Create Your Own Role Mafia game

[Solar Ice]

I'm sorry sweetheart I wasn't clear. I meant you bare on a rug. I hope that's clearer.....and pics start showing up in my inbox PRONTO!!!

Whoa, Glib, I thought that you are married! :nono:

 

[flubbucket1]

I'm just looking muther....gyah!!

You never let me do anything!!! :rant:

 

[Solar Ice]

The problem that I see with Kingmaker is that in the hands of a Townie, it is a crapshoot. Making a Mafioso a King can be crippling. And even if the Townie makes another Townie King, that King still goes by his own opinions regarding who to lynch. He in effect becomes an anonymous Vigilante for that Day that can force a No-lynch.

Kingmaker in the hands of a Mafia, I think needs no explanation of the devastation that it can do.

The role is totally overpowered, in my honest opinion.

 

[Ankeli1]

Overpowered, not necessarily given the fact that it's more likely to land on a townie. Hard to use in a pro-town way, yes. At this point I'd almost say that using it to override a majority decision means you're mafia. Unless you have some evidence no one else does.

 

[Malevolent]

yep, the kingmaker has to go ASAP...

also this is a 72 hour day, don't we have heaps of time left? ill double check

 

[Malevolent]

oh, it is half way through the day.... i thought we had more time

 

[thefranklin]

If that is true, I would have PM'd gory directly. Do you think that clarifying role intereactions in the thread was a bad idea?

I will admit my attention on the case did come from a personal interest, I made the mime (with good changes from Gory) and am curious how he had it intereact with other roles.



Pretty much what I have said: as a role, kingmaker scares me the most - a mafia can basically veto lynches. So I have suggested the claiming, because that prevents mafia from using it well.



Huh? When are you saying we should claim? From my understanding most people think we should claim the previous day's role, not the current one.

Gwahir: Thanks for clearing that up about claiming, I wasn't thinking straight. I was just thinking of any way that the mass claim at day start is not a good idea, and that popped into my head. Seems like the BFF will be about the only one that won't rotate, and who is holding what tarot card. Right now I am thinking we need to confirm what card is given and what card is received to get two names connected.

As for the mime question, I guess I can see why you are thinking more about it since it is your creation. In my eyes you didn't just clarify a standard role reaction, you clarified one that will very possible be able to silently mislead the town. The mime is just bad news if the mafia have it, so the fact that you only chose the scientist was puzzling. An evil tarot or king mime is much worse. An evil bus driver has to be the worst, lol half the people will have had their stuff moved around. And if this combination happens at a later stage, everyone will be mopped up.

 

[Ankeli1]

To be honest I wouldn't mind if the kingmaker claimed straight away and we lynched him today just to get the role out of the way. It's a game changing role for either party, but the mafia has so much of an easier time using it efficiently than the town does that it's not even funny. That is, if the current kingmaker feels up to dying this early. Personally, I'll claim it straight off if I get it just to get it out.

 

[Kestegs]

I agree that the kingmaker role is very dangerous in the hands of mafia. But people keep saying it can just be passed around between mafia, which I don't see how that's possible except by a single tarrot card. If the mafia actually use the ability as king then we know that person is mafia and the person we were trying to lynch is mafia. That seems like a fair trade for the town. Again, the issue comes into play if the mafia can indeed keep passing it around, so maybe I'm missing something?

 

[Kestegs]

To be honest I wouldn't mind if the kingmaker claimed straight away and we lynched him today just to get the role out of the way. It's a game changing role for either party, but the mafia has so much of an easier time using it efficiently than the town does that it's not even funny. That is, if the current kingmaker feels up to dying this early. Personally, I'll claim it straight off if I get it just to get it out.

I figured you'd be above LAMISTing. Know that your mafia buddies don't have the role today, much?

