Ender's Mafia Game

[Drixx]

nope, just stating my own personal opinions, feel this game is more chaotic than most

It has been a bit of an odd one thus far, I'll agree, but I think it's a fairly well established fact that the town should lynch.

 

[Phillinnicus]

If you consider those posts to be slips that make him look scummy, why is your first reaction to dismiss those words entirely instead of trying to determine whether they are the postings of a Mafioso or a new Townie player?

It's because I believe they were a noobie error, considering Kitteh's newness to the game. Saying they're slips gives the impression that they were accidental, and in a sense they are, but, what I'm trying to say (and not getting across very well) is that what Kitteh posted was intentional (i.e., that's what Kitteh wanted to say) but Kitteh didn't have the experience to know that they may make him look scummy even if he's town. I don't think that they'd point us towards either Kitteh being mafia or town, they're not slips in the sense of it coming from an experienced player. That's the difference I see.

Hopefully I cleared that up, it seems so simple in my mind but I'm having issues conveying it.

 

[Solar Ice]

It has been a bit of an odd one thus far, I'll agree, but I think it's a fairly well established fact that the town should lynch.

You say that, yet your vote is missing. Why?

 

[Drixx]

You say that, yet your vote is missing. Why?

Because I keep foolishly hoping the discussion will pick back up and we might have a better reason to lynch someone than he happened to post first anticipating suspicion. If it comes down to it, I'll put my vote with the majority because at the very least we'll get some info, but I remain sincerely unconvinced that our current wagon has sound reasons.

 

[Phillinnicus]

I have to vote now because I know I won't be able to get on until after 7:00, but from all the choices so far there's been a large case made again korial and I don't see anyone else who may be suspicious except Drixx. I'm not 100% sure on korial but it's the only option for me at the moment.

Vote: korialstraz

 

[Drixx]

I have to vote now because I know I won't be able to get on until after 7:00, but from all the choices so far there's been a large case made again korial and I don't see anyone else who may be suspicious except Drixx. I'm not 100% sure on korial but it's the only option for me at the moment.

Vote: korialstraz

You seem pretty light on your own thoughts today (just reviewed your post history), but fairly happy to interpret other people's thoughts. You say there is a "large case" made against Korialstraz. What large case is that?

You say the only other suspicious person is me, but you give no reason for that either.


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On a different but related note, is there a vote count somewhere that I missed?

 

[Gwaihir]

Can someone translate the time the day/night changes will happen to East Coast US time for me?

Unless you think that Korialstraz is HIPS/LAMIAT, it seems most likely that he and I are both townies. It would seem like very poor play to me on his part if he's mafia.

I'm not sure that it was necessarily an attempted frame up. CG's posts provided the mafia with a good target to hit that would likely direct the investigation towards Korialstraz and myself. I'm really not sure why Korialstraz made the post he did ... it doesn't seem to have much of any upside if he's scum and unless he's a special role that wins by being lynched, I can't imagine why he would want to paint a target on himself. If he had brought it up and pointed out just me, you could maybe make a case for bussing.

I think phar is based off East Coast time, so day end is at the listed time of 5pm.

Anyways, to me it seems like korial tried to be very sure that everyone knew that there was nothing behind CG's vote and death. Which could definitely stem from a guilty conscience.

I thought that was the same thing I said.

You thought the whole framing thing through and came out with that right away. I would not really have thought of that until someone else tried to use it against you. That is the difference I see.

Vote: korialstraz

I have to vote now because I know I won't be able to get on until after 7:00, but from all the choices so far there's been a large case made again korial and I don't see anyone else who may be suspicious except Drixx. I'm not 100% sure on korial but it's the only option for me at the moment.

Vote: korialstraz

Interesting. I don't think you mentioned that you are suspicious of Drixx before, what is your reasoning on that?

 

[Gwaihir]

On a different but related note, is there a vote count somewhere that I missed?

