LK runes.
Ooh, must have missed that the Vex came from a chest, not paying attention clearly.
Yes guys, "unfortunately" it came from the sparkly chest, better luck next time :)
Seems there's a good amount of running going on, keep it up! I just realized there are three lvl 98 untwinked characters running, and four untwinked 99ers in total, awesome. Shame my current untwinked 99er Necro at 97, which is a weird spot for this tournament... except for Baaling I guess, but yeah, no... ;)

I'm ~8 hours in but won't be able to run more until next week, probably again going to be a last minute effort to finish the 20h set. I ended up settling for the 125% FCR, after all it's the first time I'm doing extended running with the PN Necro since crafting his 2/20, and generally 125% FCR is too much fun (though I'm still not sure whether 75% FCR/higher MF is better). ;)

I barely have time at the moment, but @ioupainmax stepped in and adjusted the tables including the changes mentioned above, thanks again! I'll try to go through it and update them as soon as I can, but might not be able to until the weekend, hope you guys don't mind the delay.
@ffs it's not urgent anyway, we have until the 29th to sort out scoring. It mainly affects Nihlathak runners, but they can see my updated post.
Although you haven't officially signed off on it, I updated it in anticipation since I knew you were busy. When you edit it into the 1st post, it will be 'official'.

EDIT: In any case, this is a good opportunity for other people to verify the figures. I'm sure someone will shout at me if there are any errors when they tot up their scores!
Had a little time today, slightly over 3 hours in now.
Best non qualifer and near ripperoni because I'm stupid.
 

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Finished pitzerking and moved on to javabaaling. I had almost forgotten how stingy baal can be...

How does XP compare with nihli for 96 to 97?
A little over 2 hours in and have a grailer! Even if I end up in last place I've had 2 hours of play time and I'm a grailer closer to finishing that project :)

Party on everyone!
A bit under 4 hours done, I finally have a qualifier in both Sets/Uniques and Runes. Next step, to get 5 qualifiers for both. And I've gained couple of mil XP, which at 98 is decent. But most importantly, I'm having fun :)
@Yng Congrats on the SoJ !!! And please don't die at this stage, it would be gruesome.

@ziambe Not sure, but as some people have already done a fair share of number crunching, and Nihl only ever gets mentioned at level 98, I assume other targets are better before that.

@Friiser Congrats !! How many more to go?

@Neksja Great, keep at it !! Will be interesting to see where you, Yng and me will be experience wise, after the tournament.

I hope to get some 3-4 hours in this afternoon.
Already received the first result, thanks for that exemplary reporting behaviour! I won't check and respond to them until I've finished running (because I can't bear the thought of others scoring higher! ;)) but nonetheless everyone feel free to send them to me ASAP once you're done running. Just note that once a result is submitted it will (irreversibly) count as the result for that category, i.e. further sets submitted would need to be in different categories.
I've still not done more than an hour...
Question: what with an item drop which you managed to screenshot, but not pick up, because the game crashed on you due to the Delirium bug? I assume it doesn't count, but just wanted to make sure.
Apparantly I missed this one. Such a guide sounds like a very good plan.
~30 minutes on break today, another juicy non-qualifier but this one is a grailer. :)
@Yng Nice, grats! That one eluded me for a long time until I found one last year. :)

Speaking of which, what items/grailers are you guys looking for personally? Apart from high scoring ones generally of course. :) I'm hoping for at least one of my grailers: (1) Tyrael's Might, (2) Astreon's Iron Ward, (3) Darkforce Spawn. Then there's Shadow Dancers which I consider grailer no. 3.5... Had it before, but deleted it for being ethereal... pre-GoMule times yay. :rolleyes:

@T72on1 Good question re Delirium bug. I'm afraid the only entirely "clean" rule is to not have it count indeed in such case. Otherwise there could be some uncertainty whether Nihl dropped it, and for uniques with the same base we wouldn't know which item it was..
@ffs Agreed, no problem. I forgot again about Nihl having to drop it, so you are absolutely right there. It also reminds me that I have to check my drops so far again, as early on I thought about checking the ilvl, but not my latest drops. The item in question was Arkaine's Valor btw, so nice but not the end of the world.

As to what items I'm looking for: indeed one of my grailers. Tyrael's would be insane of course (imagine it dropping and not having the appropriate ilvl ;)), but I'm mostly looking for SoJ (haven't found it since starting over here) and Griffon's (haven't found one in SC since starting over, and I'd love to have it to be able to run tournaments with other characters than I have up to now). Other than that the other items I have never ever found: Metalgrid, CoA and Earth Shifter.

Oh, and before I forget: why don't we have predictions yet? Geez people, get your act together !!!

Category 1 has almost all the best current SPF runners battling it out, so I just has to be epic. But as good as former tournament winners like @NanoMist and @Grape are, my bets are on one of the outsiders: @ioupainmax will win the category. He has been assisting here on the forums to such a great extent lately, and since karma exists (at least that's what my eldest son insists on) the drop gods will award him with truly epic drops. Unless @Neksja , who came out of hibernation all of a sudden but purposly didn't put his name in the table, to stay under the radar, takes away victory in a divine manner, killing monsters in the CS with his Blessed Hammers.

Category 2 ... hard one really, as Baal and his waves are so unpredictable. In the end @Friiser will take it home though. 6 years more experience at the SPF, and he has been notoriously quiet since the tournament started. We all know what that means ...

Category 3: I think both @Yng mainly care about xp and about staying alive at this stage of our character, but since it's not really polite to vote on myself, since I already had my share of luck in the RFL and since I won't be able to complete a 20 hour batch, it's clear that I won't be winning this category ;).
@T72on1 Thanks for the (misguided) trust in me, I should probably do some more running so I don't let you down, only completed just under 2 hours so far...
No worries ... I trust in quality over quantity ...
Andariel’s, Tal’s Amulet, and a second Shako/WTs. Experience is the most desired drop, though.
@ffs

So I am running in CS, what is the ruling for drops near the Seal Bosses? For example, I got a qualifier just now, which I know did not come from a Seal Boss (or it's minion), but because I couldn't get a screenshot before I killed the Seal Boss pack (excuse me for being rusty and not being able to do things like that yet), the item on the screenshot looks to be on top of the Seal Boss pack.

Are we going by trust or do you want clean screenshots for those as well? I don't really mind if I need to discard this qualifier or not, just wanted to get some clarity for the remaining 15 hours I have.

Also, rules for CS says "No Diablo, No Seal Boss", does the 'Seal Boss' include their minions? In case minions are fair game, might be easier to allow screenshots near the Seal Boss?


@T72on1 I don't think anyone should be concerned about me winning this thing. My Hammerdin has 211%MF which is not going to provide me many great drops in S/Us.


