Ender's Mafia Game

[Goryani]

I asked him about it when he decided he was going to use it on Solar Ice, he said his role pm didn't say but he assumed it was a night time only use.

That fits. I had to ask pharphis if it was night or day. pharphis said either and pointed out the daytime use (kill: command in game).

 

[Drixx]

Missed this one, go to the first unread Pyro, pay attention...



With night talk like that? What? When I was posting in the night chat, I was speaking in the perspective of the group as a whole, we needed to get fred out (because we knew the holes in his post), and we needed to protect Jason (but couldn't because it would block his ability), and the only way we could do that is by claiming the vig kill that Sathoris used. I am admitting that in the post Jason received, the only viable way I saw to ensure that FoE would have been lynched yesterday would have been to claim that Sath performed the Vig kill on Solar, but I wasn't going to put us both out in the open before discussing it with him, not that I could have anyway since I wasn't around for the end half of the last day phase.

To me he still seemed the same as always, suspicous, and conveluted, but thats how he plays every game.

Gory has gone on the offensive because he's hoping we won't add up all the things that don't make sense and realize that he's not a townie. I'm gonna go take a nap since today is done and honestly I don't expect that I'll be around tomorrow. Gory did a spectacular job drawing out most of the town's power roles and even directly killed one... and nearly got away without anyone stopping to consider whether it made any sense or not.

 

[Goryani]

I told you he was for certain pro-town. You pressed me on it and I told you I didn't want to say more until I heard back from the mod. Nonetheless, I told you and you ignored me and you killed a townie. You still haven't given your own name or role claim and quite frankly it seems to me that as soon as you knew for sure he was a townie, that's when you killed him.

More and more it looks like you're an anti-town vigilante. We know for sure know that Sathoris was a pro-town one, and people have been commenting that having two pro-town seems unlikely. Now that I think about it, you waited until it was pretty clear that Sathoris was a townie with a power role and then you took him out. You then refused to tell us the flip until you drew out his partner as well.

Doing the math ... you, Goryani, are scum. Make peace with whatever being you answer to because we're coming for you tomorrow.

You obviously had benefit of a cop investigation. You chose to investigate Sathoris AND Pyro. I'm assuming you thought both scummy enough to be investigated at the time you investigated them. THAT's the scummy I was referring to.

 

[pharphis]

Surprise! turns out I'm around for day-end.

Why was the Admiral fired?

It's confidential.

Bu -

- You know I'm just kidding, right?
It's entirely due to his negligence preceding the events yesterday. We all saw that attack coming from a mile away. So did the kids, for god's sake.

We're all involved in at least some way.

Well let's hope the politicians can get whatever it is out of their butt until after the 3rd invasion.





FredOfErik has been lynched.
He was Admiral Chamrajnagar, mafia goon

 

[pharphis]

He was a bit nosy, wasn't he?

Yeah. It's no wonder the students didn't want him around anymore.

Some of them even joked that he was more nosy than Rose De Nose. Ha!

I can't believe he's still here. We know he's lousy. Lazy, mostly.

We have to keep him because he's doing well, despite the laziness, and it wouldn't make much sense to the students if we kicked him out early.






Drixx has died

It is now day, which will last 48 hours as usual.

There are 13 players alive, 7 to lynch, 8 to lock.

 

[Goryani]

I suppose I can't delay any longer. At least two sides are out to get me now.

I'm Bonzo Madrid. I'm NOT mafia. I'm a lyncher though it wasn't named as such (I assume for lore reasons). I won't say my target just yet.

I'm willing to make a deal with either town or mafia. I can take out someone during the day and I'm willing to use that ability on a target of your choice in return for living long enough to have a chance at my win con.

 

[flubbucket1]

Okay Goryani, I'll buy you a lolly if you'll lynch mafia.

Deal??

 

[Jason Maher]

Poor scum. Couldn't get rid of all 3 of us in one night. Hopefully they're out of day kills.

Vote: Goryani

 

[Jason Maher]

Should read before posting. Unvote: Goryani

I'm listening. Better start some fast talking. You can begin with how many of these day kills you have.

 

[Jason Maher]

Hmmm... someone ain't getting their $200...

 

[Goryani]

I can kill once per day.

 

[Thyiad1]

That seems a bit excessive.

 

[Gwaihir]

Ok, after a night I have a new top suspect.I also hate computers. I went through and found all zemaj's posts and then lost it. Did it again now, and I think I got all the posts, but hard to tell without having the function for it.

interesting conversations about lore/backstory...
so, out of curiosity, exactly how beneficial is that sort of thing to the actual game, usually? :|
As for my contribution to such dialogue, it has been years since I read Ender's Game. However, unlike everyone else I was not taken with the story, never read the sequels & couldn't even start to theorycraft based on content. (not that I thought the book was BAD, I just wasn't impressed)

I had thought it was obvious, but I'm a big fan of sarcasme... oh well, at least pyro gets me :thumbup:
Anyway, I'd like to hear what Drixx thinks about this supposed framing-esque-thingy theory. He's the only one left in this snafu to not have said anything about it....

