Grats D2 for the win!
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Inu, you are quite right: you are full of yourself. You also failed to address two of my points in all your ranting. A lot of what you're saying boils down to "I R teh l33t!!!!!" and I'm not impressed. If TFT is so much easier than BW, why am I getting hammered by neophytes on TFT but doing fine when I play BW? I'm fast, though the carpal tunnel slows me down a bit. I've been playing BW longer than TFT, but its not even a matter of talent. With the same amount of playtime, I still do better on BW than I do on TFT.
Differences: Fewer units are actually harder to play with, massive HP notwithstanding.
The lack of building support (i.e. towers) on most of the TFT races. Three photon cannons vs. three ents? No contest.
Heros vs. Capital ships: I'll take 10 guardians over three heros any day. Sorry.
Invisible units that are actually scary...I've not seen a lot of those in TFT, unless you count the owls.
I am not teh l33t. I spend too much time working on my real job to get very good at gaming. So I suppose I don't have anything really to talk about when it comes to real gamers. *snicker*
Differences: Fewer units are actually harder to play with, massive HP notwithstanding.
The lack of building support (i.e. towers) on most of the TFT races. Three photon cannons vs. three ents? No contest.
Heros vs. Capital ships: I'll take 10 guardians over three heros any day. Sorry.
Invisible units that are actually scary...I've not seen a lot of those in TFT, unless you count the owls.
I am not teh l33t. I spend too much time working on my real job to get very good at gaming. So I suppose I don't have anything really to talk about when it comes to real gamers. *snicker*
memememe173
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Could be that people wasted their money on it, and play it because they don'tr have the money for a new game:lol:Inu said:
Anyee I will answer you with a few questions if you don't mind.
BW:
Do you play WGT?
Do you play publics at B.Net?
Do you play Fastest, BGH, shared etc?
TFT:
Defense? You on crack? Only time you'd want to use defensive structures are for expansions. UD Spirit Towers rocks. Orc Towers rocks. Human Towers rocks. Night Elves does not have such a good tower though but the balancing made it unecessary. The question? When do you defend and what complaints?
Less units are harder to handle? Try to micro 16 Grunts and 2 Shams, 2 Docs. It's quite easy with the right computer ( Not my 600 Mhz
). Now try micro with 25 Zealots, 12 Dragoons, 2 Templars and a Shuttle containing 2 Reavers.
You spend time on work and not gaming. I envy you.. But still, I do have facts to back up my claims.
BW:
Do you play WGT?
Do you play publics at B.Net?
Do you play Fastest, BGH, shared etc?
TFT:
Defense? You on crack? Only time you'd want to use defensive structures are for expansions. UD Spirit Towers rocks. Orc Towers rocks. Human Towers rocks. Night Elves does not have such a good tower though but the balancing made it unecessary. The question? When do you defend and what complaints?
Less units are harder to handle? Try to micro 16 Grunts and 2 Shams, 2 Docs. It's quite easy with the right computer ( Not my 600 Mhz
). Now try micro with 25 Zealots, 12 Dragoons, 2 Templars and a Shuttle containing 2 Reavers.You spend time on work and not gaming. I envy you.. But still, I do have facts to back up my claims.
Heh, I spent more time on Diablo II than I did on Starcraft, but really, Starcraft is a better game. It has three different, balanced races, which was something unusual for games at the time. Most games had the exact same races; the races only looked different. Starcraft took broke new ground; Diablo II didn't. It's just an RPG with an excellent item system, addictively simple game play, bad storyline, and hack / dupe problems. Diablo also had problems with its gameplay. Go kill Baal 1,000 times to gain experience. Go clear the Pit 1,000 times to gain items. I wish that they would change these things. Even if they did, Starcraft would still beat out Diablo II because of its storyline.
I think Diablo won because it's newer. After all, newer games have an advantage since more players are trying them out.
I don't know about the supposed cheat and such. It is rather odd that almost all people that posted in the Gamespy forum topic about this vote said that they would vote for Starcraft. But that doesn't prove that a hack was used in Diablo II's favor.
Personally, I will be voting for Ocarina of Time(OoT) in the next matchup. I don't really think that OoT is better than Diablo II, but Diablo II did not deserve to beat Starcraft, and be in this bracket. And OoT is pretty awesome anyway.
Why did they put a Real Time Strategy game in the same bracket as an RPG anyway? And they threw in a First Person Shooter too? That's just wierd. If they do this again, they should divide the brackets by placing the RPG games in one bracket, the Racing games in another bracket, the Platform games in another, RTS in another, etc. I guess they wanted to put all the Blizzard games in the same bracket. People would get mad if the Final Four had Starcraft, Diablo II, and Warcraft III in it :lol:
I think Diablo won because it's newer. After all, newer games have an advantage since more players are trying them out.
