Forum Mafia - The Dark Tower Game Thread

[BipolarChemist]

Yes. You're correct. Absolutely no proof whatsoever to indicate that kestegs is scum. I must have been wasting everyone's time. And yes, things get repetitive when you have scum trying to defend themselves on things that are fairly obvious. Congratulations.

/sarcasm

We are not talking about Kegs being scum, we are talking about a connection between him and BA, which you have not provided evidence for despite claiming it over and over again.

 

[Zauper]

I think I quoted everyone but perhaps I missed some.

Why was it an odd time for cdm to claim? Would you have claimed a VT role then? Why or why not?

There were (3?) votes against him, and more suspicion on other players than him. I do not claim unless there is a reason that benefits town to claim, and I don't see how a claim in that situation -- as VT -- is beneficial to town. VT claims are fairly weak (it narrows the targets for scum at night to go after town roles). There is no reason to claim on d1 without substantial pressure against you.

What about you? Would you claim at that point as VT?

 

[Kestegs]

It was this quote from Coju that I found interesting, so I decided to look further into the link between kestegs and BA. And there is a definite link, more than any link between any other characters.





I don't know exactly what the link was that Coju saw, but the fact that he saw a link only made me more strongly believe that what I saw between kestegs and BA was a definite link. I may have to go collect the specific posts between the two to make it more clearer for people though.

Yes, that post of Cujo's doesn't actually say anything, and yet multiple people are referencing it.

 

[Kestegs]

I think I quoted everyone but perhaps I missed some.

Why was it an odd time for cdm to claim? Would you have claimed a VT role then? Why or why not?

I did pretty well explain this already, but I'll do it again.

There's no benefit to the town. What it creates is additional wifom for the town and very little wifom for scum.

I'm also skeptical about there actually being VT roles in the game at all.

No, I would not have claimed then.

 

[Goryani]

Since you all know cdm better than I...if this behavior of his is this atypical and this random, I'd be inclined to think that it's linked to a role he's been assigned, something that requires behavior like this of him. From what I can recollect of the series, it seems that only members of the red would have roles that would require weird behavior from the person assigned it, so...

I take it you see a lot of scum post restrictions in your IRC games...

erm... don't mention pms. You're not the only one, but the latest in the bunch ><

I was referring to information in the pm, and didn't quote anything. I assume this is acceptable given the rules

Would be good to hear from Drixx on this, but my understanding is that talking about a pm is ok, just not trying to quote or compare it in any way.

As the author of the original version of the rule: Conveying information contained within a PM is OK as long as you don't reference the PM. The PM doesn't exist so don't mention it. Talk as if the information comes from you rather than from the mod.

Drixx may have another idea, but that's how I would mod it.

 

[Kestegs]

There were (3?) votes against him, and more suspicion on other players than him. I do not claim unless there is a reason that benefits town to claim, and I don't see how a claim in that situation -- as VT -- is beneficial to town. VT claims are fairly weak (it narrows the targets for scum at night to go after town roles). There is no reason to claim on d1 without substantial pressure against you.

What about you? Would you claim at that point as VT?

Have you played forum mafia before? I was under the impression that you had only played live mafia before.

 

[Zauper]

Kestegs: how much forum mafia experience do you have?

 

[Zauper]

Have you played forum mafia before? I was under the impression that you had only played live mafia before.

I've played forum mafia and live mafia before. You're probably thinking about someone else Drixx recruited. I've never played here before, I played on a different website with some friends for a year or so.

 

[Phillinnicus]

That is probably how these things work.



I feel like there is neutrals from Drixx's post in the sign up thread made it clear that there were neutrals.

*double checked* never should have doubted you kestegs.

The town is called "The White"
The mafia is called "The Red"
The neutrals, if there are any, will know what they are called.

The first thing that irked me: "never should have doubted you kestegs." It seems like they're on "buddy status" already.

I don't think those BA quotes from yesterday are useful. But maybe I'm just missing something?

