Ender's Mafia Game
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FredOfErik
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OK, not an easy situation to be thrown into.
FYI, here's what I know about Ender's Game:
tl;dr: military mind-rapes a young boy into a callous space tactician who unwittingly commits xenocide.
I've been following the game on and off for the last couple of days, while mainly being drunk. I've read up on the last couple of pages, but going through everything thoroughly cannot be done before next day-phase (and I'm not to optimistic about being alive at that point).
Role claim: I am Theresa Wiggin, Ender's mother. Mason.
My partner was BA who was John Paul Wiggin, Ender's father.
We both had/have powers - we were both Bombs. His bomb would only go off, if he was targetted for a night kill (and only kill the killer), while mine will only go off in case of a lynch, in which case the locking voter, not the last voter, will die.
I have little to no proof of this, except that I obviously suspect that it is the reason for the two NKs last night.
As to Jason's claim. I'm relatively certain, that he is not a sheriff and I have no clue why anybody would say so because of what he posted, unless they are deliberately trying to cause confusion. If he was a sheriff he would've just said that he had gotten a guilty result. I debated for a while whether or not I should share my theory of his actual role, but came to the conclusion that it is obvious enough that at least one player on the scum team will have caught it.
I am convinced Jason is some sort of eavesdropper - that is he gets to see a random (or targets a player) post of nighttalk each night. His reasons for outing me was because he had heard someone (that he claims is scum) talk about someone who read the thread while on the bus, expressing regretting voting for korial because of the whole "framing" discussion.
I (or rather Moar) did post such a thing last night, and I see why it could be misleading. I'm not allowed to post quotes from the night talk QT (which I sadly didn't even get to participate in), but the point of it was, seemingly, that she did like the framing discussion as, taken from another post, it promoted discussion and had given her reasons to suspect several people. Hence, she helped lock a townie that had caused what she (and partly BA) thought to be the absolutely most important discussion going on.
For completeness sake, their two main suspects were SI and Sath. Other than this, much meaningfull discussion didn't happen. Moar suggested outing BA as a power role to get him targeted for an NK but BA disagreed.
I'm not by any means positive about surviving, but I have now shared what I know. I will get back to reading and answer any questions you might have.
FYI, here's what I know about Ender's Game:
tl;dr: military mind-rapes a young boy into a callous space tactician who unwittingly commits xenocide.
I've been following the game on and off for the last couple of days, while mainly being drunk. I've read up on the last couple of pages, but going through everything thoroughly cannot be done before next day-phase (and I'm not to optimistic about being alive at that point).
Role claim: I am Theresa Wiggin, Ender's mother. Mason.
My partner was BA who was John Paul Wiggin, Ender's father.
We both had/have powers - we were both Bombs. His bomb would only go off, if he was targetted for a night kill (and only kill the killer), while mine will only go off in case of a lynch, in which case the locking voter, not the last voter, will die.
I have little to no proof of this, except that I obviously suspect that it is the reason for the two NKs last night.
As to Jason's claim. I'm relatively certain, that he is not a sheriff and I have no clue why anybody would say so because of what he posted, unless they are deliberately trying to cause confusion. If he was a sheriff he would've just said that he had gotten a guilty result. I debated for a while whether or not I should share my theory of his actual role, but came to the conclusion that it is obvious enough that at least one player on the scum team will have caught it.
I am convinced Jason is some sort of eavesdropper - that is he gets to see a random (or targets a player) post of nighttalk each night. His reasons for outing me was because he had heard someone (that he claims is scum) talk about someone who read the thread while on the bus, expressing regretting voting for korial because of the whole "framing" discussion.
I (or rather Moar) did post such a thing last night, and I see why it could be misleading. I'm not allowed to post quotes from the night talk QT (which I sadly didn't even get to participate in), but the point of it was, seemingly, that she did like the framing discussion as, taken from another post, it promoted discussion and had given her reasons to suspect several people. Hence, she helped lock a townie that had caused what she (and partly BA) thought to be the absolutely most important discussion going on.
For completeness sake, their two main suspects were SI and Sath. Other than this, much meaningfull discussion didn't happen. Moar suggested outing BA as a power role to get him targeted for an NK but BA disagreed.