And since people have been posting non-qualifiers, I kinda liked this little charm I got within the first hour of running:

Code:
Fine Small Charm of Sustenance
Small Charm
Required Level: 21
Fingerprint: 0xb1413a12
Item Level: 85
Version: Expansion 1.10+
+3 to Maximum Damage
+13 to Attack Rating
+15 to Life
@Neksja As to whether an item dropped from a seal boss I'll trust it's reported correctly, no need for screenshots showing seal boss alive or something like that... Regarding their minions: Can't check this now but can someone confirm whether they have the same drop rates as regular CS mobs or do those differ? MFO rules state "not including seal boss packs", which I read as seal boss minion drops don't count either. Not sure about whether this is correct though. CS running would be quite tedious in that case, considering you actually want maps with further bosses near the seals..
Ten hours finished already, and as i said earlier, i'm very satisfied, no matter what will happen in the rest of the tourney...Very close to lvl 94, so i'm keeping my word to be at lvl 95 before summer ends, at least for now
speaking of fire.. the chest in AT dropped this beauty

Rainbow Facet
Jewel
Required Level: 49
Fingerprint: 0x145faa66
Item Level: 85
Version: Expansion 1.10+
100% Chance to cast level 29 Blaze when you Level-Up
Adds 17 - 45 Fire Damage
-5% to Enemy Fire Resistance
+5% to Fire Skill Damage
 

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Some four hours in, and I do have a score, albeit not a great one. Not expecting much, since I'm playing super casually. But maybe I'll get lucky, who knows.

I've been mostly playing with Necro. Gear is as follows:

Venomous Coronet of Magus 3pnb/20fcr (IstIst) / 1.13 Shako (-5 / +3 poison facet)
+2/10fcr crafted amulet with [email protected] and 9 MF
White Lich Wand (+3pnb/+2 poison nova) / HotO ([email protected])
Enigma Mage Plate
Spirit
Trang's Gloves
Arachnid Mesh
War Travelers (48MF)
Nagelring (29MF)
SoJ
Switch: CtA and Spirit

Inventory: 40MF Gheed's, 4 PnB Skillers, 4 SCs with life/mana/cold res, rest 7MF small charms

Merc: Act 2 Might with Guillaume's, Treachery and Infinity. Insight Iron Golem.

Build is your basic Poison, with extra points going to Golem Mastery. I don't have Death's Web, so I've been alternating with White/Coronet and HotO/Shako setups. Both setups give me 125FCR and 387MF. Both setups perform well, White being more offensive and HotO a bit safer. If I was a wise man, I'd cube out the Ist runes from the Coronet and use facets instead, but meh. Maybe at some point. As curses go, I use both Lower Resist and Amp, depending on mood. If I had DW, I'd probably just use Amp, since it sometimes works better alone even with this setup.

My goal was to level him up to 96 during the tourney, since he was already beyond the halfway point. It was going well for hour and a half, until I managed to teleport into the middle of two Fana/Might mobs and that was that. Really shouldn't play when tired. Corpse recovery was suicide mission, so I lost a bit of progress. Not a huge deal at 95-96, since the Pits still provide steady experience, but a bummer nonetheless.

I felt like I needed a bit of change, so I geared my Javazon for Pit running. Tested few different setups, and setted with this (a bit unorthodox) one:

Griffon's (-19 / +15 with facet)
+2/10fcr crafted amulet with 71mana and [email protected]
Jeweler's Monarch of Equilibrium with 3 facets (-14 / +12 ) and IAS jool
Eth upped Titan's (another in stash)
Enigma BP
LoH
Arachnid Mesh
War Travs (38MF)
10fcr/37mpk 1.07 ring
Raven Frost
Switch: CtA and Spirit

This gives me exactly 99fcr on switch, and 239MF on kill switch. It's ok, but the lack of Pierce is noticeable. Been having good fun with it though, and that's the most important thing, since I never felt comfortable with Pit Java.

Good luck everyone, hope those drops will provide!
Nice @Burgomaster3! Why LoH for Java though!? And glad you started running @pharphis. Now if I could only think of a good name for a Fissure Druid... ;) How's everyone else doing?

Managed to run a bit here and there, now at almost 10 hours. Like @Burgomaster3 I have been tweaking my Java a bit and will likely run her for a couple of hours as well, mentioned her basic setup here. With my first ever eth Titan's dropping recently and a second one following shortly, I'm looking forward to throwing these around for a bit (even though they barely make a difference ofc). :)

EDIT: Added the corrected tables to the first post, thanks for stepping in @ioupainmax!
2:40 in, nothing to write home about so far but I do have some points in the S&U portion of Category 2. Baal and his minions have been rune stingy, only a Shael so far. I've got my run time to about 4 minutes, perhaps it would be quicker if my merc had Guilliame's and Treachery instead of Andariels Visage and Fortitude. (he's using Infinity either way).
I am nearing the 10 hour mark, and I am enjoying my first tournament. I have always played pretty casually, so I have never taken the time to optimize running a map like this before. Now that I have it down, I am almost able to do AT on autopilot. The only thing that breaks the routine is the occasional screenshot, which really took some getting used to. When I found my first few items, I automatically plucked them up (old habits die hard). Hopefully it is OK that I just threw them back down for the screenshots. If things go well, I might not need those items on the S/U side anyway.

On another note, I have a general question. Are rune drop rates typically poor in AT? I have never done this before, but monsters seem to be especially stingy about dropping runes. I'm not even talking about qualifying runes. I'm keeping all of my tournament drops in a separate GoMule stash, and I was surprised by the low number of overall runes since I am not leaving any behind. Hopefully someone more familiar with AT running will know more about this.
A little less than 10 hours in, and my untwinked 99er Necro hit 96:
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One really dumb death set him back a bit, but he recovered the corpse. I was a bit too comfortable and was eating while running when 2x archer boss pack with might and fanaticism plus amp rolled in the big room on my map -- lesson learned. :rolleyes:

He was at 75 FCR breakpoint with Shako (317MF), and will switch to 125 FCR set up, which still leaves him at 225MF. I am hoping he will get past 96.25 over the last 10+ hours.

Best non-qualifiers are a FCR ring and eth Shaftstop:
Code:
Viper Finger
Ring
Required Level: 74
Fingerprint: 0x880854a7
Item Level: **
Version: Expansion 1.10+
Unidentified
+10% Faster Cast Rate
6% Mana stolen per hit
+17 to Strength
+18 to Mana
All Resistances +11

Shaftstop
Mesh Armor
Defense: 1023
Durability: 23 of 23
Required Level: 38
Required Strength: 82
Fingerprint: 0x994fac7c
Item Level: **
Version: Expansion 1.10+
Unidentified
+219% Enhanced Defense
+250 Defense vs. Missile
+60 to Life
Damage Reduced by 30%
Ethereal
Good luck to all the runners – I have a feeling the scores for this tourney will be special. :)
Viper Finger :eek:
Already reached my goal for this tourney - lvl 94 :)
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Also very satisfied with drops, already found 25 grailers which is very nice (although i've started with Grail around 50%, so its not difficult to get grailers at this stage), but most importantly got what i really needed for further adventures with this char...13 hours in, btw

GL to all runers ;)
Nice 99er progress there @PhineasB and @RIP!