... so much to read through...
... so hungover...
I'll get back with something of substance, at some point...

Nothing said during twilight or Day 1 until:

Crap... running out of time.... hopefully get to finish but what I have so far:

Got in a bit late & thought I would have time to catch up, which had me finishing reading 5mins after nightfall.
No vote because I didn't feel compelled to place one on anyone, particularly. I thought the case against korial was weak & no one else really got grilled enough to give vibes (as much my fault as anyones & actually Phil-however-it-goes got a bit of attention, but again, not convincing/damning)

while I agree with target-painting & role-claim, I can't shake that the first theory is coming from a irritated partner... didn't know about Jason's ploy & afraid he going to throw you under the bus next, perhaps? Or did he just take your gambit before you could play it?

1) of course its odd, but no more odd than you bulldogging on it so relentlessly, to the exclusion of much else.
2) "clear up all my doubts", really? So the full claim that you keep pressing will alleviate your concern totally? That strikes me as especially odd that after so much banter, anything Jason would do would placate you.
3) of course... thats just smart play. In chess you don't focus on the single move do you? Of course not, its always the long-term if you have an inkling of what you are doing.

maybe I'm reading too far into this but the more you go on about this, the less convinced I am that you are really as concerned about whats townie-play as you put off & more that you are chasing your own agenda...

Bravo, sir! A masterpiece of beauracratic obfuscation!
Vote: Moar/FredOfEric

patently BS, but a great read.

Last post before Day 1. Finally some scumhunting. Directed mostly at Drixx. The entire argument againt FOE was "Bravo, sir! A masterpiece of beauracratic obfuscation!." No mention of being a bomb. Sounds more like you are hopping on a lynch train to me.

at the base concept, only scum are reluctant to risk dying to take out a possilbe anti-town...
and that does seem a hurried revote when its pointed out it wouldn't be harmful... just have a change of heart & recant in ~45mins?
and I don't think it needed to be pointed out so directly...
yes, I will get to that momentarily. :nod:

:scratchchin: seem a bit light on your thoughts there, Leo. Keeping things simple?
*part2 coming soon*

pinging my scumdar so far:
Drixx:
has been extremely anxious to appear town, while being increasingly anxious for a heavily breadcrumbed investigative PR to fully disclose everything. While this isn't entirely outside the realm of townie play, its highly suspicious, at best.
Val:
has pretty much been hitting every other scum-tell in the book.
Fred:
This is the big one. After significant scoop by PR, he claims. But, the only exonerating bits of his claim, the parts where he implies that it must be a passive PR, (eavesdropper/tracker) are easy to guess by the heavy breadcrumbing of Jason (note that Gory figured it out, too). Then there is the bit about the double bomb-masons, which at best is a rather anti-town coupling, especially the lynch-lock only bomb. I'm more sure than anything else that this is the biggest tell. 'Why?', I hear you ask, well because its simple to me, as I am also a bomb by the character name of Crazy Tom. Now, maybe its just me, but 3 townie-bombs? That seems especially unbalanced...
To the WIFOM:
that both Fred & Val survived the night (especially Fred) just makes them reek of scum. I know that when I play as scum, nothing makes me happier than NK'ing a failed lynch. Its wonderful for denying town info & causing confusion. Fred came damned close to a lynch yesterday, with another trying to get going on Val, yet the mafia kill BipolarChemist, who had barely even posted. Now I get why they didn't go for Jason... his role-claim begs a Doc save, and losing a NK is horrible to scum. But why on earth would they shy away from Fred, who along with heavy suspicion, has neatly worked in the threat of a lynching-bomb, thus assuring that he isn't going to be lynched easily. They gave up an easy kill to deny info to take out a lurker? Not buying it.
Vote: FredofErik
PS - okay, sorry this is a bit later than I meant.... fell asleep at my keyboard & have to be at work in 45mins, so this is a bit rushed, I'll polish when I get in from work, if need be.
PPS - as per above, this is only current as of my previous post.

Here is the vote and the claim. After the train is already forming. Seems like someone formed a plan when you realized FOE was a goner.

I do always enjoy the heart-flutter that comes when I read the "Kill" tag! Day-vigs are awesome :nod:

... with no reveal, however, its not nearly as awesome :no:

explanation is that I passed out drafting that post, and hurried to post it before I went to work, without reading-up. If you think that is a pretty lame excuse you are right, & if its any consolation I have been asking myself the same questions & arriving at much harsher conclusions in the past ~30mins.


