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I'm all for getting information through lynching. Sometimes though we allow ourselves to forget the fundamentals. The points coju so cannibasically laid out. Lurkers, the beginnings of games, etc...

@pharphis you say go with your gut...We all (mostly) believed Martin's investigation of Malevolent in the beginning. Now your gut tells you differently, correct?? Or is it simply flapjackman's last words? I'm not doubting, I'm just curious how/what you are using to make decisions. Rereading the thread is where the information is, sometimes it results in screw-ups (looks away) and sometimes you find little things to point out and ask for clarification.


Also looking at people's voting record. Uraj made an interesting point earlier. Might be worth remembering.
 
flubbucket said:
I'm all for getting information through lynching. Sometimes though we allow ourselves to forget the fundamentals. The points coju so cannibasically laid out. Lurkers, the beginnings of games, etc...

@pharphis you say go with your gut...We all (mostly) believed Martin's investigation of Malevolent in the beginning. Now your gut tells you differently, correct?? Or is it simply flapjackman's last words? I'm not doubting, I'm just curious how/what you are using to make decisions. Rereading the thread is where the information is, sometimes it results in screw-ups (looks away) and sometimes you find little things to point out and ask for clarification.


Also looking at people's voting record. Uraj made an interesting point earlier. Might be worth remembering.
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Well, I do reread some things, but not a whole lot. As the game gets further on I reread a lot more (or at least i did in the one other game I got to the end in - because it was up to me and coju to choose correctly). Yes, my gut said go for Mal, but then a cop said he wasn't. Many people were doubtful at that point but then he turned up gory as guilty, so we had a perfect test subject. that worked, so then mal seemed to be in the clear.

It's because mostly of what pcm was saying before his lynch. There are a lot of things (mechanics, roles, etc - like what's with the players not matching the alive count? seriously?) that we don't know about yet in this game, it seems. I will definitely begin to look at the voting record more, but I know that in the first day or two I wouldn't consider it very useful because most of my thoughts are probably based on OMGUS that early.

As for vote1ing Noodle, I'm up for that today too if need be.


 
Jcakes said:
I rest my case from before, another no context vote from Noodle. He continues to contribute NOTHING to the town and you all let him get away with it, because I have a role that is a different role.

You know what lynch me, next game I will just play exactly the same way Noodle does, posting once per day to vote and provide nothing else to the town, because apparently helping the town is scummy whereas doing NOTHING is not.
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You gave us one name. We lynched him, and he turned out to be town.

So now you've given us a second name, also with the same conditions. Let's say, for sake of argument, that we lynch Noodle. What happens if he also flips town? Will we get a third name to lynch tomorrow?

More importantly, if he flips scum, does that absolve you?



 
Jcakes said:
Sigh, just like last game. I have a role that is dangerous to anti-town so it gets spun as being an anti-town role by the mafia.

For the record, the person I targeted last night was Noodle. However as I said before, it is entirely possible that either both kills were on ML or the doc saved one of the kills, no way of knowing. My reason for voting Pman early was because I thought he was acting scummy and the single kill.

You can spin it anyway you like, but I've spent a lot of time scum hunting and have been very open with the town about my ability. Anyway I am inclined to agree with Pman, Mal appears to be very scummy and the only thing saving him was his innocent result.

Vote 1: Malevolent
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Most every power that town has is dangerous to anti-town (except for that role you had last game (dentist) that was just strange) and almost all can be spun to be harmful or discredited if the circumstances are right and its pushed hard enough. Kind of why I don't like the way the lynch is going right now. Did anyone think of this? Frozzzen just flipped, he was a 2 shot roleblocker. Unless we actually have 2 separate mafia factions, why would anti-town have both a 2 shot roleblocker and a full time roleblocker. Does that even make any sort of logical sense?

flubbucket said:
Is that what he's saying?? I guess I misunderstood.

Is this week still next week's last week??
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Ah flubb, how I love your deceptive reasoning.

Jcakes said:
Nice try, but knowing who I targeted is of no value to the town. I only provide my target if there appears to have been a stopped kill. Knowing who I am targeting is of value to the mafia however, as they want to know if I am getting close.
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Jcakes said:
Fine you want to know who I targetted.

it was as follows.

