23 Runeword Search Thread

Psyadam It is totally possible with Excel to do what you said. All you'd hvae to do is name each worksheet tab at the bottom (after adding 33 pages, one for each rune) then set up each page identically to Wathombe's two socketed item spreadsheets. I like it. If you are serious about the creation of the sheet, then you have my Sword, axe and staff in the creation and testing. One Excel Workbook with 33 worksheets in it will be a chore, but it is not totally unfeasable.

Engrage987 If you got a Hel rune from NM coiuntess, then count yourself lucky. The Highest that I have gotten from nm countess is Amn and Shael, and the highest nm countess will drop is Io, one away from the Hel you've gotten.

Also, I have a 68th level CL/Orb sorc and a 78th level concentrate barb. I am on USWest. Acct: *pandorapuss_dod

916_Andy: McClatchy, eh? That puts you off of Hwy 99, not to far from me. I could probably hit your house with a rock from where I am at, LOL.

Well all, just got in from a Day of boating and one too many Tequila Sunrises, so I am off to bed. 35 runes collected so far and getting ready to do a day full of runs tomorrow. Anybody interested in the gems offer I posted on the prior page fro crafting runes up for further testing past Io?

Pandorapuss
 
Pandorapuss: Actually I think the highest countess will drop is Ko, I usually get in the Tal-Shael range myself, well thats a lie I usually get in the El-Nef range but I she does drop in the Tal-Shael range sometimes. Hell countess can drop as high as Lo I think and the highest rune i've had from her was Lum and the best drop was Hel, Shael and Shael.
 
Cadogan Trahem said:
Pandorapuss: Actually I think the highest countess will drop is Ko, I usually get in the Tal-Shael range myself, well thats a lie I usually get in the El-Nef range but I she does drop in the Tal-Shael range sometimes. Hell countess can drop as high as Lo I think and the highest rune i've had from her was Lum and the best drop was Hel, Shael and Shael.
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Yeah, since 1.10 she can drop up to Lo, in hell of course. The four last runes she can give (Gul, Vex, Ohm, Lo) are VERY unlikely though : she will approximatively give one Gul for one hundred Ist...

In 1.09 her drop chances were slightly lower for all runes up to Ist (drop ratio increased by about 50%, so roughly a rune with a drop ratio of 1:150 now has one of 1:100), but Gul and Vex were much easier to find : their drop ratios were more or less linearly following those of the previous 24 runes, so they were something like 70 times more likely to drop than they now are. Ohm and Lo could not drop at all though.

I for myself have decided I'd do 1109 hell countess runs, since 1:1109 is the drop ratio for Ist (I don't play ladder). So far, I've done 220 runs and found all runes up to Io multiple times, plus one or two Ko, even one Um (1:635 drop chance), and also some interesting rares. In 1.09, I saw a Vex drop in a mass-murder game, but I couldn't grab it :(

Anyway, if you want to do hell countess runs, you'll need a sorceress to do them efficiently (except if you have an Enigma to go through the first four levels of the tower, which is by far not my case), and a resilient one, since you'll probably get severely hurt in the process. My sorceress is an old 1.09 orb/firewall tank build, so she can withstand quite a punishment, but don't even think about MF gear. Besides, the Countess is always fire AND cold immune, so either you have a lightning sorceress, either you need a strong mercenary (mine can kill the Countess and all her minions by himself, unless she has too much mods that add damage).
 
I do hell countess runs daily with my 84 zon using a freezing arrow/Immolation&Exploding Arrow combination. Sure sometimes it can take some time to get through the levels but several times i've had good drops on the way (some more recent drops include: 14% resist all grand charm, two 7% magic find small charms and a 6% magic find small charm with 32 AR). I've also found two Fal's a handful of Shael and quite a few Tal-Thul on the way through the tower.
 
What do you expect by using these crap runes?
Even if these rune words worked, they wolud be so frustrating weak.
I think Blizzard made really kickass words.
So try something like Vex Zod Zod!
 
Well, I'm not rich at all, and found these crap runes and a 2 socket orb so tried it, what's the problem?

