Batman - The Dark Knight Mafia Game

[pharphis]

So you are saying that if you don't find any of the people with the most votes to be scummy, you just don't vote?



I remember Gory's point being that you don't vote someone you believe is town just to get a lynch. That is very different than not working to get a lynch. In fact, I remember Gory working quite hard to get a BA lynch.

No, I'm saying I won't vote someone who is a strong lynch candidate if I don't find them scummy. If I find someone else scummy they will get my vote.

 

[Solar Ice]

A general question to the town: If this was a standard day start with a standard lynch instead of the Interrogate mechanic, would you be pro-lynch or anti-lynch?

I am pro-lynch. If I think that a player is deserving to get my vote he/she gets my vote regardless of whether it is interrogate or standard.

With regards to the mini game, an important point that is being overlooked for the BPC no-lynch last game was the fact that there was already a no lynch on Day 1. What would have occurred had BPC been lynched Day 2 was MYLO with 6 players remaining. Would a Townie player take that chance and lock BPC, especially if that player considered BPC to be Town?

 

[Bad Ash]

That's an absurd thing to say. Do you really think for a split second that the conversation will go any differently than, "Well, we HAVE to lynch the interogatees, otherwise we waste a day and a lynch opportunity."? I could have sworn you've actually played this game before, but your comment calls that into question.

Keep tightening that rope.

Won't be changing my interrogation vote for today.

What's the point of interrogating someone and putting them up for a lynch if you're not going to bother following through?

The Interrogate is a vote. The Release is an unvote. As town, you shouldn't be voting for someone you're not willing to see lynched. So why is this any different? Just because you have a longer period of time to back out of it? Ultimately, what's the difference between 24 hours and 72? If you think someone is scum, will another two days of them defending themselves change your mind?

Are we gonna have enough information to justify an interrogation from a twilight phase? If yes the Noodle has provided more than enough. If No then some men just want to watch the world burn

And I'm not Alfred just couldn't pass up the opportunity to use that bad boy

 

[Drixx]

At this point - by looking at posts, interrogates, questions, and responses to figure out who is more likely to be scum or more likely to be town. How does randomization of roles change that? Not sure what you mean about mechanic use, but I intend to us it to "pre-vote" on someone I feel is scummy, and not for someone I feel is quiet. As CG stated earlier interrogate is only useful if there is some threat behind it, so unless we actually plan on lynching an interrogation target, I don't see any point to interrogating. And while I can see pointing the threat at lurkers to get them to talk more, I think it more useful to point it as people I think are likely scum.

Okay ... but without this twilight mechanic, how would we have had anything but silly spam posts to fill in the time? The interrogation mechanic has people talking about the game and making arguments about how to use it and about what it implies for using the second part of it and such.

Without other people using the interrogate mechanic, you would have had only spam and off-topic posts to go on. Since roles are randomized, without this mechanic what would you have to go on? You seemed to be against the use of this mechanic unless those of us using it planned to try and lynch our interrogate target tomorrow; however, without some of us using it to get the discussion on topic, nobody would have anything to really go on tomorrow. Your position seems self-contradictory. You criticize us for using it early and saying that we may swap it to other people or we may not want to lynch the person we interrogate, and you back up that criticism by saying you are going to look at "posts, interrogates, questions and responses" to figure out who is likely to be scum ... but you wouldn't have any of that stuff if nobody used the mechanic. You would instead have a bunch of spam and off-topic posts.

So you condemn the very people providing you with the information you say you want to use to find scum. The way that reads to me is that you don't care who gets lynched just as long as you can point to a good reason why you thought they were scum.

 

[Malevolent]

wow, lots of talk while i have been sleeping! stupid timezones...

lets lay out the should we interrogate/prosecute when we will probably hit a townie situation....

there are 23 people this game, this leads me to beleive that there are 4 or 5 mafia, IF the mafia knew who each other were then thier votes will most likely be on different townies, so as not to all be connected, then the town will most likely pile up and hit a townie, i would say that the chances of getting a mafia lynched from the twilight information is pretty low, even if we have 3 subjects up for interrogation. If the mafia do not yet know each other then the town would have a decent shot i would say, the question is, do mafia normally receive thier teamates names during the twilight phase?

This being said, even a town lynch can be beneficial to the town, but with a prosection it opens the possibility of two town lynches, and coupled with a NK or two that would be crippling.
i would prefer to interrogate only people that i find scummy, and not just go for lurkers, lurkers are easy votes that may not give any real information, because they havent posted enough for thier death to give us clues. so yes, interrogate those who you find scummy, and tommorow do not feel obliged to prosecute simply because we CAN. if you no longer feel the same way about the people who have been interrogated, throwing the lynch may not help, considering that the ay 1 normal lynch only has a small chance of success, and killing 2 townies this early would be very bad, 1 townie death is easily survivable, and may lead to helpful information, but i beleive that we are all rushing headlong into a double lynch that may end badly tommorow. tomorrow is a different day and it should be treated as such.

 

[coju]

Drixx, i feel as though your role wasn't randomized. Looks like you're pushing an agenda here with all these "randomized roles"

We have approximate 24hrs left in twilight, correct?

 

[Malevolent]

I wasn't asking for a specific answer. I was just trying to get you to consider that Noodle lurks as both town and mafia. His lurkiness is not a good indication of his alignment.

qft, every game i have played with noodle(2 or 3) he has lurked, it is his character, not an indication of his alignment, the only problem is that town noodle isnt very helpful.....