I'm not by any means positive about surviving, but I have now shared what I know. I will get back to reading and answer any questions you might have.
Well that's a fairly well done post. It's either true or the mafia have daytalk powers and have been working overtime all day to put something so crazy together that fits everything that has happened to such a degree that we believe it.
It also has a bit of a threat to it. Whomever locks the lynch could get taken out.
So if the post is true ... then SI was the mafioso who put in the hit on Bad Ash and got taken out with the target. And whomever locks FoE will go down as well. FoE seems confused as to why I would assume that a statement of "rock solid proof" that someone was mafia would come from the sheriff/investigator role ... not sure what to make of that.
Feels a bit like the prisoner's dilemma when it comes to FoE now.
It also has a bit of a threat to it. Whomever locks the lynch could get taken out.
So if the post is true ... then SI was the mafioso who put in the hit on Bad Ash and got taken out with the target. And whomever locks FoE will go down as well. FoE seems confused as to why I would assume that a statement of "rock solid proof" that someone was mafia would come from the sheriff/investigator role ... not sure what to make of that.
Feels a bit like the prisoner's dilemma when it comes to FoE now.
FredOfErik
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Take a look at his claim again.
Even supposing that post full of amazing co-incidental and almost too much to believe is true, you aren't the locking vote ... and with that threat hanging out there, I don't think there's a lot of need to un-vote. You pinged my scum radar earlier when you tried to misrepresent me and now you far too quickly used a very convincing (but stretching the bounds of believability) post to do an un-vote which, if the post were true, you have no need to do.
I think it's far more likely that scum jumped on the lynch wagon because Moar/FoE is scum and Jason's claim was either their plan (which I mucked up all day) or Jason is legitimately a town power role and they didn't want to be caught off the wagon later on ... and now they've worked up a story that could potentially put two of them on the "We really need to be very sure to lynch this person" category (Jason and now FoE).
I think Jason's claim is even more necessary than before.
A couple of red flags from FoE's post: the story seems to be set at battle school and Ender's parents really wouldn't have any contact or influence. If I were running the game and I wanted a 2 person mason team made up of adults, it would have been Graff and Anderson. I think the fact that using Ender's parents as roles is unlikely may be why they were used, as there would be a pretty miniscule chance of someone actually having those character roles.
This is reinforced by FoE going out of the way to mention how very little he knows about the book's plot.
WIFOM indeed?
For some reason the last post won't quote, but Jason did reply to me (and I missed it somehow ... probably when one page rolled into another on a re-load) and what Jason said matches very closely to what FoE is claiming. I understand now why FoE expresses confusion at my posts and thinks I'm trying to muddy the water (when really I'm looking for clarity).
I'm still left feeling like FoE's story is just a bit too "neat" with that nicely packaged threat there. A 2 person mason team who are both retaliatory and will take out the person who is responsible for their death? That strikes me as awfully anti-town setup for what is normally a pro-town sub-group. Consider that someone has a roughly 50/50 chance of dying by night kill or lynch if they're going to die, and that scum generally avoid being the locking vote and what you have is a pro-town 2 person mason team rigged against the town mechanically.
No matter how it turns out though, FoE, I'm in awe of that post. No matter whether it's true or not, that you put that together as a replacement so quickly. You should consider writing as a career.
FredOfErik
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Drixx: while my knowledge is limited, I mainly posted the quote because I found it hilarious while googling. Google+the game has given me a pretty good understanding of the plot, but I'm still very fuzzy about most chars.
Drixx's "You pinged my scum radar earlier when you tried to misrepresent me":
When did I try to misrepresent you? I haven't quoted you at all this game (before this post). Are you confusing me with someone else? By the way, since you seem to be more sensitive to the quoting mechanisms, I'm informing you that I'm editing the next quotes for the sake of brevity.
Drixx's "The story is set at battle school; Ender's parents wouldn't have any contact or influence":
And this, Goryani, is why I was asking about the implications of lore in the game. Knowing the plot and background of the characters goes a long way in finding out anti-town and analyzing would-be fake claims.
