Moar, I believed your claim when you shot Drixx. To me, it seemed like it sprang from genuine anger. I suspect that if you were mafia your response would have been delayed and driven more by clinical reasoning than actual emotion. If you are mafia, then I congratulate you on a brilliant ploy.
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coju
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What information would we gain from a mislynch?
And, BA, why would you claim vanilla? Trying to stay alive?
IWantToUseNumbersInMyName
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Moar claimed drixx was anti town. If she flipped town, we would have a more accurate idea of remaining scum count, and could thus make more informed decisions about Mylo/lylo, in addition to being able to go over his posts and seeing what information. If any, we could draw from the votes that were placed on drixx before he was shot. Very possible that there would be scum there hiding in the likely lynch of someone who had just done a day kill. If moar flips anti town, still more information for us to go off of than just a ba lunch.
IWantToUseNumbersInMyName
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Technomancer
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Sorry I missed day close yesterday. A couple friends came over, I lost track of time and suddenly it was after 5:00. :\
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p) and that's what I normally do in games. I usually play games with a theme I'm quite familiar with and I like to dig into it, thinking like "what would I do if *I* were running this game?" (I consider myself an armchair game designer 
) I do think it's helpful in order to catch people who are making stuff up or are more than meets the eye. Your Ice spell didn't fit right with the lore, but I'm willing to admit I *may* have been mistaken (looking back, you can thank Jcakes for making me consider it). Conveniently, it seems the only other person who can verify it is dead by your hand.
I also like filling in people who are not as familiar with the theme so those who are can't so easily fool them. I also like to do it when I can't think of much else to add to the conversation. It's better than doing nothing.
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Jcakes was "going after" several of us: Ash, FredOfErik, and myself. He seemed especially intent on FoE at the end over the role-claim stuff, and FoE potentially had something to lose if Jcakes was still alive today. Not looking good...
Ash, I haven't been able to get a very good read on him, but the more I think about it, Gory *is* a good player and since he was obviously town, I wonder if he may have been on to something.
Moar, still think it's a 50/50 lynch, but better than nothing. I'm pretty bummed I missed the end of yesterday, but I apparently didn't miss anything :\.
Numbers, I have my suspicions, call it a hunch, but no proof of anything yet.
AnnualAnt, I'm not getting any scum reads from him. I think he's probably town.
Noodle, Lurker extraordinaire, unreadable.
Goldtru, I have no idea. If Moar is mafia, Goldtru's stock goes up a little because Drixx was likely town. If Moar (almost spelled it "More"
) is town, Goldtru starts to look a bit more like a grieving scum-buddy.
Zokar, Mmm, I guess I basically believe him and lean towards him being town.
Coju, earlier in the game I was getting a town vibe from him. He seemed to be voicing a lot of my same concerns, namely about Goryani. He's gone kinda quiet(er) until today, I don't really have a read.
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p) and that's what I normally do in games. I usually play games with a theme I'm quite familiar with and I like to dig into it, thinking like "what would I do if *I* were running this game?" (I consider myself an armchair game designer ) I do think it's helpful in order to catch people who are making stuff up or are more than meets the eye. Your Ice spell didn't fit right with the lore, but I'm willing to admit I *may* have been mistaken (looking back, you can thank Jcakes for making me consider it). Conveniently, it seems the only other person who can verify it is dead by your hand.I also like filling in people who are not as familiar with the theme so those who are can't so easily fool them. I also like to do it when I can't think of much else to add to the conversation. It's better than doing nothing.
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Jcakes was "going after" several of us: Ash, FredOfErik, and myself. He seemed especially intent on FoE at the end over the role-claim stuff, and FoE potentially had something to lose if Jcakes was still alive today. Not looking good...
Ash, I haven't been able to get a very good read on him, but the more I think about it, Gory *is* a good player and since he was obviously town, I wonder if he may have been on to something.
Moar, still think it's a 50/50 lynch, but better than nothing. I'm pretty bummed I missed the end of yesterday, but I apparently didn't miss anything :\.