 

[flubbucket1]

I agree that the kingmaker role is very dangerous in the hands of mafia. But people keep saying it can just be passed around between mafia, which I don't see how that's possible except by a single tarrot card. If the mafia actually use the ability as king then we know that person is mafia and the person we were trying to lynch is mafia. That seems like a fair trade for the town. Again, the issue comes into play if the mafia can indeed keep passing it around, so maybe I'm missing something?

The role states the Kingmaker choo-choo-chooses the next king.

 

[flubbucket1]

... Personally, I'll claim it straight off if I get it just to get it out.

 

[thefranklin]

And there is the lovely flogic of flubb. The kingmaker role rotates around, king only lasts for a day.

 

[Moar]

Okay, I understand where you're coming from. I still disagree, however. Every time we make the mafia claim something, they either have to tell the truth (which works against their win condition usually), or they tell a lie, which increases the chance they get caught. Both are win/win in my book. Therefore, I think we should definitely proceed with the 'next day' claims.



Biggest thing that jumps to mind is the Kingmaker. Namely, the person he named as king the following day. For instance, let's say I'm Kingmaker today. Tonight, I'd choose someone to be King. Tomorrow I have a completely new role, claim that I had Kingmaker yesterday, and possibly divulge who the King is today. Is that helpful to town? Probably. But it does create the possibility that the town tries working in some lynch shenanigans, to which we spend half a day trying to work out some convoluted plan to confirm town and lynch scum at the same time.

I suggest you read the roles again. I just did to be sure about what I'm talking about. The Kingmaker has to act in the first 24-hours each day and the King is king that same day.

amendment to the above, i re-read the paris+BFF role, and i now see that the name of the BFF is given to the paris, so i am not as concerned as i was. If we can catch out who was paris today tomorrow, and we lynch the bff who turns out to be scum, we can pretty much guarantee that the original paris is also scum.

And if the original Paris is a Townie that chose a Mafioso as a BFF, by accident? I would definitely not go so far as to say that one alignment guarantees the alignment of the other, with the Paris Role. Though I would say that the chances of the original Paris being Scum are higher if the BFF turns out Scum.

I don't think a scum Paris would want a scum BFF since Paris must vote for the BFF at hammertime. Why would scum take that risk?

The problem that I see with Kingmaker is that in the hands of a Townie, it is a crapshoot. Making a Mafioso a King can be crippling. And even if the Townie makes another Townie King, that King still goes by his own opinions regarding who to lynch. He in effect becomes an anonymous Vigilante for that Day that can force a No-lynch.

Kingmaker in the hands of a Mafia, I think needs no explanation of the devastation that it can do.

The role is totally overpowered, in my honest opinion.

I don't think it's overpowered if we do the day before roleclaims. How can mafia effectively use the role to save one of their own if the king has to claim? Can't be used before endgame me thinks. Or am I missing something here?

To be honest I wouldn't mind if the kingmaker claimed straight away and we lynched him today just to get the role out of the way. It's a game changing role for either party, but the mafia has so much of an easier time using it efficiently than the town does that it's not even funny. That is, if the current kingmaker feels up to dying this early. Personally, I'll claim it straight off if I get it just to get it out.

That's pointless. Roles can be resurected this game.

 

[flubbucket1]

That's pointless. Roles can be resurected this game.

That's right....:doh:


I'm certainly glad I was dumb before this because I might have been embarrassed.

Especially since I've actually been reading this thread.

 

[flubbucket1]

And there is the lovely flogic of flubb. The kingmaker role rotates around, king only lasts for a day.

I'm going to guess you meant to add something pertinent other than just flinging some poo from inside your cage??

 

[Kestegs]

I suggest you read the roles again. I just did to be sure about what I'm talking about. The Kingmaker has to act in the first 24-hours each day and the King is king that same day.





I don't think a scum Paris would want a scum BFF since Paris must vote for the BFF at hammertime. Why would scum take that risk?



I don't think it's overpowered if we do the day before roleclaims. How can mafia effectively use the role to save one of their own if the king has to claim? Can't be used before endgame me thinks. Or am I missing something here?