@smloeffelholz As far as runes go, it comes down to killing as many monsters as possible per minute/whatever time measure. AT has rather low overall number of monsters in comparison to e.g. the Pit, so that's why somewhat fewer runes drop there.
Close to 13hrs completed, with varying results. I definitely have 5 qualifiers for both categories, but made the mistake of looking up Spring RFO results and read that nowadays you need multiple Zods to win these things. And combine that with MF drops? I won't stand a chance, but I am expecting the winner to find 3x Zod, Tyrael's and Mang's, at minimum.

I'm getting a bit faster with my runs, but I'm still averaging well below 2M/hr in XP, but at least I am getting XP. I need to read through my previous posts from 1-1.5 years ago here, to see what my ideal solution for reaching 99 was, I think I ruled Nihlathak out but can't remember.
Are people running Ancient Tunnels at /Players 1 or /Players8?
I'm not running AT, running in CS and I'm running /p7.

Since this is a combined RF and MF tournament, I'd go with the highest players setting you can handle without slowing you down too much. /p8 would be ideal since you maximize your chance of dropping runes. If it was pure MF tournament, I'd just go with /p1 and hit only bosses, but with RF included, I'd be more inclined to hit larger packs of regular monsters too to hopefully get a rune or few to drop.
^ This, except if you don't mind losing out on a little bit of XP, ideal setting is P7 because it's the same drops as P8 but slightly faster due to lower monster HP. Though depending on build and gear, P5 may be more efficient, namely if P5 runs are faster than P7 runs by ~13% (which is roughly the increase in drops from P5 to P7). EDIT: That's with rune drops in mind of course. After finding 5 Zods, it probably makes sense to run on a lower player setting to have a higher number of boss kills/minute to maximize S&U drops. ;)
After my 4th Zod from Baal I decided to stop running /p8 in order to give everyone else a chance.:p



...Then I awoke from my slumber and realized that that wasn't a zod, it was actually a breast plate, and there were in fact four of them.

I shall not miss you Baal!
Tested it just to get a little more edge against the archers, especially the odd unbreakable lightning immune. Felt ok so I left it as is. I felt the +3 javelin skills from gauntlets didn't do much at this point (LF lvl 37 without the Lancer's Gauntlets of Alacrity), since most of the mobs go down with one or two Lightning Furys anyway. It's probably just in my head, but LoH feels faster for me ;) Needs more testing still, I think. Maybe some more math-oriented person can provide some numbers about what matters more at these skill levels, +350% damage to demons or +3 to LF and CS.

Btw, am I right to assume, that if one kills mobs at Tamoe Highlands, the runes count but the S/U doesn't?
The ED applies only to physical damage, so overall 3/20s add a lot more damage in comparison. I definitely prefer the lightning damage boost always, last but not least to minimize the chances of a low roll (which can be very low due to lightning damage range). Though I don't know how to express that in numbers. ;) Personally I tend to skip unbreakable LIs anyway unless the Merc happens to hit them immediately...



I actually haven't thought of that regarding runes from other areas than the three main targets. But yes that is correct, the runes will count, no reason to treat runes any differently than for areas in RFL.
Meanwhile in the Throne of Destruction...
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Troll drops reaching new levels (and Javazon also!)
(Of course its from a random pack so it doesn't count :D :D)...
Still its my 5th one :(
Found another pretty cool non-qualifier today.

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Not the greatest roll, but I'm not going to complain. I still have about 9 hours left, and my sorceress has already gone from lvl 86 to lvl 91. I don't know what is taking some of you guys so long just to get one level... :rolleyes:;)
Had some time to run yesterday, now at ~14 hours. I recorded and analyzed a ~30 min batch of runs and I was wondering whether I should change the approach a bit, so I thought I'd share some thoughts here. This is the data from those runs:
  • Build/target: PN Necro (125% FCR, ~330 MF) running Pits
  • Boss packs: ~6.72 average per run. Could be higher, but I like the map because it's super small (see vid above) and I'll stick with it, at the very least for this event.
  • P7 Pit run times: 1m8s average. Also timed runs on P5 (though admittedly only a handful) which came in ~5s faster, so P7 seems more efficient.
  • P7 seconds per boss pack: ~10.1
Now about that last number, in conjunction with killing big groups without bosses... I do that, but I'd be interested in how others handle this. I'd estimate runs could easily be in the ~55s range if I only killed bosses (and mobs around them), which would mean ~8 seconds per boss pack and a ~20% increase in S&U drops. However, I'd also estimate the overall amount of kills (and thus rune drops, statistically) to go down by a similar amount. So I'm not sure which makes more sense.

I guess depending on whether you're more satisfied with your S&U or your rune score at a given time, one or the other could make more sense individually. But I'm wondering whether one approach is better in theory overall. How do you guys go about this?
After numerous electrifying hours in the throneroom, my Javabaaling is complete. Time to cool off with some blizztunneling as I move on to the third and final phase of my plan for world domin...er mf/rf tourney domination...yes that's it...

@ffs with options like LK to farm runes and the fact that I am looking for 1 item only i wouldn't consider /p7'ing a level 85 area for even a moment. I am not worried so much about efficiency as simply achieving my goal of finding 2 sacred armors before the end of the year...and the MF/RF tourney is a rather convenient way to grind out some hours towards this end...

@Friiser and @Shuffleblast I hope old Baal was nicer to you guys than he was to me. I will be taking a much need baal-cation after that 'session'!
I'm also clearing bosses/large mobs, which I feel is the balanced approach. Unless I have a large disparity in S/U vs rune quality, I'll stay with this approach. I'm only at 5 hours right now, time to catch up this week!
 

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So I made a goal to get back to where I was before I got man handled by Might Vipers tonight. Making good progress in that regard but I had to stop what I was doing immediately to post this. Too bad it dropped from a trash mob instead of Nihlathak, but at least that means I don't have to wait to post it!

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HAHAHAHAHAA so ****ing hyped. -15/14 roll but I could care less!
I'm so excited that I'm forcing myself to take a 10 minute break to calm down before I riperoo again.

@Yng Grats, that's a very convenient drop for a Lightning Sorc! :) Maybe this will just enable you to hit 4m/h, IIRC you already came close without it.

@ziambe Generally I'm also more interested in finishing the grail than in finding runes, but there's the upcoming MFO to solely focus on that. :) For this format, area running on high player settings should net better overall results than running P1 for S&Us. I was just wondering whether to hit large groups also if there's no boss pack spawning with them.
Some 9 hours in, no way I'm going to be able to do the full 20 hours. Still having fun though, and I did hit the 3400M mark, so that's a nice milestone. Only 120M xp to go ...
@ffs The best I got was 3.9m/hour but since then I've been aborting much more/playing more safe in general. I had convinced myself that it would be better for the long run to not push the issue too much but maybe after this I'll give it another go with a new map and setup. Unfortunately I'll have to lose my great map to socket the Griffon's. Don't plan on doing it until this is over as I lose the only 50 MF I have from Shako.