 

[Malevolent]

That's an absurd thing to say. Do you really think for a split second that the conversation will go any differently than, "Well, we HAVE to lynch the interogatees, otherwise we waste a day and a lynch opportunity."? I could have sworn you've actually played this game before, but your comment calls that into question.

what if we get some form of evidence that suggests that we shouldnt, still think we HAVE to lynch em.

also- @noodle- what made you decide to change your tactics? was it the interrogation system?

 

[Drixx]

Drixx, i feel as though your role wasn't randomized. Looks like you're pushing an agenda here with all these "randomized roles"

We have approximate 24hrs left in twilight, correct?

See next quote. Pointing out what the game mod said happened is not an agenda. You trying to put words in my mouth might be though.

Please Note: That the game has not yet started. It will start on Monday, April 22nd at 5 pm EST (which is GMT -5, for reference Solar's game had the same start and end times). The game will start with a twilight phase in which votes will not be counted and no one can be lynched. [highlight]I will be randomizing and sending out role pms sometime tonight or tomorrow[/highlight] so if you have not received a role pm by end of day tomorrow please notify me as soon as possible.

qft, every game i have played with noodle(2 or 3) he has lurked, it is his character, not an indication of his alignment, the only problem is that town noodle isnt very helpful.....

Well ... a lurker town noodle with a power role, especially sane cop, who gets away with lurking, could be very useful to us. Even if he has no role and lurks and stays alive and is there to help secure the right lynch at the right time, that could be helpful. That said, every game I've played with Noodle it seemed like the game wasn't really much of a priority to him, heh. I'd like to see just how good a player he can be interacting and scumhunting.

 

[Pyrotechnician1]

We have approximate 24hrs left in twilight, correct?

We have exactly 24 hours left in twilight from this post.

 

[Goryani]

Did a quick read through and this feels right:

Interrogate: Drixx

Back to re-read.

 

[Noodle]

what if we get some form of evidence that suggests that we shouldnt, still think we HAVE to lynch em.

also- @noodle- what made you decide to change your tactics? was it the interrogation system?

No, ironically, the interrogation system probably made me more likely to lurk, rather than less. I simply had more free time at the beginning of this game than I typically do. I'm flying to Las Vegas on Sunday for a conference, so I would imagine I'll be able to get some good quality lurking done then. Ninjas will look on my lurking with approval and a bit of jealousy.

 

[Jason Maher]

Real discussion in a twilight phase? I think I need to post some more pictures of goats.

 

[Moar]

I'll use my interrogate. My first instinct was to use it on BPC for his spam post. I won't do that though since his post could very well be a VI post. I don't know who to interrogate yet. Just read the last 10 pages or so in one go and haven't processed them fully yet.

I think the best thing with the interrogation vote is that there is a night between nomination and possible lynch. Look at last game where the party host outed one mafia right away. If something similar happened this game, we could lynch with vote 2 if the person is one of the interrogated and continue scumhunting for vote 1. Or use normal vote if he isn't and scumhunting could continue for the day for those up for vote 2. We don't have to use it if we are reasonably sure that both are townies.

So I disagree with the notion that if you interrogated someone, you have to vote for that person the next day. Night actions can change much of your original assumptions.

 

[Malevolent]

well noodle, i didnt know your lurking was cause d by genuine bussiness, i always imagined you checking the mafia game 30 times a day and just not posting out of caution.

@Jason, that comment reeks of scumminess, of course we are trying to get something accomplished in the twilight phase, i can see how goat pics would benefit the mafia greatly

 

[Malevolent]

So I disagree with the notion that if you interrogated someone, you have to vote for that person the next day. Night actions can change much of your original assumptions.

thank you moar, this was exactly what i was trying to say.

 

[Drixx]

Did a quick read through and this feels right:

Interrogate: Drixx

Back to re-read.

Lol really?

 

[Caluin Graye]

I'll use my interrogate. My first instinct was to use it on BPC for his spam post. I won't do that though since his post could very well be a VI post. I don't know who to interrogate yet. Just read the last 10 pages or so in one go and haven't processed them fully yet.

Village Idiots are harmful to the town. They act like scum on purpose, and in my opinion, should be treated exactly as a scum player. Lynch them, remove their influence upon the game, and let them have their victory celebration.

I think the best thing with the interrogation vote is that there is a night between nomination and possible lynch. Look at last game where the party host outed one mafia right away. If something similar happened this game, we could lynch with vote 2 if the person is one of the interrogated and continue scumhunting for vote 1. Or use normal vote if he isn't and scumhunting could continue for the day for those up for vote 2. We don't have to use it if we are reasonably sure that both are townies.

So I disagree with the notion that if you interrogated someone, you have to vote for that person the next day. Night actions can change much of your original assumptions.

Well, in your scenario, that would be what I would reference as a 'very compelling reason.'

You shouldn't Interrogate someone that you're not willing to see lynched tomorrow. Someone who votes to Interrogate but doesn't vote to Prosecute the same person will earn some hefty scum marks unless there's a very compelling reason.

 

[Goryani]

Lol really?

Yes, really. And thank you for that response as I was expecting it. You didn't consider Interrogation a real vote even while being voted for. I'm not surprised. Noodle didn't. I wouldn't. I think we all know it doesn't really count.

Release: Drixx

I'll be honest, I'm not sure how town should handle interrogation/prosecution or if it should at all.

 

[BipolarChemist]

Interrogate: BipolarChemist?

You know I'd do anything for you babe. No need to interrogate