Grief+Beast > Grief+eBotd ?

dmngd

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Grief+Beast > Grief+eBotd ?

I have a bva and currently he's use Grief+botd because I though that that would give more damage but quite a few people have been suggesting that i should use Grief+beast instead because the damage is better, ar and the ow on beast makes a huge difference, is this true?

In my inventory I also keep 4 fhr scs, should i ditch those?
 
Yes, its true. Provided that your grief is above 34% ias you'll also hit the last ww bp. As for the sc's it depends on if w/ them you hit or go past the best bp you can get (i think its 86 and 14x something) someone else will confirm that. There's already many posts concerning this as well. Try the search first, then come back with a question if you didnt find what you were looking for.

-BLoke :smug:
 
Hey,

I did search before and i found a post on this in one of the barb guides but i couldn't find it any more~~, that's where i got the idea of using Botd in the first place.

"Yes, it's true."

The Grief+Beast > Grief+Botd relationship?

At the moment i'm hitting the 47fhr bp with 30 from helm and 20 from charms.
 
It's easy enough to do by hand. You just multiply your base weapon damage after all +dmg modifiers ('Grief' modifier, +max charms) and multiply that by the sum of your off-weapon %ed.
 
So if i take Grief damage and i multiply that with the ed from skill, masterie and off weapon ed, i get the following results:

Example:
Grief damage = 400
Skill and masterie = 400 ed

If i use botd i add 400 ed i get a total of 800 ed on grief.
If i use Beast i add base ed and aura ed (270+186), i get a total of 856 ed.

Is this the way to do it? If yes then Beast+Grief would do more damage.

but in Arreats it states that you hit with one weapon once and then with the other, Beast damage is futile to the damage botd does therefore for better avarage damage isn't botd+grief better since there is only a 60 ed difference on one hit but a much bigger damage difference on the other?
 
dmngd said:
So if i take Grief damage and i multiply that with the ed from skill, masterie and off weapon ed, i get the following results:

Example:
Grief damage = 400
Skill and masterie = 400 ed

If i use botd i add 400 ed i get a total of 800 ed on grief.
If i use Beast i add base ed and aura ed (270+186), i get a total of 856 ed.

Is this the way to do it? If yes then Beast+Grief would do more damage.

but in Arreats it states that you hit with one weapon once and then with the other, Beast damage is futile to the damage botd does therefore for better avarage damage isn't botd+grief better since there is only a 60 ed difference on one hit but a much bigger damage difference on the other?

For Grief's damage, you add 400 to the base average damage of grief (47.5), then multiply that with ed+str, so that 1 str=1 ed, also you should add the damage from aura, so that with this setup, assuming ~200 str, you would have:

447.5*8.86=3964.85

As for botd, it's easily calculatable. Base berserker axe average damage times ethereal bonus, ed on ebotdz, str. With 200 str, 415% ed, you would get this:

47.5*1.5*5.15*7=2568.5625.

As for the different setups, I do not really know which does more, but I could guess that over time, beast+grief does more, because of the Fanatiscm aura, the str on beast, and the ow on beast.

And no, you do _not_ multiply any weapon damage with Edmg% found from other weapons, since those mods do not transfer over to the other weapon.
 
Ok, I made those calculations on my own and i came up with the following results:
Assuming 200 str
Assuming 400 ed from ww and masterie
Assuming 447.5 grief damage no ed
Assuming 47.5 beast damage with 285ed
Assuming 71.25 ebotd damage with 415ed
Fana Aura ed = 186ed

Grief+Beast
Grief damage = 447.5*(1+1.86+4+2) = 3964.85
Beast damage = 47.5*(1+2.85+1.86+4+2) = 556.225
Avarage = 2260.5375

Grief+eBotd
Grief damage = 447.5*(1+4+2) = 3132.5
eBotd damage = 71.25*(1+4.15+4+2) = 794.4375
Avarage = 1963.46875

Difference in damage = 297.06875

So yeah, this confirms that having a Beast is better for damage and you get extra ar.

Second question, how much fhr do I need? I've got 50 at the moment for the 47 fhr bp, are those charms useless or no? Do they help me recover from smite stun faster?
 
dmngd said:
Ok, I made those calculations on my own and i came up with the following results:
Assuming 200 str
Assuming 400 ed from ww and masterie
Assuming 447.5 grief damage no ed
Assuming 47.5 beast damage with 285ed
Assuming 71.25 ebotd damage with 415ed
Fana Aura ed = 186ed

Grief+Beast
Grief damage = 447.5*(1+1.86+4+2) = 3964.85
Beast damage = 47.5*(1+2.85+1.86+4+2) = 556.225
Avarage = 2260.5375

Grief+eBotd
Grief damage = 447.5*(1+4+2) = 3132.5
eBotd damage = 71.25*(1+4.15+4+2) = 794.4375
Avarage = 1963.46875

Difference in damage = 297.06875

So yeah, this confirms that having a Beast is better for damage and you get extra ar.

Second question, how much fhr do I need? I've got 50 at the moment for the 47 fhr bp, are those charms useless or no? Do they help me recover from smite stun faster?

The desired breakpoint is 48% FHR. You will _not_ need any more than that, ever, as long as you play well.
 
dmngd said:
Ok, thanks a lot. (:

Btw, your EbotdZ damage calc is flawed. What I tried to say was this:

((Base weapon damage*Eth bonus)*(On-weapon ED+1))*str+off-weapon ed+1 Which makes it come out as

((47.5*1.5)*(5.15))*7=
(71.25*5.15)*7=
366.9*7=
2568.5625.

Whereas for Grief it would be ((base weapon damage+(+damage)*(str+off weapon ed+1), which would come out as

(47.5+400)*7=
447.5*7=
3132.5
 
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