N1: Malevolent
N2: Goryani
N3: Pman (only one person died)
N4: Noodle (only one person died).

I honestly think Noodle is scum, he hasn't contributed anything in 4 days, just making his usual one or two posts, yet because my role is one that is not a normal role I am in the firing line ..... It is like the previous game all over again. I am honestly getting fed up with the way these mafia games go, those of us that actually spend time hunting, reveal their roles because they believe it will help the town and actually do something get targeted. Meanwhile Noodle et al contribute NOTHING to the town and get off scott free.

Finally, if I was mafia do you think I would freely come out and reveal my role when I was under 0 pressure?
No I wouldn't, the only reason I revealed my role was because I thought it could aid the town.

Seriously here is all of Noodles 24 posts
He has done 0 scum hunting, screwed up the frozzzen vote no less than three times and I blocked him last night (reulsting in only one kill). Yet you want to lynch me, one of the few remaining town power roles?

Unvote 1: Malevolent
Vote 1: Noodle
Vote 2: Malevolent
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To know who you targeted the first two nights checks out your story so I can see why it would be slightly necessary. However by disclosing this (if you are in fact town) if the first two nights you did affect a mafia power they would then know what the cause of the block was and will no longer be concerned on figuring out what happened to stop their power and will no longer have to be concerned with it happening again if you are removed from play which is unsettling.

Noodle always lurks, always. The part that concerns me is the first day he was posting up a storm and once he was called out on it his posting slipped back to normal play, drastic changes in play style so suddenly needs to be considered.

Thyiad said:
Votes up to date as of now.

Autti you are almost silent and are close to getting modkilled for inactivity. Noodle and Uraj, you are also a little quiet.

I know Laarz is semi-afk until tonight.

I hope to come back to lots of discussion/voting tongiht.:thumbup:
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Technically I should have been on that list, but I'll take that pass :whistling:


 
pharphis said:
flubb, laarz, autti, nulio, and pyro why haven't you voted 2 on mal?

Vote 1: Mafia
Vote 2: Other Mafia
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Well I can vote, but you guys now my votes don't count.

Also I forgot to inform Thy that I was going to be out all Saturday.. luckily I wasn't mod killed.


 
Uraj said:
Odd wording here from Pyro. I only see bus being used to describe one scum partner voting for another. Does anyone else feel differently? Also, I don't think Pyro has used vote 1 this entire game.

I could see voting for Noodle also. More active than usual start plus multiple misvotes on an anti-town. I still remember his reaction to FoE's post on flub.

I'm willing to vote Jcakes if its needed to secure a vote 1 lynch. Though I see the first half of his claim as ok. It's the second half of the claim, only works on anti-town, that is the questionable part.


Vote 1: Pyrotechnician
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I feel the word bussing describes the process bringing the vote up to a lock so quickly that a person does not have time to respond. I feel its a very unfair technique and your narrowing the definition of the word to sound scummy and manipulate my post.

coju said:
You'd think there were only 5 people playing this game with the amount of spam that isn't here... (Why isn't "spam" a 'real word'?)
Read over the Noodle's posts. Nothing of real value. I wonder why people don't use this:

[highlight]Are people afraid to post because they are afraid of being accused of scum?[/highlight]

It's [highlight]red[/highlight] for a reason, _______________(smthn Samuel L. Jackon would say).

I mean, it's what, day 4? Are the rest of the players actually scum? Besides Jcakes, franklin, ph, coju, thy, and loz? Yeah, I may think that franklin, ph, and loz are scum, but seriously? No other comments? Posts? Is everyone sleeping? Are the rest of the people here Americans? Gha!

I expected getting back from my fri-end's house, lit-quite-a-bit, to some good drunken deciphering! But, nope.

This Jcakes vote1 run is a great easy option. Mal being V2'd is, in my useless opinion, a 100% great opportunity to get rid of scum. (all the :loving: for my kiwi spammer! Missed you during your hiatuses!) like ph (????) said, all he's riding on is an 'innocent' report from MartinLong.

Yes, the Long MartinS did and has and does appear scummy, but s/he did get a scum. That's one. Where are the others?