I don't know about the supposed cheat and such. It is rather odd that almost all people that posted in the Gamespy forum topic about this vote said that they would vote for Starcraft. But that doesn't prove that a hack was used in Diablo II's favor.
Personally, I will be voting for Ocarina of Time(OoT) in the next matchup. I don't really think that OoT is better than Diablo II, but Diablo II did not deserve to beat Starcraft, and be in this bracket. And OoT is pretty awesome anyway.
Why did they put a Real Time Strategy game in the same bracket as an RPG anyway? And they threw in a First Person Shooter too? That's just wierd. If they do this again, they should divide the brackets by placing the RPG games in one bracket, the Racing games in another bracket, the Platform games in another, RTS in another, etc. I guess they wanted to put all the Blizzard games in the same bracket. People would get mad if the Final Four had Starcraft, Diablo II, and Warcraft III in it :lol:
Oh and I also think that Starcraft is better than Warcraft III because of the fact that W3 was so slow-paced 
. People blame this on heroes, but I think it's because of the creeps. Having Creeps is an interestign concept, with interesting side effects, but the overall problem is they make the game boring.
. People blame this on heroes, but I think it's because of the creeps. Having Creeps is an interestign concept, with interesting side effects, but the overall problem is they make the game boring.Inu said:
?, yes, no. I've not played online Bnet in a while. I didn't enjoy it when I did. I prefer small games with my friends now.
Defense. That thing you need when you go and do something else and someone comes and starts killing you and your tp takes a few seconds to work. You know, that thing. My complaints are that they are slow and stupid, with lousy range. there's not enough variety and specialization. I loved barracks/turrets because they were just so much fun to use. Oddly, I like playing NE and I consider a few towers semi-necessary. I don't follow strategies because I like to have fun when I play. What's the point of using the same starting strategy that everyone else uses? Spirit towers are wonderful but I hate dealing with the undead, ergo I don't play them.
Less units are harder to handle? Try to micro 16 Grunts and 2 Shams, 2 Docs. It's quite easy with the right computer ( Not my 600 Mhz
I know how to use hotkeys. Do you? The problem is that your zealots and dragoons are pure attack, though the drags are dumb as ****. Shamans have bloodlust and once you autocast, yes, that's very nice. Docs have no such thing, and you need to remind your units that going away from the damn ward isn't useful. I still don't see how you're trying to make a comparison. Unless your enemy has no air, there's no comparison between zeal/drag.temp/reaver and grunts/support. That's what we call a straw man. Note that I never said it was the handling. It was the pure playing that was harder. It's easier to defend a base with twice as many units at your disposal. It's also easier to siege a base under those same principlas. There's no early equivalent to a tank push in TFT, is there?
Ah... Publics =)... WGT is the biggest Broodwar site in the world which hosts several working, non-abusable ladders. We have over 100.000 members and most of the top Koreans play here. When I can go 100-0 in D2 public 1v1 I was 60-80 C3 season 6 WGT... =/ ( Ranking goes from C6-A ( C6,C5,C4,C3,C2,C1,C0,B6,B5,B4,B3,B2,B1,B0,A ))
In TFT you have autocast. In TFT you got this cool feature that whenever you have a group of casters and use a spell only one caster perform it which gives you no need to micromanage the individual spellcaster. In BW you'll have to, as in TFT move the hurt zealots around etc but considering that Zealots only have about 160 life they die quite fast ( They're the MOST durable first units ). The Dragoons are perhaps the easiest BW unit to micro. They're large and suck when you go through narrow spaces but with the right person handling them you can beat 12 Zealots with 3 Dragoons ( You can beat 100 Zealots with 1 Goon but that's something only the Koreans are good enough to keep on doing while handling other things ). And while microing the Zealots and the Dragoons you have to use Psionic Storm and pop out/in the Reaver etc... It's so hard it's INSANE... In TFT it's redicilously easy.
Oh, and defense in TFT... I really don't understand how you game at all, I've never had a problem with it and on the WC3 forums no good players complaints about it ( But they do complain about the imbalanced things ).
It's quite late so I hope the text is not to blurry.
Cheers.
In TFT you have autocast. In TFT you got this cool feature that whenever you have a group of casters and use a spell only one caster perform it which gives you no need to micromanage the individual spellcaster. In BW you'll have to, as in TFT move the hurt zealots around etc but considering that Zealots only have about 160 life they die quite fast ( They're the MOST durable first units
). The Dragoons are perhaps the easiest BW unit to micro. They're large and suck when you go through narrow spaces but with the right person handling them you can beat 12 Zealots with 3 Dragoons ( You can beat 100 Zealots with 1 Goon but that's something only the Koreans are good enough to keep on doing while handling other things ). And while microing the Zealots and the Dragoons you have to use Psionic Storm and pop out/in the Reaver etc... It's so hard it's INSANE... In TFT it's redicilously easy.Oh, and defense in TFT... I really don't understand how you game at all, I've never had a problem with it and on the WC3 forums no good players complaints about it ( But they do complain about the imbalanced things ).
