Ok, wow. This got nuts.
I have to drop out of this game. I haven't read the thread and I am too drained emotionally to do it. I can't deal with a mind game with what's going on in RL. Really sorry everybody.
Figure out real life, rest, relax, and hope you can make it back for the next game. And exactly what Zokar so eliquently said:
I'd like to be super clear. [highlight]I've never suggested that we should not lynch Moar today[/highlight]
@Gwaihir - Did you intentionally ignore my post where I explained why I put a vote on Jason to see how he would respond? His response was to read the thread but refuse to post or answer my posts. The vote served its purpose, and anyone who actually read my posts would know that I wasn't suggesting we lynch Jason today instead of Moar.
I read it. I just found it suspicious that your first response to a claim from a power role is to doubt and vote the power role.
Role claim: I am Theresa Wiggin, Ender's mother. Mason.
My partner was BA who was John Paul Wiggin, Ender's father.
We both had/have powers - we were both Bombs. His bomb would only go off, if he was targetted for a night kill (and only kill the killer), while mine will only go off in case of a lynch, in which case the locking voter, not the last voter, will die.
I have little to no proof of this, except that I obviously suspect that it is the reason for the two NKs last night.
As to Jason's claim. I'm relatively certain, that he is not a sheriff and I have no clue why anybody would say so because of what he posted, unless they are deliberately trying to cause confusion. If he was a sheriff he would've just said that he had gotten a guilty result. I debated for a while whether or not I should share my theory of his actual role, but came to the conclusion that it is obvious enough that at least one player on the scum team will have caught it.
I am convinced Jason is some sort of eavesdropper - that is he gets to see a random (or targets a player) post of nighttalk each night. His reasons for outing me was because he had heard someone (that he claims is scum) talk about someone who read the thread while on the bus, expressing regretting voting for korial because of the whole "framing" discussion.
I (or rather Moar) did post such a thing last night, and I see why it could be misleading. I'm not allowed to post quotes from the night talk QT (which I sadly didn't even get to participate in), but the point of it was, seemingly, that she did like the framing discussion as, taken from another post, it promoted discussion and had given her reasons to suspect several people. Hence, she helped lock a townie that had caused what she (and partly BA) thought to be the absolutely most important discussion going on.
For completeness sake, their two main suspects were SI and Sath. Other than this, much meaningfull discussion didn't happen. Moar suggested outing BA as a power role to get him targeted for an NK but BA disagreed.
I'm not by any means positive about surviving, but I have now shared what I know. I will get back to reading and answer any questions you might have.
Wow. This would just solve all the questions, wouldn't it. The biggest issue is te role for the parents. While true they have a small role in Enders game, they have a much larger role in the extended series. Masons would not suprise me, but bombs? That is a stretch for me to believe. It is an especially convenient claim with the threat of death on lynch. That said, I would like to hear more from Jason about what exactly was said.
[Highlight]?[/Highlight] If Bad Ash, a town mason, took Solar (alleged mafia) with him... Wouldn't the town and/or his mason partner know Solar's role or alignment? If I were Fred (either as town or not), I would had either revealed the information, informed that I didn't receive any at all or made one up.
[Highlight]?[/Highlight] If Solar was a bomb and took a mafia Bad Ash with him, which means that Fred is lying... Wouldn't still be better to lynch Fred to find out if Jason is lying? The way I see it, Fred is the way to go...
Vote: FredofErik
1) Gory later points this out, but the norm is an active killer gets names, passive killers do not. So vigs/SK/hitmen tend to get flips, bombs/bodyguard/PGO do not.
you're saying that the bomb ability is not compatible with the two characters.
I'm saying they don't need to be.
You seem to not be of that mindset.
Why do you assume they have to be compatible?
You seem too lore bound in your thinking.
It doesn't need to be, but in every game I have played here on the forums, the mods normally try to match roles to characters that make sense with them. They don't have to, but that is usually a good guide to go by in the game.
Well, that escalated quickly. FoE has certainly read exactly what I received. Which means he is either a Mason as claimed, Scum, or a Cult member. He's right about my role. I am an Eavesdropper (or Listener, as the host has termed it), Town aligned, named Julian "Bean" Delphki (whoever the heck that is). What I get each night is a randomly selected snippet of conversation, with names removed. First night I received what was obviously a snippet of Mafia chat that said something along the lines of "oh stuff it, let's kill *name removed*." Which is pretty useless (aside from making me think CG was killed for meta-game reasons). Second night, well, you already know the second bit, while FoE has hinted at the first bit, which I had held back on revealing prior to this.
I definitely realise now that I didn't consider the Mason and Cult possibilities enough before jumping to the Mafia conclusion. Re-re-re-re-re-re-reading the information again, Moar thinks it would been very beneficial to keep korial alive to continue the discussion he started (all the stuff about him and Drixx being possibly framed), and regrets her vote for him on that basis.
The first part of what I received discusses the possibility of saving (from a lynch presumably) whoever Moar was talking to (BA, if FoE can be believed). There is an expression of doubt that any such attempt will meet with much success, due to pseudo-BA and another nameless person being the only people looking in any way suspicious. She then mentions a third party will be going after a fourth party, but that they (it's ambiguous whether person 3 or person 4 is meant here) won't be scummy enough to attempt to shift the heat to them from pseudo-BA.
Unvote: FoE
I need to rethink things a bit.
Are you allowed to post exactly the quotes you received here? Or make it clear exactly what was given to you?
Also, aren't mason's sometimes 'shown' as the opposite faction? If so, this would make moarik town.
What do you mean by this? How would masons (pro town power roles) show as anti-town?
The fact that FOE was able to so quickly judge what happened makes it hard to believe that it is a lie. If Moar was mafia, FOE would have had to join, figure out exactly what Jason was, figure out background event to explain a claim, and then find a safe name claim. It seems to me there would have been a bigger hole in the claim in that fast of work. Either they are both mafia and already had the setup planned, or they are town and telling the truth. Although Jason, more details on what you got would be great.
I think Val is a better option, I really don't like him hopping off the train at the first chance possible and then hopping back on when noone else moved quickly.
Unvote: FredofErik
Vote: Valharous