I'm about 7 1/2 hours in but I have the next two days off. Don't think I'll hit 20 hours either but I can surely push the XP bar a bit further.
Agreed, definitely safety first. That reminds me, after hitting 99 with safety being less of an issue, I wanted to see about that Hall of Records category... ;) Speaking of Nihl running, glad to hear about your progress @T72on1! You've saved Ancients right, so that means 60m to go from Nihl? So close, gogogo!
It’s 40m from Hell Ancients.
E: also I think it’s completely possible to push 5m/hour with a really nice setup and no delay.
I'm not sure I'll get more than 2 hours of running done :(

Been a combination of busy, unwell and not feeling up to running (waning interest) along with mouse tracking issues. Sorry @T72on1, you may wish to amend your prediction as it doesn't look like I will manage even half of the 20 hours at this point.

I think I'll bow out now as time is slipping away. Best of luck to the other runners!
@Yng Yeah right, 80m of course! Insane XP shrine streaks aside, I doubt 5m is possible on average... But ever since running Nihl I wondered what a fully twinked Lightning Sorc can deliver. Can't test XP gain in practice for lack of another 98 Sorc, but I'd be looking more at speed anyway, as opposed to XP gain (which is not necessarily the same when skipping shrines, extended teleporting etc.).

Sad to hear it @ioupainmax, but again thanks for your help with the tables! If you change your mind, there's still a couple of days left. ;)
Maybe... if I don't melt before then!
@ffs I did save Ancients to 98, but did the quest right away then, or at least after some test runs. So still some 40 hours to go I'm afraid.

@Yng 5M/hour is very high. Then again @Grape managed 3.5M/hour on his fire Sorc iirc, and he didn't push the limits for xp gain, still picking up quite some stuff, and he did have S/E delays I think. So 5M/hour? Probably not quite, but 4.5M ... definitely.

@ioupainmax Sorry to hear that. Hope you'll feel better soon. Not sure if it's as hot where you live as it is in Belgium ... but if that is the case and you are somewhat like me, who can't stand hot temperatures well, that might be the cause of you not feeling too well.
@T72on1 Yep, I don't like the heat, I generally don't sleep well, so this makes things much worse.
Well I won't make it to a full set, but I'm going to try my darndest to make it to a half-set and hopefully drum up a not-last-place score. Still super excited to see all the hauls though, and see which builds performed better for runes vs mf.

gogogogogo
This kind of theorycrafting probably belongs more in the 99er thread, but it's an interesting question while we're at it. :)

The last session I timed pre-99 on my Lightning Sorc extrapolated to just over 4.4m XP/h. I had previously recorded a ~4.2m session in which I got zero XP shrines, so that's probably very close to my actual average with statistically normal XP shrine frequency. I had no S&E delay, ran on a very nice 2 shrine map, and had run times around ~19 seconds.

Now a shrine statistically adds 2.5% XP. So based on that, ~4.6m (and perhaps more) should be possible on a perfect 3 shrine map. But that's basically a map will all shrines directly en route and no time whatsoever lost by checking any of them. Kind of ironically, this is even harder the faster the runs are. For example, 19s runs on a 2-shrine map will be more efficient than 19.5s runs on a 3-shrine map (and any difference in between will be less than the 2.5% XP increase in any case). Credit to the great theorycrafting by @NanoMist regarding XP shrines for Nihl running in this post by the way.

So to hit 5 million XP/hour, based on 23,000 XP per run and 2.5% additional XP per shrine, the following run times are necessary on average, that's including breakable immune rolls and S&Eing the occasional unbreakable roll (S&Es due to dangerous situations need to be factored in on top):

- Checking 0 shrines: 16.56 seconds (for comparison and if e.g. using extended teleport)
- Checking 2 shrines: 17.38 seconds
- Checking 3 shrines: 17.80 seconds

Is it possible to get there? At least in practical terms, I say no... Tried for ~100 hours after all. ;) At some point there's really only split seconds to be gained. Even with a perfect 3-shrine map and fully decked Sorc, I'd expect to hit a wall around ~4.7-4.8m or so...
To clarify, I meant that 5m/hour is achievable with and only with shrine luck. Definitely not realistic without RNG and not for extended periods of running (I only view batches of 10m when evaluating xp/hour). ~17s runs are defintely possible even with no Griffon’s/1 Lightning GC.
@ffs you mentioned that rune drops from Tamoe Highlands count for those running Pit.
Do rune drops from trash mobs count for the Nihlathak runners? Just realizing that its really hard to tell if Nihlathak dropped a rune sometimes because he teleports and there's no ilvl display for runes.
Definitely, short-term it should be possible to peak at 5m/h numbers with high number of XP shrines and low number LI rolls. The XP meter app doesn't work for me so I never was able to track that.



Yes, rune drops count from all monsters. Essentially like RFL with the exception that LK runes count as well.
@Yng grats! what a great find!
4:20 in and Baal is a jerk, minus the grailer, of course... but otherwise a stingy lousy stinkin' no good jerk.
A little under 10.5 hours in. I'm starting to have just the slightest bit of hope for hitting the full 20 hours, mostly thanks to drops motivating me. Speaking of which, here's another saucy non-qualifier. Did I mention I have 50 MF?
Couldnt help but log in to congratulate @Yng on ur griffons! =D ik uve been waiting for one for a long while lol.

Does this mean no more salty comments on how every pindle runner gets a griffons and u dont? =P
 

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@Gynli I suppose I can start seasoning the Sparking Grand Charm posters now. Still 1 strong.
Just to be double triple super sure, rune drops also count from throne room boss packs?
20 hours in CS. Blargh. I doubt I'll finish dead last, but it's not gonna be far from it. Or if I am in top ranked, I am sorry for everyone else's drops :(

I am working from home the rest of the week, so I might have some extra time to keep running. So, since the untwinked 99 runners @T72on1 and @Yng are both running Nihlathak, I might as well give them a bit of a scare too and try to finish a set there. Probably won't finish a full set but maybe I can do a super lucky half set and push those two to run better and find better qualifiers (no more Griffon's, I need one too)
@ziambe Confirmed!

@Neksja Switching to Nihl for fun past 98.5 to give others a scare? Nice! :)

I am almost done, 2.5 hours to go. After a good start, drops have been terrible for the last ~8-10 hours really. So here's me complaining in hopes of a strong finish. :)
I'll take over those salty comments. Still no Griffon's for me, and I so badly want one !!!

@Neksja Good luck running Nihl. He isn't that hard once you get used to him, but before that it's not easy. So don't get yourself killed. Are you going to do it with your Hammerdin, respec him to a Telesmiter for the job or take another character? Edit: nvm, saw in the 99er thread that you are doing it with your Hammerdin.
@ffs you gotta have some fun right? No point in the grind if it's boring!