Numbers, I have my suspicions, call it a hunch, but no proof of anything yet.
AnnualAnt, I'm not getting any scum reads from him. I think he's probably town.
Noodle, Lurker extraordinaire, unreadable.
Goldtru, I have no idea. If Moar is mafia, Goldtru's stock goes up a little because Drixx was likely town. If Moar (almost spelled it "More"
) is town, Goldtru starts to look a bit more like a grieving scum-buddy.Zokar, Mmm, I guess I basically believe him and lean towards him being town.
Coju, earlier in the game I was getting a town vibe from him. He seemed to be voicing a lot of my same concerns, namely about Goryani. He's gone kinda quiet(er) until today, I don't really have a read.
FredOfErik
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I think it's too late in the game to lynch for finding out stuff about dead players. I fear that we are close to mylo/lylo than we realize. That being said, I still think Moar could be scum.
coju
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Vote: IWantToUseNumbersInMyName
(No harm)Your thought process may be flawed. At this point in the game where we have so many unclaimed deaths, and a few claimed town deaths, I don't believe this is in our best interest. Yes, it would give us information about drixx and moar, but at what cost? Potentially losing another town/potentially lynching a scum (moar lynch).
Unvote: IWantToUseNumbersInMyName
There may be better choices for today...
IWantToUseNumbersInMyName
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That's reasonable. There are 3 people who I find scummy atm, who I listed before. That was just my way to choose one to lynch over the other 2.
AnnualAntAnswers
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Yesterday I came to be suspicious of BA, though I have my reservations. Namely, his efforts at convincing town to be quick and decisive felt like he might be trying to manipulate through creation of a sense of urgency. But I'm concerned too that town should get moving, so it's not really a definitive read I have on BA. I just felt that he was agreeing with things a lot and might have been trying to parrot stuff back to cozy in with a few new supporters.
Moar is the elephant in the room (no offence Moar!). I think a lot of people are feeling uneasy until we have an answer there. Mind you, I have concerns that lynching Moar might be a mistake and I'm very worried about mistakenly lynching a town player.
And Techno I didn't really have a read on. To be honest, yesterday I was a little suspicious of Jcakes, though reading back through last day I can't find specifically why so it may have just been conjecture drawn from a quick read-through on my phone.
AnnualAntAnswers
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OK, let's get the ball rolling.
Vote: Bad Ash
I might change that but I want to keep some things happening here
Vote: Bad Ash
I might change that but I want to keep some things happening here
IWantToUseNumbersInMyName
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I asked for peoples opinions and I think you only shared your opinion on the people I had an opinion on. Do you have any thoughts that aren't related to Bad Ash, Moar, or Techno?
Bad Ash: Squire
Coju: Chemist
Tehcno: No Claim<<did you claim and I just missed it?
Numbers: Monk
Eric the Fred: No claim<<Did I miss this claim?
Gold: Squire
Noodle: Refused to claim
Moar: Black Mage
Zokar: Squire
Antswers: Knight
Would you prefer that I lied? Do you believe in lynch all liars? Please explain why yes or why no.
What's a ba lunch?
There is a lot to dislike about this post and it gets even worse if ba lunch is supposed to say ba hunch.
Vote: Numbers
You want to lynch someone to learn more about mylo/lylo? Sounds like a scum who is close or in it.
You want to lynch someone off of more than a hunch? A. WE HAVE ONE LYNCH. B. LOOK AT A! Also, I was the last person to vote for Moar so how is my hunch the driving factor of that train?
Thirdly, you act like me voting on a hunch is wrong and different from how you are playing this game. Sorry, I have nothing to go off of except for posts and hunches. Please tell me what you are basing your votes off of.
Numbers is scum.
Sounds like a planned narrative.
FoE and Numbers are the two people I'd like to see lynched. I would also vote for Moar because I think she could be scum.