This seems like a, "I don't notice anything scummy about my mafia partner, please leave him alone!" The main reason why this one seems like perfect evidence is that me and BA BOTH joked about our posts. Why would kestegs latch onto mine more than BA's? Obviously because they're scum buddies.

This is a serious game. I shall be seriously rude.



Only someone who is actually a jester would think that.



No.

Should I?

Do you?

The "Only someone who is actually a jester would think that." part is in response to BA. To anyone just reading over they would think it's just joking around, but to me it seems a subtle way of painting BA as something other than mafia.

Can you explain what you mean by that? I don't remember what CG said or whatever yesterday that would illicit this response.

An attempt to make it look like kestegs had no idea that CG was onto BA, he doesn't want to be linked to him in any way. But I think he's already slipped up enough to warrant a vote. And that's where my vote is staying. The bolded parts are the really irksome ones.

 

[Zauper]

I've played forum mafia and live mafia before. You're probably thinking about someone else Drixx recruited. I've never played here before, I played on a different website with some friends for a year or so.

And for the record, we never used terms like WIFOM and LAMIST . I played one game on another website that did, but don't really remember them all.

 

[Kestegs]

Kestegs: how much forum mafia experience do you have?

Lol@my ninja of you.

I've played almost every game in the past 2ish years. So probably 20 or more games.

 

[Phillinnicus]

It's going to be tough to respond to that as I'm now on my phone and you botched the quoting. It was understandable though at least.

I don't think the first vote on a train is the most important part at all. I look far closer at the people jumping on it.

I'm going to say this for a THIRD time: I was at work. Saying I'm lying about my RL activities is a scummy sick move and isn't something you should ever do in a game. It's not something I ever do and I hate seeing people do it, whether it's me it someone else. If I say something in RL has hindered my posting then you can take that to the bank, and I give everyone else the same benefit of the doubt. If you want to build a case against me that's fine, just play a clean game.

My apologies. Proper evidence has been posted now.

 

[Zauper]

Lol@my ninja of you.

I've played almost every game in the past 2ish years. So probably 20 or more games.

The ninja was pretty amusing. That said:

I did pretty well explain this already, but I'll do it again.

There's no benefit to the town. What it creates is additional wifom for the town and very little wifom for scum.

I'm also skeptical about there actually being VT roles in the game at all.

No, I would not have claimed then.

You're a mafia vet. You just claimed non-VT. This means there are two options:
1) You're mafia and didn't notice the slip OR
2) You're a town role and you just openly claimed. I don't believe a vet would do this.

Vote: Kestegs

 

[Kestegs]

The ninja was pretty amusing. That said:


You're a mafia vet. You just claimed non-VT. This means there are two options:
1) You're mafia and didn't notice the slip OR
2) You're a town role and you just openly claimed. I don't believe a vet would do this.

Vote: Kestegs

I don't get what you're trying to say there. I didn't openly claim.

There's a huge difference between claiming VT and claiming non VT. At this point I'm not going to tell you exactly why, but as a seasoned player I think you can figure out some theoretical reasons.

 

[Goryani]

Uh I'm pretty sure this is actually just Freaky Friday and I'm Jamie Lee Curtis (you're Lindsay Lohan, sorry).

Copycat!

preview edit: It's supposed to start at 2:07 into the clip but that doesn't seem to be working right now.

Are you just assuming healer means doc? This seems like a very sure statement.

Of all the things to notice in Zauper's post...

No mafia kill means...

 

[BipolarChemist]

Of all the things to notice in Zauper's post...

It was definitely his butt.

 

[pharphis]

Vote 2: Zauper

 

[Zauper]

Lol@my ninja of you.

I've played almost every game in the past 2ish years. So probably 20 or more games.

I don't get what you're trying to say there. I didn't openly claim.

There's a huge difference between claiming VT and claiming non VT. At this point I'm not going to tell you exactly why, but as a seasoned player I think you can figure out some theoretical reasons.

You openly claimed that you were not VT by saying you don't think VT exists.

I'm trying to think of a scenario where a claim like that benefits town and I'm coming up short. Governor pardoning self if you got hanged? Maybe you're the bulletproof from last night? But if that were the case you would benefit from just flat out roleclaiming and forcing mafia to spend a day kill on you if they have any. Same thing if you have a role that is a oneshot and kills self/killer if you're killed at night.