@T72on1 yeah running with Hammerdin as it is. Since I'm not fully committed to running Nihl for the last <0.5 levels, I might return back to CS at some point. And there's been some whispers about a proper MFO coming up, which is where I think Hammerdin would be a great overall character to use so can't be fussed respecing. And I'm not sure if I have any respecs left, if I do that would require a map reroll due to changing difficulty and my current map is not amazing but okay-great for LK, CS and Nihl. Also, Aura has been a Hammerdin since I unlocked Blessed Hammer skill at lvl18, so it would feel like a betrayal to change builds for the final push.
@Yng – congrats on the Griffons. Well deserved, and it sounds like it’s made Nihl running more engaging for you. That’s nice when part way into 98, just to help focus on plugging away for the final level. :)

My necro is 15 hours in and on track to be past 96.33 at the end of the 20-hour set. As mentioned at the last update, he went back to 125 FCR setup for the first hour and a bit.

But he was averaging only 10-15 seconds faster per run, in part due to a loss of +skill due to only have +1 skill circlet compared to +2 on Shako. Given this tourney format, I decided to go back to 75 FCR set up and higher MF, now over 350 MF with a pair of War Travelers found shortly after last update.

After finishing this set, and when MF no longer matters, he will go back to 125 FCR set up and focus on moving as efficiently as possible to level 97. At the current rate, it should be less than 30 hours total to complete the level in the Pit. Two non-qualifier upgrades for his gear, plus two more nice finds:
Code:
Fungal Grand Charm
Grand Charm
Required Level: 42
Fingerprint: 0xab3193b9
Item Level: 85
Version: Expansion 1.10+
+1 to Poison and Bone Skills (Necromancer Only)

Shimmering Small Charm of Greed
Small Charm
Required Level: 25
Fingerprint: 0x3f26e2b4
Item Level: 85
Version: Expansion 1.10+
All Resistances +5
7% Extra Gold from Monsters

Burning Grand Charm of Balance
Grand Charm
Required Level: 42
Fingerprint: 0xed9518
Item Level: 85
Version: Expansion 1.10+
Unidentified
+1 to Fire Skills (Sorceress Only)
+12% Faster Hit Recovery

Fletcher's Grand Charm of Sustenance
Grand Charm
Required Level: 42
Fingerprint: 0xe06ffd08
Item Level: **
Version: Expansion 1.10+
Unidentified
+1 to Bow and Crossbow Skills (Amazon Only)
+21 to Life
So, yeah, he’s at six skillers now, which best my other three untwinked 99ers, which includes two completed and one at level 98. So that’s pretty amazing. :D Sorry @Yng!

Good luck to everyone trying to finish up a set (or sets). I should finish up by Friday, and then will be able to focus on getting the pally to 98.25 and progressing my zon so she’s ready to Pindle for MFO in late August.
Every Pindle runner heh?

For the record, it took me 33,575 pindle runs to find my first griffon's. And it rolled 15/10. Still one of the happiest moments in my D2 career.
I've only now started running again and I might not be able to finish the full 20 hours, I'm 5 hours in... I'll try though.

Baal is doing his thing as usual, it took him 3 hours to drop me an IK maul... does this count as a spoiler? Atma's scarab got me more excited, since it was probably a grailer for me (I remember using atma+buriza in 1.09, but maybe I traded for it). As for runes, I'll probably have to spend a bit of time in LK or travi at some point. ^^
Grats @PhineasB! Can't mention often enough how ridiculous that gear on your untwinked 99er Necro is. :eek::eek: Probably better than most twinked Novamancers by virtue of Death's Web and the 2/20 amulet alone, plus 6 skillers by now!? Crazy. I need to get back to my 99er Necro after this tourney ends to give you some competition in terms of progress at least. ;)

As for Griffon's, took my 99er Sorc 4 pindle runs. :p :D
Right, I'll drop out of the Nihl category. Or I can just stay in it with my 6.5 hours and take the last place to make the runner-up feel better for not finishing last.

I've been scared away from Nihl with the bugged Tomb Vipers. XP was a little bit better but not enough to take the risk of instadying, which to be honest I have not been close yet, but considering that I did 6.5hrs already in there, I don't like my chances of that not happening in the next 65+ HOURS that it takes to finish my 99er. Back to CS it is! Though I'm not running for a second set.

@ffs I'll send you my top 5s later in the week.

Good luck everyone who are still squeezing in more runs!
This one was cute.
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Code:
Felloak
Club
One Hand Damage: 1 - 15
Durability: 13 of 13
Required Level: 3
Fingerprint: 0xc84f102f
Item Level: 95
Version: Expansion 1.10+
Unidentified
77% Enhanced Damage
+150% Damage to Undead
Adds 6 - 8 Fire Damage
Knockback
Lightning Resist +60%
Fire Resist +20%
Ethereal

Nice addition to my eth grail. Funny thing is, Nihl already dropped me eth Torch of Iro and eth Rixot's Keen as well.

Edit: and an upgrade for Neverland (up from 23% res all):

Code:
Mara's Kaleidoscope
Amulet
Required Level: 67
Fingerprint: 0xcbf6314c
Item Level: 95
Version: Expansion 1.10+
Unidentified
+2 to All Skills
All Stats +5
All Resistances +27
Well I hit my "goal" of finishing a half-set and submitted my score. Keep running folks and I look forward to see how everyone finishes! Thanks again to @ffs for hosting!
I am surprised how difficult it is to get used to running tunnels after running a pitzerker for so long...
I think I’m at ~13.5 hours now. Going to need a big Saturday or I won’t be able to finish the full set.
Set finished and results sent. The 20-hour set saw Pestilence come up 1.2M short of 2.8B, or only 4M or so short of 96.35. So a very productive tourney regardless of the drops! :D

Best non-qualifiers over the last 5 hours was a 40 MF Gheeds very early on, which was a +8MF improvement over his best one so far.
Code:
Gheed's Fortune
Grand Charm
Required Level: 62
Fingerprint: 0x6172d98e
Item Level: **
Version: Expansion 1.10+
142% Extra Gold from Monsters
Reduces all Vendor Prices 11%
40% Better Chance of Getting Magic Items
He also picked up a HoZ, which for whatever reason is still a really cool drop for me (likely because it took a looong time to find my first after each of my restarts). Not much to share beyond that. Good luck to everyone still finishing up sets :)

I went ahead and got to a round 2.83M after the set ended before switching to the 125 FCR setup. I think he’ll hit 96.5 before focusing on Phaedrus and progressing the Zon in advance of MFO. Speaking of which, MFO hype!
I still haven't found a HoZ and I need one! Nice find
Finished my set as well yesterday. Some interesting non-qualifiers:

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Apart from that, 15/15 life/mana SC, two average facets (poison and fire) and a Wisp Projector (11/18).

I ended up running PN Necro almost exclusively, with the exception of 2-3 hours with Pit Barb, first WW on P8 and then some P1 Berserk towards the end... to actually warm up for the MFO. ;) Also did a few test runs with 99er Necro and Javazon, but for negligible amounts of time only.

