23 Runeword Search Thread

http://www.battle.net/forums/thread.aspx?fn=d2-uswest-ladder-trading&t=1550213&p=1&tmp=1#new1550213

my trade list on bnet forums. feel free to buy things, also, i have a small collection of decent items rotting on mules that i woudl like to give away or for a few pgems each. if you need items on my list i might take a little off for the fine people on here :p

the whole zod price thing. its VERY easy to get a zod on west. i got the zod and vex for my botd in a few minutes. i payed 2ist mal each, so 2.5ist, a little over what people normally want to buy them for(2.33ist), then the eth zerk axe took ages. anyway, cant be too hard to gather some high runes. at 2.5ist each its not THAT expensive.
 
Cherokee said:
ok folks, this is just a non-functional prototype screen (not hooked up to a database or anything), but give it a quick look and let me know what you think. Right now, this is just an example for a single item type's 2os grid.

It looks/works best in IE 5.5 or higher (gives you nice rune name highlighting to lessen the chances of clicking in the wrong box), but is also functional in Firefox. I haven't tried Opera, Konquerer, Netscape, Mozilla, or older IE browsers.

http://diablo2.homeip.net/diablo/table.cfm

Everyone, but most especially Wathombe - Please let me know if you think it's worth using an interface like this to store the tested combinations in a database.

EDIT - HOLY COW Smashin, thats some great testing! Maybe we will catch up to Andy after all...

EDIT AGAIN - Unfortunately, it looks like you re-tested Shael + Ral and Dol + Lum... whereas Ral + Shael and Lum + Dol still have yet to be tested.
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whoa thats neat. only problem would be someone going in and clicking a bunch of tests from anywhere. it could be messed up easily. (host is a tad slow too :p)
 
Ikeren said:
I am confused Cher0kee...could you please explain it to me?
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check off the box in the table of the test you did, you check the ones done then hit submit. when its hooked up it will keep track of tests.
 
Evilspork said:
whoa thats neat. only problem would be someone going in and clicking a bunch of tests from anywhere. it could be messed up easily. (host is a tad slow too :p)
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If we all seem to like the idea, and I finish it, it would require a login before you could use it... only trusted posters here would have access to update it, though anyone could view a "read-only" grid..

Host is a tad slow because it's running on a development server at my house, on a residential connection :) I'd move it to a real production server if we started using it.
 
Tests (failed):

El + Eld ....... circlet
Sol + Ith ....... crossbow
El + Tir ....... paladin shield
Thul + Eld ....... war scepter
Eld + Ith ....... necro head
Tal + Ith ....... maul
Thul + Eth ....... blade/knife


Cherokee: one problem i have with tthat is that it doesnt created a user friendly environment to look at 3os runewords, as an excel spreadsheet needs 726 different sheets for all the 3os possibilities. and since excel works very nicely with the 2os words, there is really no need for change (unless wathombe no longer wishes to do the spreadsheet)
would a series webpages that give you options (such as itemtype; then #of sockets; then a chart (or excel spreadsheet) of the runes such as we have currently for the 3os swords) be a feasible option for the 3+os runeword hunt, idk i am not a creator just a thinker (and player, woot)

Edit: also, if we do choose to use this for the 2os words, you will need to fix that you (maybe just me, doubt it) cant click on the very top row ( El + * )
 
It's extremely difficult to represent 3 dimensions on a computer monitor. I was thinking about having the exact same functionality for 3os+ combinations, but require the user to supply (x-2) runes, in whatever position they desire, before building the grid.

For example, if you want to check on Shael + Eth + blank + blank in 4os Swords, you would select the item type from a dropdown, then Shael, Eth, and leave the remaining rune dropdowns blank.... the system would then generate a regular 2 dimensional grid.

This is exactly what Wathombe is doing with the handful of 3os grids that are now on the spreadsheet, but sooner or later, it is going to become too cumbersome to try to manage dozens of additional grids.
 