[highlight]alive[/highlight]
1. Moar
2. Pyrotechnician
3. Caluin Graye
4. Malevolent
5. Gwaihir
6. Noodle
7. Jcakes
8. Autti
9. nulio
10. pharphis
11. thefranklin
12. Laarz
13. flubbucket
14. LozHinge the Unhinged
15. coju
16. Uraj

[/highlight]dead[/highlight]
N1 - Sathoris is dead. He was Cliff. Pro Town. Postman
N1 - Bad Ash is dead. He was Niles. Pro Town. Cop
N2 - kestegs is dead. He was Rebecca. Pro Town. Townie.
N2 - FredOfErik is dead. He was Bulldog Briscoe. Pro Town. Jailkeeper.
D3 - Goryani is dead. He was Kelly gaines. Anti Town. Goon.-----------[highlight]ONE!!!!!!!![/highlight]
D3 - omgwtfbbqpwned is dead. He was Al. Neutral. Village Idiot. He has achieved his win condition.
N3 - Solar Ice is dead. He was Norm. Pro Town. Waiter
D4 - frozzzen is dead. He was Donny. Anti Town. 2 shot roleblocker
D4 - pancakeman is dead. He was Sam. Pro Town. Eavesdropper.
N4 - MartinLong is dead. He was Eddie. Pro Town. Cop


Where are the town's PR's?!!?!?!?!?! REALLY!?!! ONE!?!? Out of 16 left, 26 all together. We've killed 9 townspeople(Including neutrals. As, neutrals are NOT anti-town, but neutral. Meaning, yes, they can help anyone, but they are still neutral. neutered. lol....)

I will say that I've used a power once. If I'm dead tonight so be it, as I more than likely won't use it again.

In my glorious opinion, it's time to start getting rid of the lurkers. As of now. This post. All those at the half-way-post-count-point of those alive should be lynched asap. Including me if I am.

As we all know, lurkers tend to be scummy. Those who have played scum know that posting gets you in the spotlight. Yes, there have been times that those who are posting a lot are scum, but these lurkers.... with 16 people alive still, this Vote 2 should be used for that after this day phase.
Yeah, I dislike the beginning of the mafia games because of all the spam and all the speculation, so I don't try much in the beginning of the game. After day friggin 5, and how this little of posting.... (I'm no help to the posting, as I normally just cruise on other people opinions... Just to be honest here)

Any who. Think I've already voted uraj for v1 and mal for v2. I'm sticking with those. I don't believe in a jcakes vote until more info comes out. gg/hf all! :D :cheese: :balloons: :cheerios: :raisinbran: #drunk #drunkpost #havingfun #Ftwitter #whoactualyhastwitterhere #ialmostgottwitterwhenitfirstcameoutbutdidntandnowregrettingit #whathaveyou @loveall:D
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Technically he got 2, Goryani and Frozzzen but either way, posting slow down a lot, but I have a feeeling it has something to do with it being the weekend, as I definately wasn't around enough to keep track until now.

pharphis said:
flubb, laarz, autti, nulio, and pyro why haven't you voted 2 on mal?

Vote 1: Mafia
Vote 2: Other Mafia
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First time getting through the thread this day phase. Trying to pin me the same way Autti did last time?

flubbucket said:
I'm all for getting information through lynching. Sometimes though we allow ourselves to forget the fundamentals. The points coju so cannibasically laid out. Lurkers, the beginnings of games, etc...

@pharphis you say go with your gut...We all (mostly) believed Martin's investigation of Malevolent in the beginning. Now your gut tells you differently, correct?? Or is it simply flapjackman's last words? I'm not doubting, I'm just curious how/what you are using to make decisions. Rereading the thread is where the information is, sometimes it results in screw-ups (looks away) and sometimes you find little things to point out and ask for clarification.


Also looking at people's voting record. Uraj made an interesting point earlier. Might be worth remembering.
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It is important to look at voting records but maybe I should explain the way I like to vote. I like to be confident when I lay down my vote that the person being lynched is more likely than not scum. If I don't feel that way then I won't lay down my vote unless its close to days end and we are going to be in a no lynch situation which is just all around bad for the town. Saying that, I'm not confident in Jcakes being scum so I'm going to withhold my Vote 1 on him. If he does turn up scum than I guess I'm **** out of luck but I don't feel him as being it. I think his ability is being turned around on him similar to last game and I don't like it.