I'll probably get back to my 99er Necro for a bit and am considering joining for a couple of Baal runs with him, if I find some time to run him this weekend.

EDIT: I realized a qualifier (albeit low scoring one) showed in one of the screenshots, removed that one. :)
@ffs Results sent!
14:30 played, that will be all for me I'm afraid. Had a lot of fun, and good xp progress, getting me close to the 'only 100M left' mark.

Sending results in a minute.

Edit: for some reason I thought this finishes this evening, but it seems we have time until Sunday evening. There is a small chance I'll get some more time in on Sunday, so not sending results yet. Sorry for the confusion.
 

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I'll probably not get 20 hours in, although counting muling time I'm closer than I normally get in a tournament, lol.
A little over 16 hours in and I’m pretty sure I’ll be able to finish the full set!

Also strapped on that shiny new Griffon’s and man is this such a big difference on LE rolls. I actually had a 21 second LE Nihlathak kill.. only 6 MF now from the MF/LR SC I had to swap in to hit 75 LR.
A couple hours too late, but I figured I'd post for inspiration to those who are still trying to finish up:
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Worst possible roll on the +skills, but whatever :D
Code:
Darkforce Spawn
Bloodlord Skull
Defense: 394
Chance to Block: 0
Durability: 11 of 20
Required Level: 64
Required Strength: 106
Fingerprint: 0x45b5e72d
Item Level: **
Version: Expansion 1.10+
Unidentified
+1 to Summoning Skills (Necromancer Only)
+1 to Poison and Bone Skills (Necromancer Only)
+1 to Curses (Necromancer only)
+30% Faster Cast Rate
+165% Enhanced Defense
Increase Maximum Mana 10%
20 hours finished and results sent

I've divided my time to two areas, Pindle (p5) and LK (p7), although considering terrible results from LK, i should stick with Pindle area only (even for runes)

Anyway, if anyone is interested, here is gear of my HC (one day maby) untwincked lvl 99 assasin, its fairly un-optimized for MFing, but thats all i had :)


Character:

Code:
Heart of the Oak
Knout
'KoVexPulThul'
One-Hand Damage: 13 to 35
Durability: 30 of 30
Required Dexterity: 73
Required Strength: 82
Required Level: 55
Mace Class - Fast Attack Speed
Item Version: 1.10+ Expansion
Item Level: 79
Fingerprint: 0x22d0273f
+10 to Dexterity
All Resistances +34
Adds 3-14 cold damage over 3 seconds
7% Mana stolen per hit
Replenish Life +20
Increase Maximum Mana 15%
40% Faster Cast Rate
75% Damage to Demons
150% Damage to Undead
+100 to Attack Rating against Demons
+3 to All Skill Levels
Level 4 Oak Sage (25/25 Charges)
Level 14 Raven (60/60 Charges)
Socketed (4: 4 used)



Viper Brow
Circlet
Defense: 23
Durability: 25 of 35
Required Level: 67
Item Version: 1.10+ Expansion
Item Level: 89
Fingerprint: 0x54ad9b39
+34 to Life
+50 to Mana
Attacker Takes Damage of 5
25% Better Chance of Getting Magic Items
+2 to Assassin Skill Levels


Wealth
Dusk Shroud
'LemKoTir'
Defense: 442
Durability: 13 of 20
Required Strength: 77
Required Level: 49
Item Version: 1.10+ Expansion
Item Level: 79
Fingerprint: 0x68974e33
+10 to Dexterity
300% Extra Gold from Monsters
100% Better Chance of Getting Magic Items
+2 to Mana After Each Kill
Socketed (3: 3 used)


Mara's Kaleidoscope
Amulet
Required Level: 67
Item Version: 1.10+ Expansion
Item Level: 86
Fingerprint: 0xcc61b10a
+5 to Strength
+5 to Energy
+5 to Dexterity
+5 to Vitality
All Resistances +24
+2 to All Skill Levels


Rhyme
Bone Shield
'ShaelEth'
Defense: 22
Chance to Block:  60%
Smite Damage: 3 to 6
Durability: 35 of 40
Required Strength: 25
Required Level: 29
Item Version: 1.10+ Expansion
Item Level: 20
Fingerprint: 0xe5fe34ff
+20% Increased Chance of Blocking
Regenerate Mana 15%
All Resistances +25
50% Extra Gold from Monsters
25% Better Chance of Getting Magic Items
40% Faster Block Rate
Cannot Be Frozen
Socketed (2: 2 used)


Trang-Oul's Claws
Heavy Bracers
Defense: 68
Durability: 14 of 16
Required Strength: 58
Required Level: 45
Item Version: 1.10+ Expansion
Item Level: 86
Fingerprint: 0xb4efc5d7
+30 Defense
Cold Resist +30%
20% Faster Cast Rate
+2 to Curses (Necromancer Only)
+25% to Poison Skill Damage


M'avina's Tenet
Sharkskin Belt
Defense: 81
Durability: 12 of 14
Required Strength: 20
Required Level: 45
Item Version: 1.10+ Expansion
Item Level: 86
Fingerprint: 0x7e6c6f2c
+50 Defense
5% Mana stolen per hit
+5 to Light Radius
20% Faster Run/Walk

***Partial Set Item Bonuses***
All Resistances +25
***Partial Set Item Bonuses***



Aldur's Advance
Battle Boots
Defense: 45
Kick Damage: 37 to 64
Required Strength: 95
Required Level: 45
Indestructible
Item Version: 1.10+ Expansion
Item Level: 87
Fingerprint: 0xe38226f1
+50 to Life
+180 to Maximum Stamina
Heal Stamina Plus 32%
Fire Resist +49%
40% Faster Run/Walk
10% Damage Taken Goes to Mana
Indestructible

***Partial Set Item Bonuses***
+15 to Dexterity
+15 to Dexterity
+15 to Dexterity
***Partial Set Item Bonuses***



Eagle Grasp
Ring
Required Level: 74
Item Version: 1.10+ Expansion
Item Level: 86
Fingerprint: 0xccaa1549
Lightning Resist +10%
Poison Resist +7%
6% Mana stolen per hit
10% Faster Cast Rate
+1 to Mana After Each Kill



Bul-Kathos' Wedding Band
Ring
Required Level: 58
Item Version: 1.10+ Expansion
Item Level: 80
Fingerprint: 0x13304e04
+50 to Maximum Stamina
5% Life stolen per hit
+1 to All Skill Levels
+0 to Life (Based on Character Level)


Call to Arms
Double Axe
'AmnRalMalIstOhm'
One-Hand Damage: 19 to 50
Durability: 24 of 24
Required Strength: 43
Required Level: 57
Axe Class - Very Fast Attack Speed
Item Version: 1.10+ Expansion
Item Level: 80
Fingerprint: 0x116be258
+285% Enhanced Damage
Adds 5-30 fire damage
7% Life stolen per hit
Replenish Life +12
30% Better Chance of Getting Magic Items
40% Increased Attack Speed
+3 to Battle Orders
+1 to Battle Cry
+2 to Battle Command
Prevent Monster Heal
+1 to All Skill Levels
Socketed (5: 5 used)



