Gambling...does the Act # matter ?

Okey dokey. It looks like it is time to clear up the great mystery of circlet class items.

Circlet class items (as well as staves, some wand, and a few other items I might be forgetting) have something called a magic number.

Circlet = 3
Coronet = 8
Tiara = 13
Diadem = 18
Other stuff with a magic number = 1

This number is used to determine how the affixes are chosen for these items if they are magic, rare, or crafted. To do this, first you figure out which is higher, the ilvl or the qlvl. The ilvl for gambling is based upon the character level and is the thing that is +4/-5. The qlvl is inherent to the item type.

Now you take the higher of those two numbers (ilvl or qlvl) and add the magic number to this. That gives you the highest potential alvl you can get on the item. Alvl is the affix level, and usually the number you see on the AS if you look at the magic and rare prefix/suffix pages.

Now, for a Diadem, the quality level is 85, we add the magic number of 18 and we get 103. There aren’t any affixes available on circlet type items that have a higher alvl than 103, so all affixes (prefixes and suffixes) can spawn on all Diadems. The ilvl doesn’t matter. If it is lower than 85, we use the qlvl number, if it is higher, we don’t have any new affixes made available anyhow aver 103 (actually, the highest is in the 90s, so the 103 is overkill itself.)

However, all of this fun stuff has absolutely nothing to do with Set and Unique items. Set and unique items have their own qlvls, and those are used to determine if the item can be obtained from a specified source.
 
I do not have more points to make.

First, Omegamann, I'm sorry if I offended you with my comments, yeah, it's comfortable to sit here (:grin:) and say nothing personal, but it's the truth.

I just want to point out Omegamann endurace to stand the traditional rudeness of the SPF when someone claims to find an item which seems impossible to get. Omegamann, hope all this haven't gotten you sick, it's just than the SPF is tired of hackers, dupers and all that, so legitness (unfortunately) comes before kindness.

The SPF is a very kind and gentle place, except when it comes to defend legitness, I hope we can say at least: welcome
 
Cattleya: How do you manage to keep posting today without ever showing up on the Currently Active Users list? And you don't sound like yourself--no offence meant.

Sorry for the hijack, everyone.


Back on topic, I don't understand what Cattleya's stats mean. Do they make it possible or not for the diadem to exist from gambling at level 74?

Jude
 
Arreat_mercenary said:
I just want to point out Omegamann endurace to stand the traditional rudeness of the SPF when someone claims to find an item which seems impossible to get. Omegamann, hope all this haven't gotten you sick, it's just than the SPF is tired of hackers, dupers and all that, so legitness (unfortunately) comes before kindness.

The SPF is a very kind and gentle place, except when it comes to defend legitness, I hope we can say at least: welcome

Omegamann has run the gauntlet.....I say we keep him.
 
Darkwell said:
Omegamann has run the gauntlet.....I say we keep him.

Hear Hear! I'm actually moderately surprised I didn't have to put on the asbestos suit after my last post hehe.
 
Jude said:
Cattleya: How do you manage to keep posting today without ever showing up on the Currently Active Users list? And you don't sound like yourself--no offence meant.
Oops. I turned on invisiblity yesterday when I wanted to lurk and not be disturbed by PMs since I had some other stuff I had to do. I forgot to set myself back to visible. :smiley:

I'm very much myself. Perhaps a little stressed from my final projects, but any change in tone probably had to do with the fact that I am finally expressing things that I have held off on for the last several days.
 
Drixx: Actually, there is no "proof" that the original poster is legit, only interpretation and "suspicion", but we have "proof" that he is not. I still prefer to belive he is legit, judging by his attitude, though, and blame Durf for the confusion likely to have occured. Not that I would've cared if he hacked the Griffon's.

Jude: It does not make it possible to gamble a diadem at clvl 74. As both Cattleya and I tried to explain (most probably in a rather confusing manner), the magic number is taken into account only in magical, rare and crafted items, during the affix selection.

Arreat_mercenary said:
traditional rudeness of the SPF
Sad, as even I remember the days when we spoke of the traditional helpfulness and friendliness of the SPF.
 
I'm a bit confused. The the fervor in which the SPF aggresively investigates the legit-ness of new posters claims of item finds has been a hot topic lately. The common consensus that I have read has been that we shouldnt care where a player gets his/her items as long as they dont plan to trade, profit, or MP. I COMPLETELY agree with this. and he states in his second post:

"I am not trying to trade anything here or profit in any way. I thought I was just asking a question about gambling."

