D3: No LAN play.

How should Blizzard handle Multiplaying?

  • Bnet only

    Votes: 2 1.6%

  • Bnet and SP offline only no TCP/LAN (proposed by Blizzard)

    Votes: 1 0.8%

  • All the options D2 has

    Votes: 43 33.6%

  • All the options D2 has except Open Bnet (allow SP over LAN or TCP)

    Votes: 82 64.1%
  • Total voters
    128
Re: D3: No LAN play.

First of all D2 was one of the greatest rpg multi-player games ever made.
I enjoyed it so much I bought multiple legitimate copy's of the game to play it multiplayer with friends.
(I spent many many hours playing on LANs with friends, it was awesome !)

I am totally amazed they are not including LAN play in D3...
All I can say is OMG... what is blizzard thinking !!! (I for one have no interest in playing D3 in single-player mode or on Battlenet, I want to play it multi-player on my home LAN with friends!!!)

Oh, and one other thing...

I will not buy a copy of D3 that doesn't have multi-player LAN support.
I will not be forced to play on Battlenet or Lag-Net as it is better know !

So for the sake of people who buy legitimate copy's of games software like myself (to encourage other great games to be produced by the game company's)

Please reconsider releasing Diablo 3 with LAN play options. :yes:
 
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Me and my friends hold bi-annual lan parties here in Phoenix. aside from the most popular game (counter strike) everyone plays Diablo 2 as well. I'm really upset at the fact we won't be able to enjoy the new title in the same way. did the majority of D2 hacks come from LAn/open b.net play? Is there a reason for this?
 
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The majority of hacks and nonsense comes from people selling online Bnet items. On that basis, I think Bnet should be abolished.

The decision is without any foundation unless you are making World of Diablo. The lack of stat points seems to confirm that is the direction they are taking.

For example the MMO I play - you choose a class and you choose skills within that class and you choose how many slots you want to put in each skill. Decisions have to be made but certain classes automatically have lower health than others. It really sounds like D3 is going that way. Well I already play an online MMO so I don't need another one.

Oh and did I mention the emails I get offering to powerlevel me or send me ingame gold for RL money? Yeah online only *really* gets rid of all the cheats. NOT! :rolleyes:

Hellgate London didn't have LAN either.
 
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I just saw this thread and don't have time to read the comments but i am seriously confused as to what Blizzard are doing.

I mean they are putting things in place which 98% of the population does not like, such as no attribute allocation, no attribute requirements for items and now no Lan?

I am baffled by this as to why Blizzard are limiting game play for what should be an epic game that should be played for years without boredom or repetition setting in.

However having said that i will still buy the game, in fact i am even buying a whole new freaking computer just to play D3 (and Uni....but still).
 
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@Morathi:Yes, thats right...More and more i'm thinking about D3 (now when more information Blizz released), then it more seems to me as copy of WoW then like next part of Diablo series...And thats bad, at least for me...So, if they want to do it that way, let them do it...We still have our beloved D2 at the end :thumbup:

Edit:But as You said, we can try to play D3 (at least once) anyway...
 
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Re: D3: No LAN play.

RIP said:
@Mortahi:Yes, thats right...More and more i'm thinking about D3 (now when more information Blizz released), then it more seems to me as copy of WoW then like next part of Diablo series...And thats bad, at least for me...So, if they want to do it that way, let them do it...We still have our beloved D2 at the end :thumbup:

Edit:But as You said, we can try to play D3 (at least once) anyway...
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Look your right but lets think positively about this.

Blizzard have not failed yet in providing a quality game that everyone enjoys. War3, WoW, Diablo, SC have all been one of the most popular games in the world and all of them have delivered. So it is without a doubt, that with increasing technology in the society today that Blizzard will deliver once again with D3.

I am sure that they are doing all these changes for a reason, and although they may be disliked by the population, it may just be due to our lack of knowledge on how the game is actually going to work now.

If you take the time to read this http://www.purediablo.com/blog/on-the-drawing-board-3-preset-attributes/, you will see the reasons why they have decided to get rid of no stat allocation and other features. After reading it my self i have to agree with them.
Once we became familiar with D2, it just became a rinse and repeat procedure with stat allocation (i.e enough strength for items, dex for block and rest in vitality). Although this does get rid of an aspect of character customization, D3 will have 10x more customizing ability than D2 had.....so in the end it is no real lose. Also if you read the link, you can see that each stat (Strength, Dex, Vitality and Will Power) all do much much more to your character than D2 and these can be enhanced by items, runes, or whatever else Blizzard decide to put in the game.

