Ender's Mafia Game

[Goryani]

Val likely scum.

I suppose that's the best answer I'm going to get.

I wish I had more to post about, but to me this Korialstrasz thing seems way to complicated to be a "mistrial" or whatever you might want to call it. The way I see it, this is either a slip followed by severe defense or a complete ruse manipulated by the mafia... and while that probably sounds obvious, my point is that if he turns out to be a town member, then there are very specific players to point fingers at.

That's the most interesting vote/post I saw because of the bolded part.

Unvote: Laarz
Vote: Valhauros

I'm still thinking about Moar/FoE. Some of the votes have that "ohhhh, a cop got a guilty verdict on someone else, hop on the train while calling the cop suspicious so he gets it next day" feeling. Because of that, gut feeling says Moar/FoE is innocent but I'll take another read through.

 

[Phillinnicus]

FoE's post didn't convince me at all, it reeks of convenience.
Ender's parents' roles in the book are very, very minimal. I don't see why pharph would include them in the game at all, I wouldn't even classify them as main characters, they're more supporting characters.
And them both being bombs is a little far-fetched, don't you think? I wouldn't even associate that role with them if they were included in the game. Maybe vanilla townies, that's it. Again, they're not very important.

As for Jason still not claiming his role and giving all the information he has, that doesn't sit right with me. I see no reason for him to withhold information at this point.

 

[pharphis]

FoE is at 10 votes , which iirc is a lock. Feel free to recheck my counting.

 

[Zokar1]

:whistling: what is all this nonsense about not putting in minor characters in this game.... :crazyeyes:

 

[Phillinnicus]

I don't know what you mean.

I acknowledge the possibility but it seems very minimal. The idea of them both being bombs and BA conveniently being dead just makes it even less likely.

 

[Zokar1]

I don't know what you mean.

I acknowledge the possibility but it seems very minimal. The idea of them both being bombs and BA conveniently being dead just makes it even less likely.

:crazyeyes: what do their abilities have to do with their name? :crazyeyes: bad logic is bad, assumptions are broken!!!

 

[Phillinnicus]

No where did I explicitly state that their abilities had to do with their name, it has to do with their character, and bomb isn't really compatible with either from my knowledge of the book.

 

[Zokar1]

No where did I explicitly state that their abilities had to do with their name, it has to do with their character, and bomb isn't really compatible with either from my knowledge of the book.

I wouldn't even associate that role with them if they were included in the game. Maybe vanilla townies, that's it. Again, they're not very important.

:soapbox:
you're saying that the bomb ability is not compatible with the two characters.
I'm saying they don't need to be.
You seem to not be of that mindset.
Why do you assume they have to be compatible?

What would you say about about a commander that had no powers?
Or Dumper being a mafia hitman and not on Ender's team?

Would that be broken?
Why?

I am pretty ornery lately.
Still, looking at that theory, everybody rattles ya...

You seem too lore bound in your thinking.
:soapbox:

 

[Phillinnicus]

It just makes sense to build a game that way. To have characters from the story coupled with roles that suit them well. I don't see why characters should be given roles not fit for them at all, but I can see how exceptions may have to be made in themed games where the story doesn't fit the mafia game style very well.

I think Dumper being mafia would make no sense at all, but it wouldn't be "broken". It would just be unintuitive and confusing for the overall game. It has to have flow, or else no one is going to know which characters may be associated with what roles if it's just a free-for-all. Same thing for the commander, but to a lesser extent because not having an ability and being on the exact opposite side (anti-town) of what is expected are quite different.

I don't think I'm too lore bound, I'm just using information from the story to make an educated statement about how I doubt the credibility of FoE's post. I'm trusting that my brother wouldn't make the game completely ridiculous with roles being randomly given to unfitting characters, but there is always the possibility. However, that possibility seems quite unlikely.

 

[Goryani]

[Highlight]?[/Highlight] If Bad Ash, a town mason, took Solar (alleged mafia) with him... Wouldn't the town and/or his mason partner know Solar's role or alignment? If I were Fred (either as town or not), I would had either revealed the information, informed that I didn't receive any at all or made one up.

I can't recall an instance where a bomb/bodyguard/retributive type role received info about the player they killed when they died. Let alone magically passing that info to a mason partner. Would a mason partner of a cop receive investigation results on the night a cop died? I think not.

 

[pharphis]

Some people say I counted wrong.

Please go ahead and say so in thread with your count, as I have to go for now.