So I am certainly extremely curious as to why the bloody witch hunt didn't stop right after that was said in his post. Look guys I understand you take this stuff seriously, and so be it. But it IS a game. Even if the worst scenario happened, and he hacked all three items, what on earth does that have to do with his gambling question? He doesn't want to trade with you. He doesn't want to profit. Why oh why were/are so many of you getting upset over this? Why does he have to prove himself as if he is some sort of criminal?

If the SPF prides itself on honesty and kindness, I would think the most important aspect of this would be "Innocent until proven guilty". This interrogation should have only happened if he was looking to trade or profit or mp. Since he didn't want any of these things, there is no excuse for the way he was treated. And, honestly, it made me sick.

it is good to see people posting and welcoming him to this forum politefully and respectfully. I'd like to think that events like this will fade away sooner rather than later.
 
The last time I saw a thread take off this fast was when the 'Version 1.11 IS OUT' thread blasted off into outer space,
its continuing mission:
to explore strange new worlds,
to seek out new life and new civilizations,
to boldly go where no one has gone............... wait! That's another story!

I am immensely heartened to read the last few pages of this thread. I generally have a very poor view of people, what with the state of this world, but the last few posts gives me hope that there are people out there who are willing to stand up, offer a hand in friendship and give the benefit of the doubt.

It is possible to believe that this item is probable or improbable (or even impossible), and yet believe that Omegamann has been honest and legitimate in his actions and words.

Thank you to those who have accepted that things are possible, however unlikely they seem to be.

Thank you to those who have provided the facts and numbers in the hopes of shedding some light on this matter.

Thank you to those who have approached this in a logical and non-judgemental manner.

And most importantly, thank you to those who can look beyond this and who openly welcome Omegamann to this forum.

Omegamann, the majority of the posters have been in support of you, each in their own way. A few have gone to some lengths to verify that you have not intentionally cheated. Others have actively come to your defense against the nay-sayers. I hope this is strong indication that you are welcome in this forum; you certainly have earned the right to be here.

Personally, I would keep that Griffon's and your chars and stash. To appease some of the more stringent members here, I would think it wise to completely re-install DII LoD, and ensure that you use the official CDs, to prevent any mods being inadvertently installed. I know that you do not have a huge stash, so if you like, you can delete your stash as well (but keep the Griffon's, and your character). That should be enough to ensure that the majority of people here will trade/MP with you. For those who wouldn't, you need not worry about that.

And, if Omegamann chooses to participate in the SPF, it will give all of us an opportunity to interact with him, and over time, we will be able to make more informed decisions on his trustworthiness. Personally, I have no doubts.
 
Llathias said:
RTB, it will probably be too much work to explain, but if you're feeling bored, I'd be very interested in how bugged items can drop. i.e. is there another code that generates items, what determines which code will be used, what are the chances, what factors affect the chances, what are the possible consequences, etc. Thanks for all the information you've provided so far, and will provide in the future. :thumbsup:
I'm afraid there's no such thing as a buggy item generator in D2, and the chances depend on your system's stability and age. It's always possible that a bit gets flipped when it shouldn't, but most of the time this will cause a crash, or an unreadable character. The times when this bit actually influences an item are of course incredibly rare, but when it happens anything on that item that is saved with the character can be changed. Of course, this is about the MF boots of Darkwell, not the War Traveler in act2 normal. The best way those can be described is "Somewhere, something went terribly wrong.". They could be caused by a drop bug (similiar to two same uniques in one drop) or data corruption, or even a combination of both as bugs tend to happen when values are not what they were expected to be. In the case of this thread, it was problably corruption at the Ilvl part.

FrostBurn said:
The last time I saw a thread take off this fast was when the 'Version 1.11 IS OUT' thread blasted off into outer space, <snip>
Worst patch ever. :grrrr:
 
FrostBurn said:
The last time I saw a thread take off this fast was when the 'Version 1.11 IS OUT' thread blasted off into outer space,
its continuing mission:
to explore strange new worlds,
to seek out new life and new civilizations,
to boldly go where no one has gone............... wait! That's another story!

What if D3 took place.... IN SPACE!