And as for D3 being a copy of WoW, to me it really isn't and i don't think Blizzard wants that comparison to be made, so i am sure they will try to make it different.



 
Re: D3: No LAN play.

Morathi said:
Look your right but lets think positively about this.

Blizzard have not failed yet in providing a quality game that everyone enjoys. War3, WoW, Diablo, SC have all been one of the most popular games in the world and all of them have delivered. So it is without a doubt, that with increasing technology in the society today that Blizzard will deliver once again with D3.

I am sure that they are doing all these changes for a reason, and although they may be disliked by the population, it may just be due to our lack of knowledge on how the game is actually going to work now.

If you take the time to read this http://www.purediablo.com/blog/on-the-drawing-board-3-preset-attributes/, you will see the reasons why they have decided to get rid of no stat allocation and other features. After reading it my self i have to agree with them.
Once we became familiar with D2, it just became a rinse and repeat procedure with stat allocation (i.e enough strength for items, dex for block and rest in vitality). Although this does get rid of an aspect of character customization, D3 will have 10x more customizing ability than D2 had.....so in the end it is no real lose. Also if you read the link, you can see that each stat (Strength, Dex, Vitality and Will Power) all do much much more to your character than D2 and these can be enhanced by items, runes, or whatever else Blizzard decide to put in the game.

And as for D3 being a copy of WoW, to me it really isn't and i don't think Blizzard wants that comparison to be made, so i am sure they will try to make it different.
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Thanks :thumbup:

I've readed thread, which You've linked and i'm still undecided...It seems, that their major reason against customable attributes is - not let waste many players their chars with unbalanced stat point distribution...Hmm, but to me, my failures are also part of the fun i have in D2, so why not give us the chance to find our way (even by painfull process)...And if i good remember, in Blizz interview was written, that they are not sure, if they want use Talismans at the end for balancing the stats - they are also undecided...Maby i understand it wrong...

Anyway until the date, when game is released, we never know...They CAN make any changes they want...We shall see...



 
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Its sounds to me like they are going to have to change everything about this game after releasing it. There's no way I'll buy it before the expansion comes out, it just all over the place. Removing attributes now after saying no LAN - its just not diablo!!!
 
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Interesting reading. I have to agree that they are make D3 "less Diablo", and more of WoW.

I'd not buy or play D3 if it is just another WoW.
 
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I hope they release a demo. I don't really want to buy it without trying it since so much is changing. First I had to leave WoW for EQ2 because warcraft got too easy. Now they are putting aspects of warcraft into Diablo, and it seems to be dulling it down. Don't forget as well, special b.net features will have to be paid for; I never thought I'd have to pay for diablo. Oh, I almost forgot about the new art style(yikes!). Yes, I really hope a demo is released.
 
Re: D3: No LAN play.

So, what if D3 is released without LAN, but a third party is able to create a mod that enables it? Would this be supported by the forum?
 
Re: D3: No LAN play.

lionheartthebrave said:
Bashiok Looking for Your Diablo 3 Questions


Here is a chance to email in and ask why there will be no LAN play for d3
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Already have. :grin: I also brought up the report that [Flux, maybe?] made that said some computers at Blizzcon were LAN'ed for the demo and whether it was for that occasion alone or if they were rethinking their original announcement and may add it for the final release. Hopefully they'll respond with SOMETHING.

I also asked if there was any consideration for being able to trade between one's own single player characters, as well as with another person's characters.

I tried to drive home the point that many SPers are chomping at the bit wanting to know answers to the questions above. I just hope I wasn't rude in doing so... :scratchchin:


 
Re: D3: No LAN play.

Well,

Here's my e-mail. It's long and will most likely not be read, but I was hoping to provide some context for my question.

Hi Bashiok,

I'm a member of the thriving single player diablo 2 community (found here : http://www.purediablo.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=3) called the SPF at diii.net. The community has an incredible amount to offer for those of us who still play Diablo 2 regularly, including the ability to play in mp games with people who are trusted friends. For those of us who are turned off by the constant spam, scamming and general terrible social skills of the users that plague battle.net, this is a huge resource. Add in the higher confidence in our trade pool that we're dealing with items that are not duped, hacked or otherwise cheated, and we have quite a great community of likeminded folks.

But it all hinges on our ability to associate with each other. This is accomplished through TCP/IP games, and the associated ability to trade. That is, I host a game and give my ip to my trusted friends who connect and play together with me. The comments so far from blizzard developers have indicated that there will be zero "LAN" functionality. There has also been the comment that "We want all to know that it's better to play on Battle.net" ... frankly, for many of us, that is not true. For people in Australia who want to play with someone in the middle of the united states, battle.net is NOT a viable option, especially in hardcore. But a computer to computer link with a ping under 75ms is.