Ancients' Pledge
Kite Shield
'RalOrtTal'
Defense: 27
Chance to Block:  28%
Smite Damage: 2 to 5
Durability: 30 of 30
Required Strength: 47
Required Level: 21
Item Version: 1.10+ Expansion
Item Level: 19
Fingerprint: 0xd66694a1
+50% Enhanced Defense
Fire Resist +48%
Lightning Resist +48%
Cold Resist +43%
Poison Resist +48%
10% Damage Taken Goes to Mana
Socketed (3: 3 used)


Mercenary:


Code:
Infinity
Cryptic Axe
'BerMalBerIst'
Two-Hand Damage: 196 to 904
Durability: 33 of 33
Required Dexterity: 93
Required Strength: 155
Required Level: 63
Polearm Class - Slow Attack Speed
Item Version: 1.10+ Expansion
Item Level: 80
Fingerprint: 0x74a59e15
+302% Enhanced Damage
30% Better Chance of Getting Magic Items
35% Faster Run/Walk
Prevent Monster Heal
40% Chance of Crushing Blow
Level 12 Conviction Aura When Equipped
50% Chance to cast Level 20 Chain Lightning When You Kill an Enemy
Level 21 Cyclone Armor (16/30 Charges)
+0 to Vitality (Based on Character Level)
-49% to Enemy Lightning Resistance
Ethereal (Cannot be Repaired), Socketed (4: 4 used)


Guillaume's Face
Winged Helm
Defense: 217
Durability: 22 of 40
Required Strength: 115
Required Level: 34
Item Version: 1.10+ Expansion
Item Level: 66
Fingerprint: 0x4eb2c664
+15 to Strength
+120% Enhanced Defense
30% Faster Hit Recovery
35% Chance of Crushing Blow
15% Deadly Strike


Treachery
Wire Fleece
'ShaelThulLem'
Defense: 1045
Durability: 17 of 17
Required Strength: 101
Required Level: 53
Item Version: 1.10+ Expansion
Item Level: 85
Fingerprint: 0xc10314ec
Cold Resist +30%
50% Extra Gold from Monsters
+2 to Assassin Skill Levels
45% Increased Attack Speed
20% Faster Hit Recovery
25% Chance to cast Level 15 Venom on striking
5% Chance to cast Level 15 Fade when struck
Ethereal (Cannot be Repaired), Socketed (3: 3 used)


Charms:


Code:
Shimmering Grand Charm of Strength
Keep in Inventory to Gain Bonus
Required Level: 27
Item Version: 1.10+ Expansion
Item Level: 52
Fingerprint: 0xeca0afb7
+5 to Strength
All Resistances +15


Entrapping Grand Charm of Greed
Keep in Inventory to Gain Bonus
Required Level: 42
Item Version: 1.10+ Expansion
Item Level: 80
Fingerprint: 0x4b777b3f
26% Extra Gold from Monsters
+1 to Trap Skills (Assassin Only)


Entrapping Grand Charm
Keep in Inventory to Gain Bonus
Required Level: 42
Item Version: 1.10+ Expansion
Item Level: 80
Fingerprint: 0x963fefd5
+1 to Trap Skills (Assassin Only)


Ruby Large Charm of Sustenance
Keep in Inventory to Gain Bonus
Required Level: 34
Item Version: 1.10+ Expansion
Item Level: 80
Fingerprint: 0x9f1b3a21
+21 to Life
Fire Resist +14%


Cobalt Large Charm of Life
Keep in Inventory to Gain Bonus
Required Level: 18
Item Version: 1.10+ Expansion
Item Level: 80
Fingerprint: 0x2e261fce
+15 to Life
Cold Resist +12%



Coral Large Charm of Vita
Keep in Inventory to Gain Bonus
Required Level: 50
Item Version: 1.10+ Expansion
Item Level: 80
Fingerprint: 0xea39e1bb
+27 to Life
Lightning Resist +12%


Amber Large Charm of Sustenance
Keep in Inventory to Gain Bonus
Required Level: 27
Item Version: 1.10+ Expansion
Item Level: 80
Fingerprint: 0xb6d50afa
+20 to Life
Lightning Resist +15%


Shimmering Small Charm of Sustenance
Keep in Inventory to Gain Bonus
Required Level: 25
Item Version: 1.10+ Expansion
Item Level: 80
Fingerprint: 0xfbf54086
+12 to Life
All Resistances +5



Azure Small Charm of Vita
Keep in Inventory to Gain Bonus
Required Level: 39
Item Version: 1.10+ Expansion
Item Level: 86
Fingerprint: 0xbc375161
+20 to Life
Cold Resist +4%



Sapphire Small Charm of Fortune
Keep in Inventory to Gain Bonus
Required Level: 32
Item Version: 1.10+ Expansion
Item Level: 84
Fingerprint: 0xfcf354ad
Cold Resist +10%
5% Better Chance of Getting Magic Items



Snake's Small Charm of Good Luck
Keep in Inventory to Gain Bonus
Required Level: 33
Item Version: 1.10+ Expansion
Item Level: 86
Fingerprint: 0x7921ed6b
+9 to Mana
7% Better Chance of Getting Magic Items



Ruby Small Charm of Fortune
Keep in Inventory to Gain Bonus
Required Level: 32
Item Version: 1.10+ Expansion
Item Level: 85
Fingerprint: 0xac998aa
Fire Resist +11%
5% Better Chance of Getting Magic Items



Small Charm of Good Luck
Keep in Inventory to Gain Bonus
Required Level: 33
Item Version: 1.10+ Expansion
Item Level: 80
Fingerprint: 0x5f73d0b3
7% Better Chance of Getting Magic Items



Small Charm of Good Luck
Keep in Inventory to Gain Bonus
Required Level: 33
Item Version: 1.10+ Expansion
Item Level: 80
Fingerprint: 0x1618b748
7% Better Chance of Getting Magic Items



Toxic Small Charm of Good Luck
Keep in Inventory to Gain Bonus
Required Level: 55
Item Version: 1.10+ Expansion
Item Level: 80
Fingerprint: 0xa7a97e7
+100 poison damage over 5 seconds
7% Better Chance of Getting Magic Items



Amber Small Charm of Fortune
Keep in Inventory to Gain Bonus
Required Level: 32
Item Version: 1.10+ Expansion
Item Level: 80
Fingerprint: 0xc686907e
Lightning Resist +11%
4% Better Chance of Getting Magic Items



Small Charm of Good Luck
Keep in Inventory to Gain Bonus
Required Level: 33
Item Version: 1.10+ Expansion
Item Level: 86
Fingerprint: 0xb02f35b0
7% Better Chance of Getting Magic Items



Small Charm of Good Luck
Keep in Inventory to Gain Bonus
Required Level: 33
Item Version: 1.10+ Expansion
Item Level: 80
Fingerprint: 0x43e4569a
7% Better Chance of Getting Magic Items



Small Charm of Good Luck
Keep in Inventory to Gain Bonus
Required Level: 33
Item Version: 1.10+ Expansion
Item Level: 80
Fingerprint: 0xfb1c114b
7% Better Chance of Getting Magic Items



Small Charm of Good Luck
Keep in Inventory to Gain Bonus
Required Level: 33
Item Version: 1.10+ Expansion
Item Level: 80
Fingerprint: 0x126b7e4a
6% Better Chance of Getting Magic Items
Hooo an opening! I've already found multiple IK mauls and I still have 11 hours available!
ZzZzZ

To clarify Nihlathak didn't drop this..