No. I have the following unofficial count:

21 alive: 11 to lynch, 12 to lock
korial(5): SI, Kitteh, Gory, Phil, Gwaihir
SI(1): Sath
Jason(1): Zokar

 

[Gwaihir]

Also, ~2 hours until day end.

 

[Pyrotechnician1]

Imagine basic training for kids in middle school. They have teams broke into squads all led by the kids, that train and have mock battles with stun guns. Not Lord of the Flies crazy, but I would not say hair and face may not always be off limits here.

I was refering to the movie Anchorman, but yeah, sounds crazy.

I had thought it was obvious, but I'm a big fan of sarcasme... oh well, at least pyro gets me :thumbup:

Yes! Finally I get someone!

Can someone translate the time the day/night changes will happen to East Coast US time for me?

Day ends at 5pm for me (GMT -5) so I assume its the same for you.

Basically forum mafia comes down to WIFOM (for the new folks this is basically infinite regression of reverse psychology). When I saw that CG was killed, my first thought was that the mafia had chosen well. CG tends to be very analytical and the posts concerning Korialstraz and in response to my inquiry about the twilight voting basically guaranteed that the discussion today was going to center around Korialstraz, myself, and whether the mafia was trying to HIPS or pull a frame job.

Assuming a fairly vanilla game (which may be a bad assumption if the last game I played here is any indication), there are four potential scenarios for Korialstraz and myself, in terms of our roles:

Mafia:Mafia
Mafia:Townie
Townie:Mafia
Townie:Townie

I think the fact that Korialstraz so quickly brought attention onto me and him probably makes the first one the least likely. It seems like a very risky day 1 play to me. Korialstraz also hasn't seemed to try to direct the attention my way, which I think makes a BUSSING play also unlikely.

Unless you think that Korialstraz is HIPS/LAMIAT, it seems most likely that he and I are both townies. It would seem like very poor play to me on his part if he's mafia.

Hm, WIFOM indeed. Korial doesn't seem to me to be one to take a gamble like the one that is currently happening, mainly because just from previous history he is not very good at staying hidden as mafia. However, if others were to tell him thats the path that he should take (i.e. other mafia), then I can see it being a possibility of him trying to bring it up before someone else has a chance too, then if worst comes to worst, the gamble fails, and he takes you down with him.

I do however love your statement "it seems most likely that he and I are both townies". That has to be one of biggest LAMIST statements I have seen.

nope, just stating my own personal opinions, feel this game is more chaotic than most

BA stating that a game is chaotic, this has to be irony at its best.

Argh, freaking 3 hour lab right thru the best time of this game.

Are you going to post something more than a random one liner every few hours?

 

[Bad Ash]

It has been a bit of an odd one thus far, I'll agree, but I think it's a fairly well established fact that the town should lynch.

It is?!?!?!?! Woah. Good to know. Also my post contradicts this quote in no way so I would happily vote for you if we had any chance of lynching you today .

and this is chaotic in the posts not the structure. SHEESH

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[Solar Ice]

post 140:

That's the thing with slips, they can make you look unintentionally mafia. I think what Kitteh has said so far was meant to have good intentions (i.e., how a townie would would say it) but it turned out to look kind of scummy. That's just what I believe because of the situation, it's equally as likely that they were mafia slips though.

It's because I believe they were a noobie error, considering Kitteh's newness to the game. Saying they're slips gives the impression that they were accidental, and in a sense they are, but, what I'm trying to say (and not getting across very well) is that what Kitteh posted was intentional (i.e., that's what Kitteh wanted to say) but Kitteh didn't have the experience to know that they may make him look scummy even if he's town. I don't think that they'd point us towards either Kitteh being mafia or town, they're not slips in the sense of it coming from an experienced player. That's the difference I see.

Hopefully I cleared that up, it seems so simple in my mind but I'm having issues conveying it.

You said that it is equally likely that they were Mafia slips in post 140. But if it is equally likely to you that they are Mafia slips, why have you been so defiant that he is a Townie? It looks to me like you are playing both sides here and covering yourself in case Kitteh gets lynched.