I think things have officially escalated to "Bat-**** Crazy"

I just hope that Gory got a role-flip, for as much as that is/will be worth....

the suspense is palpable

I like my vote where it is for time being

a bit... I have one you definitely need to check: yourself

an insane/paranoid cop is a very dangerous thing, and I am inclined to agree with Gory in that multiple vigs seems improbable, yet if Sath was townie, why would he lie?

...first reaction to a cop reveal is to question the sanity and reccomend they waste a night checking it? That screams scum.

my rub with that is that I have never heard or experienced a mafia-vig, much less a mafia-day-vig... as such, a day-vig gets major townie points in my book, no matter how ill-concieved their targetting was. Still, I won't discount anything until evidence proves one way or the other, especially around these forums.

not if we are considering the possibility of bus drivers. Or role-blockers. Or any of another dozen such PRs, most of them not the usual townie roles.

I'm starting to wonder if you're not getting cross-chatter between a cult & scum... the part about one person needing protecting over the use of an ability seems likely to be a recruiter being shielded for later use. This also aligns with theories of multiple anti-town elements.

in any event, I fully agree with a more consolidated effort to secure a lynch since it seems to be the only way we are going to get any first-hand info.

@Gory:
so that is a confirmation of Sath's claim?

okay... at least a few pieces are falling in place.

anyway, on my way to work & doubt I'll get off before nightfall. To those that will be around but haven't voted, just make sure we get a lynch, we need more incontrovertible evidence.

also, with more of his replies, I am more apt to believe Gory. His hauteur and condescension just scream mafia veteran red-faced over a blatant eff-up. :nod:

wow, made it back in time to post!

wow, that's a whole lot of spinning wheels I missed...

to butt in the current conversation, I actually felt that Pyro was far scummier than Sath. The only scummy thing Sath did was not answer every question you directly posted at him, Gory. As far as that goes, has anyone EVER answered ALL the questions you asked of them, Gory? You do tend to beat a dead-horse when you find your 'favorite' that game....

*immediately

I make a second post to point out that Sath did answer most of Gory's questions, eventually. Wasn't someone just banging on about how slow play kills mafia? Who was that again?

Points:

1) You did not act like a bomb. You have done a lot of questioning, commenting, scumhunting ... but only after you actually reveal you are a bomb. That does not match your claimed role.
2) You do not claim bomb day one when the train is forming. You instead wait until day 2, and after several other power roles claim, and after things are looking sure to have FOE lynch. You do explain that part of this could be from the part1/2 separation that shouldn't be there, but even that only covers part of it.
3) First reaction to a cop is to doubt him. While it is good to keep in mind, your first reaction being to doubt him makes me think you were worried and trying to throw doubt on the results.

My bet is that you and FOE realized that he was going down, and that you could get townie points from a counter-claim.

Vote: zemaj

 

[Gwaihir]

okay, I've had a few thoughts &, especially since we lost our cop overnight, I think its time for a mass-claim. Indeed, I think it may be a bit late, & really should have been done yesterday. In any event, it seems (iirc) that all the town roles have been the kids from the stories, & since the one scum we have flipped as an adult, it would probably be helpful to go ahead & do a mass-claim while there are still enough players that are familiar with the books that we can be sure they aren't all scum.

I almost agreed with this. until I caught up with the other posts.

I'm Bonzo Madrid. I'm NOT mafia. I'm a lyncher though it wasn't named as such (I assume for lore reasons). I won't say my target just yet.

I'm willing to make a deal with either town or mafia. I can take out someone during the day and I'm willing to use that ability on a target of your choice in return for living long enough to have a chance at my win con.

By lyncher, you mean you need to see someone dead before you win? You are Bonzo Madrid, which to me screams that you need to kill Ender. I don't see that being neutral, I see that being anti-town. So probably a lie anyways, just trying to save your rear end.

okay, brass-tacks time... if we do the mass-claim & let you get your lynch, think you could play nice & kill our scum, Gory?

To the town: the above may seem a bit reaching, but if we can get a vig working for us, that is one hell of a leg-up on the scum. Not to mention that if we don't play Gory's game, then we have to lynch him today, or are boned.

This seems too suspicious for me. Gory comes up with what I think is a farfetched neutral story and you jump on it. I also recall you defending him a lot yesterday. I think we found ourselves a pair of mafia here.

Vote: gory shoots zemaj.

 

[Jason Maher]

If that's true, then I'd say he's worth getting rid of. If it's not, then he's probably scum, and thus worth getting rid of. I'm leaning very much toward lynching Goryani, even if it does prove a distraction form lynching scum. If he keeps killing townies, he's doing the scums job for them.