Next time I find a Vex and a couple of Zods I'll let you know
 
Erage987 said:
well you can add erage987 im east softcre ladder and i have a lvl 76 wanna-be avenger pally and i just started doing some nm countess runs for runes.....so far the highest rune i got is hel:(
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dude don't feel bad, after 50+ countess hell runs this ladder season, the best rune i got was Hel

last ladder season i had 4 Um's and 2 Ist, 1 Pul in 223 countess runs

did em all in two days, which is a little faster than it takes to find some good people to rush, most people i rush tend to get "disconnected" as soon as they pick up the hellforge hammer... isn't it sad
 
Dark Assassin said:
What do you expect by using these crap runes?
Even if these rune words worked, they wolud be so frustrating weak.
I think Blizzard made really kickass words.
So try something like Vex Zod Zod!
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don't flame this thread, help us or don't post
 
Ikeren said:
Just out of curiosity, how many pernumerations have we tested in total so far?
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Shaft.ed or Wathombe could tell you. I believe we're nearing the 500 mark . i personally have only tested 10 , however i probably have the highest tested ones, i burned an Um on a random test, several Fal's and lots of Io's and Hel's
 
Morning, all.

Updated: wathombe's runeword spreadsheet

Lots o' responses:

Re: 3-socket grids:
Yes, I'd started thinking about these two or three weeks ago, but didn't say anything yet (primarily because we have plenty of work to do on the 2-socket grids). Psyadam hit it right on the money, though. The best thing to do is pick one rune as a constant (i.e., Shael-blank-blank or blank-Tir-blank), then you have the same 2-socket grid for the other two sockets.​

Rather than doing blanket testing, however, I think it would be best to look at InsaneFarmer's positional analysis (download here) and come up with the best constants and item types. The best, hands-down, would be Shael-blank-blank in swords, but coming up with several hundred Shaels would be difficult. If you have a chance (and I will, too), look at IF's positional analysis to see if we can find a lower rune that's used frequently in a certain position in a certain item type, and we'll build one or two 3-socket grids.​

Apom: Yeah, sorry, I cross-checked Friday afternoon, should have told you. "Tie" and "tin" aren't in there because we tossed Ith (as well as Ort, Sol, and Shael) because acronyms containing an "i" (or "o" or "s") could also use Ist (or Ohm or Sur).

Green_Bandit: Well, with the 1.07 list and Kenny-Z's clues shot down, it's all grasping at straws. The acronyms may be a reach, but they're cheap and certainly a better shot than randomly testing 3- to 6-socket words. We've got to use any clues we can.

tlaloc: Logged, posted, thanks. You're doing good work.

PearlJam: Quite right. Logged, tested, thank you.

erage987: You're added. And ditto to what the others said: Io is the highest rune nm countess can drop, and given that, Hel is not so bad.

Ikeren: It's a little impractical to count the number of actual recipes tested (you try counting all those "T's" in the 2-socket grids!), but I do total the actual runes burned once a week. As of last Tuesday, we had burned 1,655 runes. We're burning anywhere from 200-500 a week , so we've probably hit 2,000 by now. Only 150 or so of the words we've tested have been more than 2 sockets, so say we've used 600-700 runes for those. That leaves about 1,300-1,400 runes into 2-socket words, or 650-700 of those tested. So total, we've tested over 900 words, I'd say.


InsaneFarmer said:
Dark Assassin said:
What do you expect by using these crap runes?
Even if these rune words worked, they wolud be so frustrating weak.
I think Blizzard made really kickass words.
So try something like Vex Zod Zod!
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don't flame this thread, help us or don't post
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Amen.
 
Ok folks I think that we need to bark up the beta runeword tree. As sad as the flamer was I kinda think that he/she is right. Testing el-amn might be a serious setback. I strongly believe that the beta runswords that are discovered are now active with one or two of the runes changed in the formula. I know that I am reaching, but I firmly believe that if we can test beta runewords or variances of them that we will find a couple. If you look at the beta runewords you will see that the words and the basic function of the runeword are still in function. Eg. if the runewords primary purpose would be to give skills, and mf then that will continue to function in that capacity. So long and short of it: I know some of them are beyond the scope of testing; however, that is where I believe the runewords are hidden. A good exam[ple will be beauty I think. I believe that is a mf helm setup with plus one skills. Substitute one of the lower runes with a higher one. My suggestion si substitute the lowest rune(el) in that formulae with another rune such um,pul, ist(my guess), or others. I believe those beta runewords are our best clues. So GL and good hunting.
 