Vote 1: Uraj


 
nulio said:
Well I can vote, but you guys now my votes don't count.

Also I forgot to inform Thy that I was going to be out all Saturday.. luckily I wasn't mod killed.
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I think pharphis may have forgotten that fact, when he asked why you didn't vote I was a little surprised.


 
Back. Updated tally.

EIT:
Scratch that, you lot have been busy!
 
Pyrotechnician said:
I think pharphis may have forgotten that fact, when he asked why you didn't vote I was a little surprised.
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I did. My bad.

Also, I'm not trying to pin you as anything, I'm just trying to figure out why some people haven't vote 2'd mal, because I still feel confident that this could provide useful information as to who may be scummy. If it forces those scum to vote by asking them, then all the better because it means we don't go w/o the vote 2 lynch altogether. win-win in my opinion, and at least for this vote (and the frozzzen one previously)


 
Thyiad said:
Day Five - 15 Alive

Vote 1 - 8 to lynch, 9 to lock
Vote 2 - 11 to lynch

Vote 1
Malevloent ( LozHinge)
Jcakes 7 (Malevolent. thefranklin, Gwaihir, Caluin Graye, LozHInge, Noodle, Laarz)
Uraj 3 (pharphis, coju, Pyrotechnician)
Noodle 2 (Jcakes, flubbucket)
Pyrotechnician 1 (Uraj)

Vote 2
Jcakes 1 (LozHinge)
Malevolent 12 (pharphis, coju, thefranklin, Gwaihi, Uraj, Caluin Graye, Moar, Jcakes, LozHinge, Noodle, flubbucket, Pyrotechnician)
Pyrotechnician 1 (Malevolent)


Votes
1098 - pharphis Vote 1: Malevolent UNVOTED 1102
1099 - flubbucket Vote 1: Malevolent UNVOTED 1160
1099 - flubbucket Vote 2: Jcakes UNVOTED 1120
1100 - LozHinge the Unhinged Vote 1: Malevolent
1101 - LozHinge the Unhinged Vote 2: Jcakes
1102 - pharphis Vote 2: Malevolent
1103 - coju Vote 2:Malevolent
1105 - Malevolent Vote 2: Jcakes UNVOTED 1106
1106 - Malevolent Voe 1: Jacakes
1106 - Malevolent Vote 2: Pyrotechnician
1109 - JCakes - Vote 1 Malevolent UNVOTED 1137
1110 - pharphis Vote 1: Uraj
1122 - thefranklin Vote 1: Jcakes
1123 - thefranklin Vote 2: Maleolent
1127 - Gwaihir Vote 1: Jcakes
1127 - Gwaihir Vote 2 : Malevolet
1130 - coju Vote 1: Uraj
1132 - Uraj Vote 2: Malevolent
1133 - Caluin Graye Vote 1: Jcakes
1133 - Caluin Graye Vote 2: Malevolent
1136 - Moar Vote 1: Jcakes UNVOTED 1138
1136 - Moar Vote 2: Malevolent
1137 - Jcakes Vote 1: Noodle
1137 - Jcakes Vote 2: Malevolent
1141 - LozHinge the Unhinged Vote 1: Jcakes
1141 - LozHinge the Unhinged Vote 2: Malevolent
1142 - Noodle Vote 1: Jcakes
1142 - Noodle Vote 2: Malevolent
1149 - Uraj Vote 1: Pyrotechnician
1159 - flubbucket Vote 2: Malevolent
1160 - flubbucket Vote 1: Noodle
1162 - Laarz Vote 1: Jcakes
1166 - Pyrotechnician Vote 2: Malevolent
1169 - Pyrotechnician Vote 1: Uraj
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Looks like LozHinge has TWO Vote 1s....Am I reading that correctly??

Thyiad said:
Redone the vote tally. Let me know what I screwed up, please. :P
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I really don't know who to vote 1 today. I'm not convinced that Jcakes is scum. But then my reading has been off right from the start. I do think we need to get to the lurkers. I've been lurking this day phase also, I know. That'll get better again next day phase. Weekend was a bit busy/drunk/hangover.
My first choice for lynch would be Noodle, but I will change to Jcakes if it looks no lynch otherwise.