I think the reality is that as a company, Blizzard is trying to push battle.net 2.0 as a way to make even more money. That's your right as a company. But to try and tell players how to think is not. The fact will never change that most of the players on battle.net are rude and anti-social. They won't stop spamming and scamming. The community there is terrible and unbearable to some of us and it will NEVER be better to play on battle.net for us.

So my question, after all of that, is this: Will blizzard re-consider and provide TCP/IP play for those of us who want to play with friends around the world, in our own community which we have formed based upon your previous diablo games?

Best Regards,
Drixx
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Who knows... they might come take a look and reconsider :)
 
Re: D3: No LAN play.

A bit of a long post below... TL;DR version at the bottom for those of you who don't wanna read it all.


Guys, this is Diablo III, not another expansion to Diablo II. I plan to buy Diablo III regardless of the direction in which Blizzard takes it, because I for one want a new game, not Diablo II with updated graphics.

I've played over LAN in D2 at my home and also at various local internet cafes with friends but I've also spend quite a bit of time playing WoW, which is a great game in its own right.

Personally, I'm not reading much on D3 (or SC2 for that matter) because the Diablo games are some of my favourites ever, and I don't want the third one in the series spoiled... apart from a quick look here and there, I haven't read much.

However, stat-point allocation, character customization options, and other gameplay mechanics (I must admit I'd have preferred the graphics to have a darker feel, but there's nothing wrong with a "bright" look) to me are irrelevant, as D3 might be very good without it being a clone of D2 with a revamped graphics engine. Nor do I expect it to be a clone of WoW, as that would be just as redundant as it being a clone of D2.

It seems Blizzard is of this philosophy as well... they want people to remember D3 as its own game, hence some drastic changes from D2 - has anyone yet considered the drastic changes that came with D2 when compared to D1? We remember Diablo and D2 as distinct and separate games because of major gameplay changes like the new skill system, not because it was a "newer" version of D1.

On the subject of no LAN play - has anyone here played any WoW? I've played a few MMO's and certainly Blizzard exceeded anyone's expectations with their first venture into the MMO market - it's simply the best. The online service is excellent, with little lag (unless you live very far away and/or play on servers not in your region - but this is the case with any game, period), and minimal hacks, in stark contrast to D2's current Battle.net.

As far as "idiots" go, it is true that there are people that there are "Bnet kiddies" out there, but a good deal of this fear springs from self-sustaining fear caused by single-player elitism. Assuming the situation is as bad as this community makes it out to be (it is true that in some cases, it is - and this goes for both D2 BNet and WoW), there is really nothing forcing you to play with these people.

That said, I do agree with Thyiad in the sense that having region-specific servers is an obstacle to a global community like this one being able to play together. I know I've certainly wished to play with various forum members and ex-forum members from this community in WoW, but the European service and North American service are completely isolated. An excellent solution to this was the system employed by Guild Wars, in which everyone exists in one big world.

Anyways, I realize this has gotten long so I'll end it here with the closing remarks that I think this community is perhaps putting too much emphasis on keeping everything like it was in D2, where in reality D3 may be an excellent game regardless of similarities or rather dissimilarities to D2.

TL;DR version: D3 is a new game, not just D2 with a new gfx engine.
 
Re: D3: No LAN play.

Arkardo said:
So, what if D3 is released without LAN, but a third party is able to create a mod that enables it? Would this be supported by the forum?
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It is violation of EULA. While personaly I dont believe in EULA blunters, Thyiad doesnt want to cross this line and I understand her green opinion. It could be very dangerous judical precedent in forum rules ...

On the other hand, muling utility should be ok (but it only solves half of the problem ..)


 
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skiffcz said:
It is violation of EULA. While personaly I dont believe in EULA blunters, Thyiad doesnt want to cross this line and I understand her green opinion. It could be very dangerous judical precedent in forum rules ...

On the other hand, muling utility should be ok (but it only solves half of the problem ..)
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I think it's not really Thyiad so much as it is the site policy. Nothing illegal. No hacks, cheats, or illegal anything. Since something that violates the EULA is not legal, there you go.



 
Re: D3: No LAN play.

Drixx said:
I think it's not really Thyiad so much as it is the site policy. Nothing illegal. No hacks, cheats, or illegal anything. Since something that violates the EULA is not legal, there you go.
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Though surely the modified .dll currently accepted by the SPF violates the Diablo II EULA? I'm not great at legal speak, but I checked the text file Licence.txt contaning the EULA in the Diablo 2 folder and it looks like 3) A says not to modify any of the program.


 
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