It's quite late so I hope the text is not to blurry.
Cheers.
Ash Housewares1
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those zelda goons are haxxoring, everyone hurry and vote for d2!!
memememe173
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We just 110 more...
memememe173
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500+ now
Starcraft and D2 are both great games...
:rant: Lets put this argument aside and vote for the real winner here:
BLIZZARD
Without them, we woudlnt be able to complain which of the 2 most addicting games of all time is better! So even if it is Diablo 2 for you SC fans, Lez show em that Blizzard is KING!
VOTE BLIZZ!!! :winner:
~Kbob
:rant: Lets put this argument aside and vote for the real winner here:
BLIZZARD
Without them, we woudlnt be able to complain which of the 2 most addicting games of all time is better! So even if it is Diablo 2 for you SC fans, Lez show em that Blizzard is KING!
VOTE BLIZZ!!! :winner:
~Kbob
shutupdangit
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Go Blizzard!!
:clap
ude that's the best thing I've ever heard!! VOTE BLIZZARD YEAH!!! Even if you havn't played d2 VOTE FOR IT PLEASE!! And to those people voting for Zelda just cause you're upset sc lost, dont be immature, really. No, d2 didn't cheat, and yes I AM a bigger fan of sc than d2, but what did you expect? We all KNOW how popular sc and d2 are, and its no surprise that they were only 250 votes apart. Now that sc is out and already won the Battle Royale, lets give d2 a chance against some elf.
GO BLIZZARD!!
I hate elfs. (That's why I hate wc3)
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ude that's the best thing I've ever heard!! VOTE BLIZZARD YEAH!!! Even if you havn't played d2 VOTE FOR IT PLEASE!! And to those people voting for Zelda just cause you're upset sc lost, dont be immature, really. No, d2 didn't cheat, and yes I AM a bigger fan of sc than d2, but what did you expect? We all KNOW how popular sc and d2 are, and its no surprise that they were only 250 votes apart. Now that sc is out and already won the Battle Royale, lets give d2 a chance against some elf.GO BLIZZARD!!
I hate elfs. (That's why I hate wc3
)Inu said:In TFT you have autocast. In TFT you got this cool feature that whenever you have a group of casters and use a spell only one caster perform it which gives you no need to micromanage the individual spellcaster. In BW you'll have to, as in TFT move the hurt zealots around etc but considering that Zealots only have about 160 life they die quite fast ( They're the MOST durable first units
Yep, I've had two barracks full of marines and bats wiped out by a few zealots frequently enough to know what they can do. Quite fast? Not fast enough more like it. Damage and life are proprotional in SC too, you know.
Let's talk autocast for a moment. What can autocast in TFT vs BW:
1) Heal, but so can medics
2) Bloodlust...okay, so you can't autocast stim, but you can stim all 12 at once, which isn't possible in TFT unless you have 12 shamans and that's a waste of supply.
3) Curse/slow/cure stats/spell break. On the one hand, yes its nice that they are autocast. On the other hand, there's nothing similar in BW, so we're comparing apples to empty bowls. You can't complain that there's no auto-status-change casting in BW because the only stats i know of are parasite (queen), parasite (devourer), and blind.
4) Major spells: AOEs, wards, helping animals, etc are all non-autocast. Their analogs in BW are nonexistant or also non-autocast. Psistorm couldn't be autocast even if you wanted it to, since it uses at best 1/5 of the total energy of the templart. Ditto for mind control, maelstrom, parasite, etc.
So as nice as it is that things can autocast in TFT, what's being autocast is totally auxilliary to gameplay and nonexistant in BW. If one had it and one didn't, that would be an issue.
Their AI is stupid. They are the unit in BW that "stop" and "hold position" are meaningless. I lose them constantly when they wander off though I tell them not to.
And you have 1/2 the viable units to do it with, fewer if you're using the heavy hitters. Hotkeys are your friends. I can maneuver 50 units in SC easier than I can maneuver 20 in TFT.
How I game at all? Well, my worth as a person is not wrapped up in my ability to trounce 14 year old Korean kids at a video game. Therefore, I'm not a serious player and it doesn't matter to me how I do. Still, if I want an easy game, I do BW and if I want a harder one, I do TFT. Period.
memememe173
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I don't think Link is an elf...
Inu said:
So ?
Cs is so damn boring that im not surprised sc beat it, im not impressed about Sc beating Cs, if u thought that reply would "make me see things in a different light" your... sadly mistaken.
Even windows card games beats cs
havent tried Quake 3, so i wont say anything about it.