IWantToUseNumbersInMyName
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It was supposed to say BA lynch. Sorry, phone posted. And my espousal of a moar lynch isn't because of the mylo/lylo thing. I view three people equally likely to be scum, yourself, techno, and moar, for various reasons. In Moars case, there's additional information to be gained. When I view multiple options as equally likely to be scum, I look for additional reasons to go for one lynch over the others.
My order of preference for lynching is as such: Moar, Techno, BA.
Moar: possible extra information to be gained from the lynch.
Techno: No particular benefit or detriment either way.
BA: Confirmed as a squire by a townie, and thus if scum is likely the weakest member of the scum team. Lynching eventually is good, lynching first is unnecessary.
My order of preference for lynching is as such: Moar, Techno, BA.
Moar: possible extra information to be gained from the lynch.
Techno: No particular benefit or detriment either way.
BA: Confirmed as a squire by a townie, and thus if scum is likely the weakest member of the scum team. Lynching eventually is good, lynching first is unnecessary.
I believe you about hunch vs. lynch and it does make your post less scummy.
Does your vote list change if we are in mylo or lylo today? If we lynch Moar and she is town, do you think we are in Mylo/Lylo tomorrow? What if Moar is scum?
IWantToUseNumbersInMyName
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10 left, 5 to lynch. There are either 4 or 5 scum to start this game most likely. The town doesn't seem super overpowered, so I don't see any reason for there to be any sort of skewing above the normal numbers
If Moar is town, and thus wasn't lying about Drixx's flip, we're down to 3 or 4. So lynching moar and suffering a NK tonight leaves us at 8, with 3 or 4 scum left.
If Moar is scum, and was lying about Drixx's flip, we're down to 3 or 4. So lynching her and suffering an NK leaves us at 8, with 3 or 4 scum left.
So, basically, we're only in Mylo(if 4 scum) or Lylo(if 5 scum) if Moar is scum, and none of the extra kills were targeted at scum(which we should assume was the case).
With all that said, my vote list can't logically change. Lynching Moar is the only mathematical way I see to be sure that we don't lose today, in the worst case scenario.
Thank you BA. I hadn't actually thought through the implications of lynching Moar. I think I can confidently Vote: Moar now, safe in the knowledge that, barring extra kills, we aren't shooting ourselves in the foot by doing so.
If Moar is town, and thus wasn't lying about Drixx's flip, we're down to 3 or 4. So lynching moar and suffering a NK tonight leaves us at 8, with 3 or 4 scum left.
If Moar is scum, and was lying about Drixx's flip, we're down to 3 or 4. So lynching her and suffering an NK leaves us at 8, with 3 or 4 scum left.
So, basically, we're only in Mylo(if 4 scum) or Lylo(if 5 scum) if Moar is scum, and none of the extra kills were targeted at scum(which we should assume was the case).
With all that said, my vote list can't logically change. Lynching Moar is the only mathematical way I see to be sure that we don't lose today, in the worst case scenario.
Thank you BA. I hadn't actually thought through the implications of lynching Moar. I think I can confidently Vote: Moar now, safe in the knowledge that, barring extra kills, we aren't shooting ourselves in the foot by doing so.
IWantToUseNumbersInMyName
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Actually, now that I think about it...if there are 5 scum remaining, at this point they could all vote for someone and get that person lynched, and it would be impossible to lock any of them. Then they could shoot someone tonight, maintain parity, and the game would effectively be over right now. So, there can't possibly be more than 4 remaining right now. I think it's most likely that, unless there's a second killing faction as techno suggested, there were 5 scum to start, and only 4 remain. The gwaihir kill and extra NK most likely hit town...so, that leaves me no choice but to conclude that Moar is actually most likely town.
Bah. Hate flip flopping like that, but I think it makes sense now unless someone can tell me why I'm being stupid? With that said...
Unvote: Moar
Vote: Technomancer?
Bah. Hate flip flopping like that, but I think it makes sense now unless someone can tell me why I'm being stupid? With that said...
Unvote: Moar
Vote: Technomancer?