Drixx's "The fact that using Ender's parents as roles is unlikely may be why they were used":
That's one hell of a point, and I absolutely agree. Every single time I've played mafia or when I played SK, I tried going for the least unlikely role in games sourced in works of fiction, so it makes a lot of sense. I unvoted because I believe Solar was mafia due to the way he pushed for Korial's lynch. Now, I have two general questions (for whoever):
[Highlight]?[/Highlight] If Bad Ash, a town mason, took Solar (alleged mafia) with him... Wouldn't the town and/or his mason partner know Solar's role or alignment? If I were Fred (either as town or not), I would had either revealed the information, informed that I didn't receive any at all or made one up.
[Highlight]?[/Highlight] If Solar was a bomb and took a mafia Bad Ash with him, which means that Fred is lying... Wouldn't still be better to lynch Fred to find out if Jason is lying? The way I see it, Fred is the way to go...
Vote: FredofErik
When did I try to misrepresent you? I haven't quoted you at all this game (before this post). Are you confusing me with someone else? By the way, since you seem to be more sensitive to the quoting mechanisms, I'm informing you that I'm editing the next quotes for the sake of brevity.
Drixx's "The story is set at battle school; Ender's parents wouldn't have any contact or influence":
And this, Goryani, is why I was asking about the implications of lore in the game. Knowing the plot and background of the characters goes a long way in finding out anti-town and analyzing would-be fake claims.
Drixx's "The fact that using Ender's parents as roles is unlikely may be why they were used":
That's one hell of a point, and I absolutely agree. Every single time I've played mafia or when I played SK, I tried going for the least unlikely role in games sourced in works of fiction, so it makes a lot of sense. I unvoted because I believe Solar was mafia due to the way he pushed for Korial's lynch. Now, I have two general questions (for whoever):
[Highlight]?[/Highlight] If Bad Ash, a town mason, took Solar (alleged mafia) with him... Wouldn't the town and/or his mason partner know Solar's role or alignment? If I were Fred (either as town or not), I would had either revealed the information, informed that I didn't receive any at all or made one up.
[Highlight]?[/Highlight] If Solar was a bomb and took a mafia Bad Ash with him, which means that Fred is lying... Wouldn't still be better to lynch Fred to find out if Jason is lying? The way I see it, Fred is the way to go...
Vote: FredofErik
Good questions and you've arrived basically back where I was confused you'd left with your previous unvote. There's no reason at this point to unvote. If everything FoE put in that post is true, it's still worth lynching to put Jason to the test, as it were. Also since the other piece of the mason team is gone, the advantage of the mason power is greatly diminished already.
No matter how this ends up going, I feel way out of my depth with the level of mechanics and play on display here.
I'm off to bed, but I have two more question to those familiar with the lore: What are the odds that the kid's parents would be bombs role-wise? Is anything on the books to support that? (Like, maybe they were grenadiers or something), and, is there any character that may fit with the role of bomb, like a character that suicides or has access to explosives?
FredOfErik
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In our QT it is stated that BA was killed and I (moar) is now alone. Nothing further.
FredOfErik
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bolded part: wut? and confuse town further?
I didn't share any info, as I hadn't gotten any and didn't think of that being particularly strange. I've never had a bomb role before and can't remember any similiar situations, so I do not know whether or not being given info on killer is custom or not.
Anyways, I'm off to bed, cya in the morning.
I wish Jason had answered my question before this came out, but I concur with this. Jason COULD NOT be a cop because of the equivocation between Zokar and Moar. The "slam dunk" stuff Jason obtained are not consistent with a cop investigation but are consistent with an eavesdropper.
The rest of your claim.... that'll take some thinking about.
What I know is one of the scum skimmed the thread on a bus ride, then logged in and quickly voted ~15 minutes before the end of the day. This person expresses regret over the vote, and considers it would have been more beneficial to keep the person voted for alive to be framed.
This post was made at 7:48am my time, 12 minutes before the cutoff. The only other candidate post/vote was Zokar's, at 7:45. The highlighted sentence is the key bit that makes me certain. A slam dunk from where I'm sitting.
As for why I've taken the straight-up approach, it's because the info was so good, I decided it was absolutely worth taking a slam dunk when one was in the offing, rather than laying low on the off chance of getting another. I also tend to be a bit of a gung-ho player.
What I, and I assume others want to know Jason is do you listen only to the scum night talk or just night talk, which could be someone other than scum.