*daydreams about upside down barbs and sorcs blasting themselves backwards because there is no friction*
 
Thanks for the explanation, RTB. As I understand it, it works very much like mutations: most likely nothing will happen, and when something does happen, it's usually a loss of function, and very very rarely, we see a totally new quality.
 
It took a while to read all this, and the SPF shocked me again.

Speak up your mind, but think first. If I had to choose which of these two is more improbable, I would have chosen the second:

1.) Omegamann gambling three uniques including griffon at lvl 74
2.) Darkwell finding his mfboots or war traveler in act2 normal

And I still think Ignorance is a bliss! (Just not in this case)

PS : Welcome to these forums Omegamann, and don't mind all the "fast-thinking" people
PSS : In the netherlands we have a saying: "Hoe de waard is, vertrouwt hij zijn gasten." I wonder if anyone will translate it, so a flamewar against me can begin.
 
Aye Llathias. It's almost like believing all of the required mutations to form an eye would have happened all at once in some "evolutionary" process. The eye is so complex, and none of the mutations by themselves would have been helpful to a species, so they all had to happen at once for an eye to evolve.

I guess if you can believe that, you can probably believe this guy gambled the item. Me personally, I don't believe in the theory of evolution by mutation, it just doesn't make sense. But I do believe this guy gambled this item :)

Hopefully my analogy didn't offend anyone. Your bringing up mutations just kind of gave me the idea to use that analogy :)


As for incredible luck... on cattle.net sometime in patch 1.09, or possibly 1.10, I was in hell cows with my bowzon and found not only an IST rune but ALSO a ZOD rune. Same public run, and I managed to get both of them. That was my best moment of luck ever, never to be equaled I fear.
 
Drixx said:
As for incredible luck... on cattle.net sometime in patch 1.09, or possibly 1.10, I was in hell cows with my bowzon and found not only an IST rune but ALSO a ZOD rune. Same public run, and I managed to get both of them. That was my best moment of luck ever, never to be equaled I fear.

If only you found it in SP and started a thread about it in the SPF.....
 
Drixx said:
Aye Llathias. It's almost like believing all of the required mutations to form an eye would have happened all at once in some "evolutionary" process. The eye is so complex, and none of the mutations by themselves would have been helpful to a species, so they all had to happen at once for an eye to evolve.

I guess if you can believe that, you can probably believe this guy gambled the item. Me personally, I don't believe in the theory of evolution by mutation, it just doesn't make sense. But I do believe this guy gambled this item :)

Hopefully my analogy didn't offend anyone. Your bringing up mutations just kind of gave me the idea to use that analogy :)


As for incredible luck... on cattle.net sometime in patch 1.09, or possibly 1.10, I was in hell cows with my bowzon and found not only an IST rune but ALSO a ZOD rune. Same public run, and I managed to get both of them. That was my best moment of luck ever, never to be equaled I fear.

I DO believe in evolution by mutation and survival of the fittest, just not in the short run. An organism with a light-sensitive cell, even when only one, has an advantage over the same organism without that cell. Then more cells, because of the advantage, then movable cells (ocular muscles), because of the advantage, then lenses and cornea to see sharper, then eyelids, to let eyes survive longer... I could make this story more scientific and more correct if you like, but I think you get my point.

Darwin for president!
 
Freekje, I took the time to translate. I'm not familiar with Dutch grammar, so I really can't figure exactly what this should be... but my stab at it literally is "How the landlord is, trusts he are guests"

Not sure why that would cause a flame war.


*Edit for Freekje* Rods and cones wouldn't be helpful by themselves. It would have had to have been dozens of mutations in the proper order. Anything out of sequence would have been worthless. I just can't accept the staggering odds against it. Personally I commend you. You have more faith than me hehe.

I'd love to continue the discussion with you by the way, but I don't want to hijack this thread any further. Are you aware of a neutral forum that wouldn't mind our use? If not, I host a few that I'm sure we could have a thread in without too much trouble.

Threads > PM's for the simple fact that you can follow the conversation better :)
 
Drixx said:
Freekje, I took the time to translate. I'm not familiar with Dutch grammar, so I really can't figure exactly what this should be... but my stab at it literally is "How the landlord is, trusts he are guests"

Not sure why that would cause a flame war.

It's more like: "How the landlord is, he trusts his guests."

Allthough I don't really believe the sentence is completely appropriate in this case. I can imagine a Landlord being deceived that many times, that he does not quickly trust his guests anymore...
 
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