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I got DFathom from his crew so beat that! Much rarer than 1.07 zod! (1/28 million at p8 with the ~200% MF I had at the time)
@pharphis this made me go check odds for Griffon’s from Slayer @ 50 MF/P8 but it’s only 1:14.2m lmao.
So which one is it @Yng, Horizon's or Stormlash? The latter would be fitting, got my first ever Stormlash down there as well. :)
@ffs it was Horizon’s, didn’t even notice I hadn’t posted that. Don’t think I’ve found Stormlash yet. :/
20 hours finished, thanks for hosting @ffs!
Was some much needed motivation to get that xp bar moving again.
Results sent. Managed to get 19 hours in. Last half was pretty abysmal in terms of results, so I doubt my score would've changed much have I've been able to finish the set.

Found few pretty interesting non-qualifiers though. All in all I picked up LOTS of crap. Not the most efficient playstyle for tourney like this, but I felt I needed something extra to keep me motivated.

Necromancer (who did most of the running) hit level 96, Javazon level 94. Those things alone make me happy. Also ran ~45 minutes with Zerker, trying to find a better map. Alas, he found nothing.

Thanks for hosting @ffs , and good luck to those few who might still be running!
20 hours done. WSK is fun, although level 3 is quite deadly at times with the Death Lords and Succubi. While cursed, some Death Lord bosses are dealing near 1K damage per hit, and I did die a few times in those situations. Souls on level 2 aren't too bad with Wisp, even the ones with Conviction I could take enough hits to react and stay alive.
Turns out I did manage to finish the full set!

Results sent in. I'll be pretty amazed if it's anything better than mid-table at best, but given the gear I had available I think I managed a respectable score in both categories.

Cheers @ffs for hosting. It was fun, and I found a bunch of useful stuff for Terrahork- will post details in the Untwinked 99er thread once the results thread is up!

For now, I'm just happy that I don't need to run about dressed like Elton John anymore.
:D Maybe I should switch to nith to find stormlash!
@Trapin' wouldn’t recommend it ;)
Managed to run a bit more, 16 hours in total.

Just as @Yng main goal was to get some xp, and MF/RF tournament provided a well needed boost for that. Only 100M to go :).
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Thanks @ffs for hosting. Sending results in a bit. For real this time ;).
Sorry guys couldn't make it this time.

I was way too much away from home during this time after all, didn't spend that little time playing.

Looking forward to the results, still think this is a great concept! Great to see some familiar faces making comeback for this and all.

Thanks @ffs for hosting :)
Just finished my last pit run! I only got 9.5 hours, but it was a fun experience. I've never done one of these before. I didn't get anything great, but I at least filled a top 5 for runes and S/U :p Thanks FFS for running this. I sent my list via conversation.
I probably didn't do well, but on the bright side I leveled from 90 to 91 grinding the pits :D
Oh man, so life kinda happened to me while this tournament was going on. I only managed like 6.5 hours on the zon, which was unfortunate. I think that adds up to a DNF lol. I hope everyone who got a full set in found some good stuff! I got a HR out of it at least!
 

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I didn't quite get the full 20 hours in, but I got a hell of a lot closer than I thought I would. I'm sure my score wasn't great, but I did bring my blizz sorc from 86 to 92.25 over the course of the tournament. I also found several items that I have never found before, and several other things that were useful. Overall, I would have to say that I thoroughly enjoyed my first tournament!

I sent my results through a conversation, since I couldn't find another way to PM. Good luck to all the other runners. I will be looking forward to seeing the results tables when they are finished.
Didn't start till Friday. Only managed just about 8 hours. AT was actually kind to me in S/U considering I only spent about 4 of the hours in there. The 4 hours in LK, on the other hand, left me quite depressed. I'm likely to be last in runes, hopefully not last in S/U but probably also not much of a placement anyway. Didn't really try very hard but wanted to try all the same.
I got over the 10 hour mark. Nothing to write home about, but did get a grailer (Horizon's Tornado). Results sent to @ffs , thanks for hosting!
Sent results. Did 8-10 hours (didn't keep close track of it). More than I anticipated doing in the end, I think
Thanks all for the reports and the participation, this was good fun! Only one result missing from those who ran it seems, might be able to post the results thread today.
Oh come on, you can't drop facts like that and then NOT publicly shame that one person!

Anyway, thanks again for hosting, good fun! My guess is that we saw 1 Zod, none of that multiple Zod tournament luck any longer.

When's the MFO? :cool:
Of course not a DNF. Plenty of people didn't finish the full set. And it seems you have a score. So just send it over to ffs, if you haven't done so.
I'll just wait for it until tonight (Europe) and will then post it with or without the missing result, so possibly including public shaming. :)



24 August - 2 September!
Brilliant! Looking forward to it!

Less than 4 weeks to MFO?! Sooner than I expected, but I prefer it that way!
I'm done with baal for a while. 16 hours and only 1 gc for rerolling.
@Shuffleblast I have 10x ilvl 95 GCs from this tournament, and I didn’t pick up anywhere near all of them (generally don’t clear a room full of Vipers to grab those).
@Shuffleblast might I suggest getting Diablo GCs instead? Runs should be quite a bit faster (depending on the build of course) and thus might be faster/easier to get few GCs for rerolling? Diablo GCs are also capable (like Nihlathak GCs @Yng mentions) of getting the +41-45 life roll.
What Yng said. Nihl is an awesome source for high ilvl GCs.
@ffs You're not waiting for me I hope? I bowed out a while back due to stuff and things...
+1 pre-results post hyyyyyype
Thread is up.
I was never a fan or running CS, but I'll probably do it now so I can cube the 24 baal essences. :p Baal runs took me anywhere between sub 3 min and 4 min with a blizz sorc, which is about what it takes me to do a p7 cs run as well though. 1 million exp per run for both at lvl 94.


Even with max fire resist, 3k+ life and 1k mana shield, I don't feel comfortable going there with my sorc. :)
Get some PDR (dual Nature's Peace for example, giving you the RIP mod as well) and remember to step away from your merc and you'll be fine ;). Even if you have to abort 50% of your runs because they don't feel safe, it will still be faster than Diablo and Baal.
I've been on the lookout for useful PDR circlets and amulets, but I haven't found any good ones and I don't need the Nihlatak exp yet. I might go there in a couple of years. :p