Technomancer
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Lol, you copy-pasted Jcakes post and didn't even notice that I claimed in the very next post (#470). He actually ninja'd me, I started writing out my claim before he posted. You took the time to scribe your own claim into his list, but for the record, I claimed well before you did. You didn't even claim until he already exposed your job. Were you waiting to see if he would?
FredOfErik claimed White Mage on page 53, in quite a huff and with no further details. Jcakes was conveniently unable to verify it.
I have no idea why you are being stupid. Alcohol? Prescription drugs maybe?
So what happened to your suspicions about BA? What the heck are you doing? Are you playing spin the scummy? Random voting? It looks like you're just spreading confusion and trying to cause a no lynch. Sparring with your scum-buddy Bad Ash and randomly landing on someone other than him? The more I look, the less I like both of you. How in the heck does any of that make Moar less likely scum? That doesn't make any sense. It would be super awesome if Moar was town, but wishful thinking and chances have nothing to do with one another. You are really starting to concern me. And not because you voted for me.
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Do you (or anyone else for that matter) not think it suspicious that after the firefight between FoE and Jcakes over his claim yesterday (all but guaranteeing an investigation), Jcakes wakes up dead? I'm curious that no one has mentioned that. I'm starting to think you, Ash, FoE, and/or Moar are on the same team. You and Ash both jumped on the middle of the Moar train yesterday, would have been awful convenient to pull off her if a couple more of us had showed up.
FoE, care to share any more info about your job?
Technomancer
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Where are Goldtru and Zokar? They haven't posted yet, hopefully it's just the weekend lull. We can't afford any more modkills. 
IWantToUseNumbersInMyName
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Scum Moar means I find it highly likely that there are 5 scum remaining. If that were the case, we would have already lost. Therefore, there must be 4 scum remaining at most, and Moar is not one of them. I expressed earlier that I think you're a better scum lynch than BA would, and gave my reason why. Between yourself and BA is quite a tossup, and the reasons for voting one over the other negligible.
I actually copied Jcakes post way back when he made it, and never updated it, hence my questions about those claims.
Attempting to cause confusion and a no lynch is the absolute last thing I want...and even if it were, why would I even bother? The town is doing plenty of thumb twiddling that leads to no lynching without me doing anything at all. Extremely heavy handed and terrible play if I wanted to try to confuse the town and cause a no lynch.
Same thing behind the Jcakes kill. FoE and Jcakes claimed the same class, but jcakes offered more information about his abilities. Then Jcakes was killed. Feels like either a very bad play that just draws attention to FoE if he's scum, or an attempt to frame FoE.
Regarding my late claim...why would I care if Jcakes had my class? What information about my alignment did that really give anyone? Were I scum, why would I care? As a matter of fact, were I scum, it would have been in my best interest to claim my class as quickly as possible, once I knew there was someone out there who could confirm my class for me and give me that tiny bit of town cred.
My vote's going to have to stay on you for now. The things you're saying appear to be valid concerns at first, but upon further reflection they're just straw man arguments.
FoE: What are your powers, and what were your targets?
I actually copied Jcakes post way back when he made it, and never updated it, hence my questions about those claims.
Attempting to cause confusion and a no lynch is the absolute last thing I want...and even if it were, why would I even bother? The town is doing plenty of thumb twiddling that leads to no lynching without me doing anything at all. Extremely heavy handed and terrible play if I wanted to try to confuse the town and cause a no lynch.
Same thing behind the Jcakes kill. FoE and Jcakes claimed the same class, but jcakes offered more information about his abilities. Then Jcakes was killed. Feels like either a very bad play that just draws attention to FoE if he's scum, or an attempt to frame FoE.
Regarding my late claim...why would I care if Jcakes had my class? What information about my alignment did that really give anyone? Were I scum, why would I care? As a matter of fact, were I scum, it would have been in my best interest to claim my class as quickly as possible, once I knew there was someone out there who could confirm my class for me and give me that tiny bit of town cred.
My vote's going to have to stay on you for now. The things you're saying appear to be valid concerns at first, but upon further reflection they're just straw man arguments.
FoE: What are your powers, and what were your targets?