Thanks

 

[Jason Maher]

Well, that escalated quickly. FoE has certainly read exactly what I received. Which means he is either a Mason as claimed, Scum, or a Cult member. He's right about my role. I am an Eavesdropper (or Listener, as the host has termed it), Town aligned, named Julian "Bean" Delphki (whoever the heck that is). What I get each night is a randomly selected snippet of conversation, with names removed. First night I received what was obviously a snippet of Mafia chat that said something along the lines of "oh stuff it, let's kill *name removed*." Which is pretty useless (aside from making me think CG was killed for meta-game reasons). Second night, well, you already know the second bit, while FoE has hinted at the first bit, which I had held back on revealing prior to this.

I definitely realise now that I didn't consider the Mason and Cult possibilities enough before jumping to the Mafia conclusion. Re-re-re-re-re-re-reading the information again, Moar thinks it would been very beneficial to keep korial alive to continue the discussion he started (all the stuff about him and Drixx being possibly framed), and regrets her vote for him on that basis.

The first part of what I received discusses the possibility of saving (from a lynch presumably) whoever Moar was talking to (BA, if FoE can be believed). There is an expression of doubt that any such attempt will meet with much success, due to pseudo-BA and another nameless person being the only people looking in any way suspicious. She then mentions a third party will be going after a fourth party, but that they (it's ambiguous whether person 3 or person 4 is meant here) won't be scummy enough to attempt to shift the heat to them from pseudo-BA.

Unvote: FoE

I need to rethink things a bit.

 

[Jason Maher]

Just in case someone picks up on this, I left out the bit about skim-reading the thread on the bus, which was how I identified the speaker as Moar. Not that that matters anymore, now that FoE has confirmed I was right.

 

[Drixx]

FWIW - the claim name does match up with the claimed role.

So if we assume that JM is being truthful, and if we assume that FoE's post is somehow true (talk about an amazing situation to be dumped into as a replacement player), then where do we even begin? Brainhurts.

 

[Jason Maher]

Tell me, does Zokar always post lots of smilies and one liners?

 

[Goryani]

The first part of what I received discusses the possibility of saving (from a lynch presumably) whoever Moar was talking to (BA, if FoE can be believed). There is an expression of doubt that any such attempt will meet with much success, due to pseudo-BA and another nameless person being the only people looking in any way suspicious.

I'm not sure why Moar would talk about saving BA from a lynch. That doesn't fit with D1 events. Was Moar talking TO the person in danger of lynch or ABOUT the person in danger of lynch? Are any names mentioned?

She then mentions a third party will be going after a fourth party, but that they (it's ambiguous whether person 3 or person 4 is meant here) won't be scummy enough to attempt to shift the heat to them from pseudo-BA.

About the third party and fourth party... SI and Sathoris? Someone else? Entities like mafia/scum and not player names? This is probably more for FoE than Jason.

 

[Goryani]

@Jason

Can you tell if Moar/FoE had day talk?

 

[Goryani]

Tell me, does Zokar always post lots of smilies and one liners?

No. This is a first I've seen. That said, the desire to post seems normal. The topics/situations he replies to seems normal. It's just the method of speech that is unusual. Or as he puts it: ornery.

 

[coju]

lollz. Freddie gets locked within 3 hours of playing? nice. Wait, possibly TWO hours, or 4, since those numbers are next to '3' ><!!!!

I need to go back and look at this. Why did you use the word bugger specifically in that quote Zokar pointed out?

For craps and laughs. Because the word 'bugger' was used a few posts above my post or the one i quoted

I think we have to lynch moar today probably. I want Jason to finish role claiming

Isn't it said that only mafiso want full claims?

I've tried to multi-quote three times with only epic failure...The short of it is Moar must be lynched to prove/disprove JasonMaher. Drixx and Noodle are both trying to derail things with fishy reasons at best. Looks like I'll need to move from Goryani to one of you two......or is that three??

There's a couple moar to add to that list, excluding moar.

It's seems very likely to me that Moar is mafia, based on that vote timing and Jason's supposed information.

I do agree with Drixx about Jason providing all the information he has because he'll likely be NK'd now or the next night if there's a doc. Any and all information would be useful.

So many walls of text, ugh.

Val likely scum.

Also, aren't mason's sometimes 'shown' as the opposite faction? If so, this would make moarik town.

Drixx is more of a mafia than anyone else.

(Oh, welcome back drixx! Hope to MP with you again this year sometime!)
Since there is(?) a lock
(?)
Vote: drixx

 

[Drixx]

That might be the flimsiest case I've ever seen Coju. You can do better than that.

And btw, if you didn't make up "only the mafioso want a full claim" then whoever did was a mafioso trying to protect a play, because once town power roles are outed, their role information in the open closes doors to the mafia, and useful information they have helps the town a lot more if it's in the thread and not lying with the dead.

What a silly argument.