That's pointless. Roles can be resurected this game.

errrr......take your own advice?

You are the Kingmaker!

At night, you must choose one other player to become the King for the day. You may not choose yourself.

Tiny Print:
This ability is compulsory. If you don't submit a name, a player will be chosen at random.
Submitting a name counts as targeting a player and is an active ability.
The King ability bestowed is in addition to a normal role. All aspects of the other role still apply.

Your chosen King will receive the following PM at the start of the day:

You are the King!

You have the ability to secretly replace who will be lynched today instead of following the normal voting/lynch rules. At any time before the end of the day, you may send a PM to the mod in order to change the lynch target.

Tiny Print:
This ability is optional.
Your identity is not publicized.
Use of this ability is not publicized.
The chosen player must be a valid lynch target for you.
If the town does not choose a lynch target, this ability has no effect.
You may override a lock.

That's right....:doh:


I'm certainly glad I was dumb before this because I might have been embarrassed.

Especially since I've actually been reading this thread.

lol.

 

[Moar]

Argh. My bad. I had that written down as day ability. Now I have to think about that again (and correct my notes). I still don't see why it would be overpowered though. Same logic of mafia outing themselves if they use it applies. Or am I wrong there too?

 

[flubbucket1]

I wouldnt say rolefishing is anti-town? Why would it be in this game? Cause...the roles are all gonna switch and have nothing to do with alliance.

Read your stuff Gwahir. Vote sticks for now.

Okay this is true. Now I have a question.

I guess I still don't really see it? There are reasons to not do a full claim, but I really don't see a situation where holding out until late in the day helps. It just gives the town less time to act on information. (With the exception of the politition, but not sure how claiming effects it). I agree with thefranklin, holding out just makes for having town rush desisions.



If that is true, I would have PM'd gory directly. Do you think that clarifying role intereactions in the thread was a bad idea?

I will admit my attention on the case did come from a personal interest, I made the mime (with good changes from Gory) and am curious how he had it intereact with other roles.



Pretty much what I have said: as a role, kingmaker scares me the most - a mafia can basically veto lynches. So I have suggested the claiming, because that prevents mafia from using it well.



Huh? When are you saying we should claim? From my understanding most people think we should claim the previous day's role, not the current one.

My question is in regards to the Paris Hilton role. You all can read the role so I won't quote it.

Since it will rotate, what can we make of the BFF if in fact he/she remains an anonymous townie. Will they be privy to information in the QT if in fact they do get paired up with mafia Paris?? Even if it isn't specific information it could be things gleaned from the QT conversations. I may be allowing my imagination to run rampant and not understanding what I'm reading. So does anyone see this as valuable or more mindless babbling from boobbucket??

....
- another dangerous role is the paris hilton role, IF it was given the a mafia first then that mafia could choose thier scumbuddy as a BFF, so all future hiltons will be talking with a mafia member, to anybody who has the paris hilton role, please be very careful about who you pick, I for one am not going to trust what i hear from the BFF.

Just quoted for paranoia...:yikes:

 

[MartinLong]

Since it will rotate, what can we make of the BFF if in fact he/she remains an anonymous townie. Will they be privy to information in the QT if in fact they do get paired up with mafia Paris?? Even if it isn't specific information it could be things gleaned from the QT conversations. I may be allowing my imagination to run rampant and not understanding what I'm reading. So does anyone see this as valuable or more mindless babbling from boobbucket??

The BFF thing is interesting.
Town + Town
Town + Mafia
Mafia + Mafia

Town + Town, has the situation where no one can truly trust each other. In which case, maybe confirming the BFF is town can be very helpful.

Town + Mafia, Again, Town won't trust the other member, but I can see mafia making up stuff to try to cloud their judgemnet

and M+M doesn't really add much.

The BFF claiming could let us work on us confirming they are town. From there, the 'Paris'' of the world (lulz) will know if they can trust him/her or not.

...boobbucket....hawt.