I'm just not confident that claiming non-VT like that is a pro town move. It's pretty obvious, and it makes you a night target IF you are town. If you're not town, it could just as easily have been a slip.

Is there a way to view all posts by a single player in these forums/threads?

 

[flubbucket1]

For the record I am not seeing the ba kestegs connection. It feels almost like a qt planned train - doesn't help that phili and cdm are both on my suspect list

I agree. I don't see the connection between Bad Ash and kestegs. I think I'm being force fed something.

Wrote this out yesterday:



To clarify;I'm having fun posting, then I'm having fun reading and not posting. Think I thanked you in Batman game for showing me how I could play and have fun so I'm taking a page from your book and posting whatever I feel like posting...which leads me to wonder why you've changed your style so much *cough* scum *cough*



LOL, getting night killed is my biggest power? Voting is my only power! You're still on my list, scumbucket.



I need no wiki! I am well versed in the lore.

Having fun is what I'm here for as well. Glad to hear it!!!! Some of your posts did make me laugh.

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Gwaihir for him pointing out how he finds Sathoris' posts somewhat fishy (which I agree with) and how he's stated he was silenced, which to me seems like something that would most likely happen to a towny (somewhat flimsy evidence with this one).

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I have a gnawing suspicion regarding Gwaihir and his silencing, so pointing out Sathoris' "fishy" posts isn't going to put him in any way in a townie position. This is not logical.

Vote: Gwaihir

Busy now, more tomorrow. Not seeing this supposed link Phil has spammed himself in seeing together with kestegs many responses

I must hear more about this....MORE BECAUSE OF MORE!!!!

I understand that you're gathering these posts for evidence, but you've been trying to prove a link for hours now and coming up with nothing. The only 'evidence' that you've put forth is Coju's post, which, according to you, you don't understand and your own opinion that there is a link. I have seen nothing concrete and its all pretty wishy-washy.

Again, agreed no link seen. Coju's opinion is not any more valid than mine. Opinions aren't evidence.

The first thing that irked me: "never should have doubted you kestegs." It seems like they're on "buddy status" already.



This seems like a, "I don't notice anything scummy about my mafia partner, please leave him alone!" The main reason why this one seems like perfect evidence is that me and BA BOTH joked about our posts. Why would kestegs latch onto mine more than BA's? Obviously because they're scum buddies.



The "Only someone who is actually a jester would think that." part is in response to BA. To anyone just reading over they would think it's just joking around, but to me it seems a subtle way of painting BA as something other than mafia.



An attempt to make it look like kestegs had no idea that CG was onto BA, he doesn't want to be linked to him in any way. But I think he's already slipped up enough to warrant a vote. And that's where my vote is staying. The bolded parts are the really irksome ones.

The bolded/underlined part you refer to is an assumption not a logical assumption. I am not in any way defending kestegs. However, I would like to be able to vote for someone based on facts and not manipulation. Your statement could very well be a scum's attempt to get townie kestegs lynched could it not??

 

[Kestegs]

You openly claimed that you were not VT by saying you don't think VT exists.

I'm trying to think of a scenario where a claim like that benefits town and I'm coming up short. Governor pardoning self if you got hanged? Maybe you're the bulletproof from last night? But if that were the case you would benefit from just flat out roleclaiming and forcing mafia to spend a day kill on you if they have any. Same thing if you have a role that is a oneshot and kills self/killer if you're killed at night.

I'm just not confident that claiming non-VT like that is a pro town move. It's pretty obvious, and it makes you a night target IF you are town. If you're not town, it could just as easily have been a slip.

Is there a way to view all posts by a single player in these forums/threads?

Ah, I see what you're on about now.

Yes, that was intentional. I do actually believe there aren't any VTs in the game, and we've already had two claim. I felt it was a good idea for me to put it out there when I did.

There used to be a way to view posts like that but it's broken. It's rather frustrating for mafia games.