And in case Goryani decides to off me in response ot this post, I overheard another chat from what I believe was the Mason group (there must be more than two, or Pyro has the ability to recruit another vanilla townie each night or some such, or he was chatting to the host). The protection that removes a power comes from the fact one of them is a Jailer (Pyro, no doubt). Dunno why I didn't pick up on this yesterday, but there it is. I'm an idiot.

From here on I'm assuming I was listening to Pyro again, and he is the Jailer (correct if I'm wrong (again) my good man).

Last night the discussion was twofold: who should be jailed, and Pyro's guess at the alignment of the remaining players. Pyro said jailing one of the revealed power roles would be a bad idea, because if they guessed the wrong one, the Mafia score a kill and a blocked power role. The other option is trying to jail a scum, which could identify one of them (if the designated killer is chosen), but could also lock up a townie if Pyro guesses wrong. The only interesting bit in the role list is an identification of someone as likely scum for jumping off the FoE lynch train, and for claiming Vanilla Townie early on. I'll have to re-read to put a name here.

 

[Gwaihir]

I see one of 2 things:

1) Mafia is stalling for a day to gain a claim. They currently have 3 kills unnamed - CG, BA, Bipolar. Bets on 5-6 anti-town. FOE is gone and zemaj probably used one. Gory claims Bonzo (anti-town name if I ever saw one). Leaves 2 claims for 2-3 mafia. Could also explain the random Bipolar kill. This seems more likely to me.
2) Gory still has a shot left. Might only work on certain people, or he is trying to find the best possible person before day ends using a mass claim, and we should not. Seems much less likely. Scum with not just one but multiple day kills? That seems brokenly good.

 

[Laarz]

If that's true, then I'd say he's worth getting rid of. If it's not, then he's probably scum, and thus worth getting rid of. I'm leaning very much toward lynching Goryani, even if it does prove a distraction form lynching scum. If he keeps killing townies, he's doing the scums job for them.

And in case Goryani decides to off me in response ot this post, I overheard another chat from what I believe was the Mason group (there must be more than two, or Pyro has the ability to recruit another vanilla townie each night or some such, or he was chatting to the host). The protection that removes a power comes from the fact one of them is a Jailer (Pyro, no doubt). Dunno why I didn't pick up on this yesterday, but there it is. I'm an idiot.

From here on I'm assuming I was listening to Pyro again, and he is the Jailer (correct if I'm wrong (again) my good man).

Last night the discussion was twofold: who should be jailed, and Pyro's guess at the alignment of the remaining players. Pyro said jailing one of the revealed power roles would be a bad idea, because if they guessed the wrong one, the Mafia score a kill and a blocked power role. The other option is trying to jail a scum, which could identify one of them (if the designated killer is chosen), but could also lock up a townie if Pyro guesses wrong. The only interesting bit in the role list is an identification of someone as likely scum for jumping off the FoE lynch train, and for claiming Vanilla Townie early on. I'll have to re-read to put a name here.

I think the person is Val, he claimed Shen VT

 

[Laarz]

I see one of 2 things:

1) Mafia is stalling for a day to gain a claim. They currently have 3 kills unnamed - CG, BA, Bipolar. Bets on 5-6 anti-town. FOE is gone and zemaj probably used one. Gory claims Bonzo (anti-town name if I ever saw one). Leaves 2 claims for 2-3 mafia. Could also explain the random Bipolar kill. This seems more likely to me.
2) Gory still has a shot left. Might only work on certain people, or he is trying to find the best possible person before day ends using a mass claim, and we should not. Seems much less likely. Scum with not just one but multiple day kills? That seems brokenly good.

Gwaihir, you think Goryani just has limited shots then, not what he claimed?

 

[Laarz]

I suppose I can't delay any longer. At least two sides are out to get me now.

I'm Bonzo Madrid. I'm NOT mafia. I'm a lyncher though it wasn't named as such (I assume for lore reasons). I won't say my target just yet.

I'm willing to make a deal with either town or mafia. I can take out someone during the day and I'm willing to use that ability on a target of your choice in return for living long enough to have a chance at my win con.

So Goryani, you didn't kill Sathoris because you thought he was scummy, you did it because you thought he was your target?

 

[Goryani]

okay, brass-tacks time... if we do the mass-claim & let you get your lynch, think you could play nice & kill our scum, Gory?

Absolutely!

By lyncher, you mean you need to see someone dead before you win?

Yes.

just trying to save your rear end.

Yes. If I get lynched before winning I lose. No team to root for.

So Goryani, you didn't kill Sathoris because you thought he was scummy, you did it because you thought he was your target?

Both. I thought there was a good chance he was my target. I figured if he wasn't he had to be scum so I'd have some solid town cred.