Something about this just does not sit well with me.

 

[Drixx]

No. I have the following unofficial count:

21 alive: 11 to lynch, 12 to lock
korial(5): SI, Kitteh, Gory, Phil, Gwaihir
SI(1): Sath
Jason(1): Zokar

I appreciate the count. We're still well short of a lynch with time rapidly going away. My scum detector is pinging a bit with those off-votes. Zokar's post gave me more of a VI or mafia-pretending-to-be-VI vibe.

In any case, we need to force the issue. Failing to lynch on day 1 is a pretty bad outcome and if we sit here 6 votes away from a lynch, the mafia are surely able to hide among the many non-votees. Time to make up your minds folks.

Vote: Korialstraz - I hope that this really is a case of bad misplay on Korialstraz's part and not a railroad job

 

[pharphis]

Coming in to confirm Gwaihir's vote count in post 171.

hopefully we didn't both screw up counting

Yes, 2 hours remain.

Might stop in and say the day has ended, but may be slow on results.

 

[Drixx]

I just don't even have any direction to go in based on what I've read. Seems like a lot of scrambling and any vote I throw is more than likely going to be insanely random and I am not diggin that

This is the post I was referring to when I commented about lynching on day 1. I'm not any happier than you are about the case being put forth against Korialstraz, but I suppose it is possible he is mafia and bungled his play. If he flips townie as I fear, then at least we'll have a couple ways to go from there.

 

[Valhauros]

I wish I had more to post about, but to me this Korialstrasz thing seems way to complicated to be a "mistrial" or whatever you might want to call it. The way I see it, this is either a slip followed by severe defense or a complete ruse manipulated by the mafia... and while that probably sounds obvious, my point is that if he turns out to be a town member, then there are very specific players to point fingers at.

Unvote: Moar [Highlight]?[/Highlight] Vote: Korialstrasz

Kitteh's "Voting for whoever is voted for the most, until I learn how to work it out from people's posts":
Just do what I do, and vote for Moar! Moar votes for Moar! Nah, just kidding... for the time being...

 

[coju]

No votes would count so the formatting didn't matter.





Where did I say he is more aggressive than usual?

Are you korialstraz?
post 114:

Because from previous experience, someone very often points out the possibility of framing. I figured I'd get it out early so it could be discussed.



If I was scum I could risk it yes. Or I can do what seems to be common around here, wait for someone to point out the conversation between Drixx and CG and how he's now dead, and then play the frame card. I considered it, but I went ahead and posted what I'm sure others were thinking. It's started a discussion, which imo is good.



If I had waited for someone else to point out the connection, and played the "I'm being framed!" card then, would it make a difference? If so why, because even after this post I can't see it.



1st question: Because from my experience such things are noticed and brought up at some point. As I said earlier, I wanted to just get the focus out there, and the discussion rolling.

2nd question: Because it felt natural, due to CG's post about how he thought both me and Drixx looked suspicious. What would your reaction be to my post if I didn't mention Drixx?

Moar has already quoted CG's post where he talked about me and Drixx, but I'll quote it again below for convenience.





Well yea there were essentially town, but that doesn't change the facts, even though I was on his side. Had I been in any of the houses, I would still press for his lynch due to the claim not holding up, based on information I knew form the lore. So the point still stands, knowing the lore can be beneficial to the game, for better or worse.



It is a bit odd to see SI being more aggressive so early, since he's usually a bit more passive in his playstyle so early (from my experience). But for now though I'll welcome it, if only to keep the discussion rolling, and for people to make up their mind on the situation.

 

[coju]

At quick glance, your closest post is 120. You have two accounts?

 

[Valhauros]

Sometimes I get the impression Coju might be permanently drunk.

 

[coju]

bugger

Vote: Korialstraz
for information
makes 8.

If you indeed got setup korial, who do we need to look at?