Dark Assasin :

If you have some Zods to spare, you're welcome. Other than that, I entirely agree with Insane Farmer.


Wathombe :

I now remember for the "I" part, I can't beleive I forgot that, especially since I'm the one who first came with the idea... *flagellates himself*

Also, could you add my one-page spreadsheet to yours ? I think it would be better than just having multiple ones around.

Finally, I suggest we don't bother with the three-socket words before we have finished at least all two-socket words in all item classes (double runes included, I mean EldEld for example), assuming at least one word will be a two-socket one. OK, let's say all up to IstIst, to stay within the (reasonable) Hell Countess range. We need to set objectives if we want to reach objectives...


ToughE and all others :

OK, I've seen this idea multiple times now, and I feel I must react to it. To put it simply, I am absolutely opposed to it. Let's say we want to test a four-socket runeword :

-one rune may have been changed. 4x32 = 128 possibilities.
-the order of the runes may have been changed. 4! = 24 possibilities.
-item type may have been modified. For a four-socket word, I'd say around 15 possibilities.

Conclusion : to extensively test a single runeword, and considering all the previously stated modifications can have happened together (not even speaking of two runes being changed simultaneously), we are facing 128 x 24 x 15 = 46080 possibilities. That means 184320 runes. 184320 runes to test ONE runeword. Compare this with 23 x 33² runes to test ALL the two-socket combinations. I don't know about you, but I've made my choice.


PS : for your information, 23 x 33² = 25047 = roughly one seventh of 184320.
 
Diabolic Apom said:
Also, could you add my one-page spreadsheet to yours ? I think it would be better than just having multiple ones around.
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Yup, yup. I'll add it Monday.

As for testing beta runewords, I tend to agree with Apom, BUT I also think that everybody on the team should test in the direction about which they feel most confident. We'll cover more ground that way, and everyone will feel like they're doing the best they can for the hunt. Personally, I wouldn't really know which runes to change in the beta words; seems like a shot in the dark to me. I prefer the 2os grids and the acronyms.

There IS a beta runeword tracking page in the spreadsheet, though, so ToughE, Sokar, or anyone else testing against beta words, please specify as such in your test results, and I'll track them there. Always be sure to check the master 3os+ testing page, too, to be sure whatever you're trying hasn't been tested.
 
I guess I can start helping with runs on the weekends. I have a weakly little level 47 Polearm/WW Barb. I started playing because I wanted something to do with my little bro, but he's had to stop playing because of school (apparently my college is easier than his high school. Eh.). So, add the name KneesMcgee to your list please. :) The only thing I care to get out of it is maybe a better polearm, so whoever I rush with can have all the runes.

Edit: Forgot to mention, softcore ladder USEast.
 
Anyone on East who needs socketed items, come to NM game jus2, pw tin. There's a bunch of stuff in Lut Gholein on the ground near the stash. I'll probably only be on for another hour.
 
About the Classic Rushers. . .

All,

I've been reading this thread since its first post, but I've only contributed about two times.

It seems to me that if we're going to get the sheer number of high-level runes required to do the testing we truly want to do, we're going to have to do something other than individually hunt for runes. So we're either talking mass cow runs in hell mode (which, since 1.10, I haven't been too good at (ouch)) or rushing people for hellforge runes. I know someone on here (at least two people, actually) has started a classic rusher, but they said they had gotten too busy to be able to help. I propose that the acct/password be made known to some people (I'll include myself for any spare time I've got (not much, just started engineering at college)) and we continue the rusher. At least this way, we could spread out the monotony of playing classic (no runes! Ahh, the anguish! :lol: ) over several sets of shoulders.

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