Vote 1: Noodle
 
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Originally Posted by Thyiad Day Five - 15 Alive

Vote 1 - 8 to lynch, 9 to lock
Vote 2 - 11 to lynch

Vote 1
Malevloent ( LozHinge)
Jcakes 7 (Malevolent. thefranklin, Gwaihir, Caluin Graye, LozHInge, Noodle, Laarz)
Uraj 3 (pharphis, coju, Pyrotechnician)
Noodle 2 (Jcakes, flubbucket)
Pyrotechnician 1 (Uraj)

Vote 2
Jcakes 1 (LozHinge)
Malevolent 12 (pharphis, coju, thefranklin, Gwaihi, Uraj, Caluin Graye, Moar, Jcakes, LozHinge, Noodle, flubbucket, Pyrotechnician)
Pyrotechnician 1 (Malevolent)


He has TWO Vote 2s as well!! Wow Loz you're amazing...is the secret in the sherbet??
 
I counted Loz's new votes and forgot to remove the old ones - he HAD unvoted.

Me dumb.

Don't you guys wish you had a host who could count?! :tongue:

Vote 1
Jcakes 7 (Malevolent. thefranklin, Gwaihir, Caluin Graye, LozHInge, Noodle 2( Laarz, Moar)
Uraj 3 (pharphis, coju, Pyrotechnician)
Noodle 2 (Jcakes, flubbucket)
Pyrotechnician 1 (Uraj)

Vote 2
Malevolent 12 (pharphis, coju, thefranklin, Gwaihi, Uraj, Caluin Graye, Moar, Jcakes, LozHinge, Noodle, flubbucket, Pyrotechnician)
Pyrotechnician 1 (Malevolent)


Votes
1098 - pharphis Vote 1: Malevolent UNVOTED 1102
1099 - flubbucket Vote 1: Malevolent UNVOTED 1160
1099 - flubbucket Vote 2: Jcakes UNVOTED 1120
1100 - LozHinge the Unhinged Vote 1: Malevolent UNVOTED 1141
1101 - LozHinge the Unhinged Vote 2: Jcakes UNVOTED 1141
1102 - pharphis Vote 2: Malevolent
1103 - coju Vote 2:Malevolent
1105 - Malevolent Vote 2: Jcakes UNVOTED 1106
1106 - Malevolent Voe 1: Jacakes
1106 - Malevolent Vote 2: Pyrotechnician
1109 - JCakes - Vote 1 Malevolent UNVOTED 1137
1110 - pharphis Vote 1: Uraj
1122 - thefranklin Vote 1: Jcakes
1123 - thefranklin Vote 2: Maleolent
1127 - Gwaihir Vote 1: Jcakes
1127 - Gwaihir Vote 2 : Malevolet
1130 - coju Vote 1: Uraj
1132 - Uraj Vote 2: Malevolent
1133 - Caluin Graye Vote 1: Jcakes
1133 - Caluin Graye Vote 2: Malevolent
1136 - Moar Vote 1: Jcakes UNVOTED 1138
1136 - Moar Vote 2: Malevolent
1137 - Jcakes Vote 1: Noodle
1137 - Jcakes Vote 2: Malevolent
1141 - LozHinge the Unhinged Vote 1: Jcakes
1141 - LozHinge the Unhinged Vote 2: Malevolent
1142 - Noodle Vote 1: Jcakes
1142 - Noodle Vote 2: Malevolent
1149 - Uraj Vote 1: Pyrotechnician
1159 - flubbucket Vote 2: Malevolent
1160 - flubbucket Vote 1: Noodle
1162 - Laarz Vote 1: Jcakes
1166 - Pyrotechnician Vote 2: Malevolent
1169 - Pyrotechnician Vote 1: Uraj
1176 - Moar Vote 1: Noodle
 
More active than usual start plus multiple misvotes on an anti-town. And there was his reaction to FoE's post on flub.
I see him as better than Jcakes.

Unvote 1: Pyrotechnician
Vote 1: Noodle
 
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