Cherokee said:
It's extremely difficult to represent 3 dimensions on a computer monitor. I was thinking about having the exact same functionality for 3os+ combinations, but require the user to supply (x-2) runes, in whateverune dropdowns blank.... the system would then generate a regular 2 dimensional grid.
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ok, i see how this will work for the person entering what will be tested, but for the viewer: will there be like a menu leading up to the grids like i mentioned before?
 
Cherokee hopefully you understand this as I'm not that great at putting thoughts into words.

The test page looks great but i would have the upper row of runes stuck to the top of the page...(bleh have no clue on the correct words). The small problem i was having was scrolling down to the zod lvl or so the top row of runes you can't see. This isnt bashing your page at all, I think its very cool, just one thing i would maybe change to make it a bit more readable. Again hope you understood the mess i tried to type here.

-krucker-
 
Entering and viewing will work the same way. Choose an item type, and optionally, up to 4 runes in whatever position. You will then be presented with the 2-D grid, representing the 2 blank rune positions. If you are logged in, and have the rights, you can enter a tested combination. Otherwise, the grid is "read-only".

There may be a better way to handle 3+ os combinations, and I'm certainly interested to hear any ideas.

On a side note, it will be very easy to track who did the test, and when (actually, who did the data entry and when, but hopefully these will be the same). It might be interesting to compile some stats from the database -- number of runes used this week... number of combinations tested this week.... user who burned the most Ist+ runes this week/month/year... etc etc etc... and of course, percentage of all possible combinations tested to date. On second thought, maybe it's better not to display that last one. :)

EDIT: krucker -- Ahh, I'm at very high resolution, and didn't bother to check it at low res. Are you at 800x600? I can probably shrink it down to fit inside of an 800x600 window so scrolling isn't necessary. If not, maybe a mouseover of the little buttons can give you a tooltip (you know, those little yellow squares that pop up when you hold your mouse over something for a second).
 
Just so you know Cher0kee, I am using IE:Mac 5.1 and it seems to work fine, if a little sluggish (but you already addressed that). Now, assuming what I see is what I'm supposed to see (lol you never know), it's pretty good. Can't wait to see the final version.

Just checked in Netscape 7.02 and it displays correctly (in fact better) but for the lack of the yellow indicator bars. I only checked once so maybe it was a glitch in accessing the page.
 
Cherokee,
I like the idea. It would give the whole testing thing a more personal feel rather than just posting and handing all of the work to Wathombe.
 
Sry bout that cherokee your probably right. I am on many different computers so i'm not quite sure the the res was on the one i was on (computer lab in the hs). But it is still a valid suggestion for those who are in 800x600.

And spork if your willing to part with one of the tals armors ill offer umpul. For a fellow runeword tester (*wink wink)

-krucker-
 
Oops

"EDIT AGAIN - Unfortunately, it looks like you re-tested Shael + Ral and Dol + Lum... whereas Ral + Shael and Lum + Dol still have yet to be tested."

Looks like your right...I still had the dol lum, the other test I cleared out, but I am pretty sure I probably read the ss wrong...

I did not test the other 2, but I will later once I find more hel runes...those go fast when you are testing with them as well......
 
GeneralsOfMagic said:
i got an idea: what about War (Vex Amn Ral) (or since 2 V's is like a W then: Vex Vex Amn Ral
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It's extremely unlikely that WAR will work because that is the name of one of the runewords on the 07 list. That would be like trying:

Sol Tal Ort Nef El (Stone)
Dol Ort Ohm Mal (Doom)
Ber Lum Amn Cham Ko (Black)
Fal Um Ral Io (Fury)
Hel Ort Nef Ohm Ral (Honor)
Lum Eld Amn Fal (Leaf)
Lem Ort Ral El (Lore)
Mal Amn Lem Io Cham Eld (Malice)
Mal Eld Lum Ohm Dol Io (Melody)
Mal Eld Mal Ort Ral Io (Memory)
Nef Amn Dol Io Ral (Nadir)
Ral Hel Io Mal El (Rhyme)
Shael Mal Ohm Ko Eld (Smoke)
Shael Tir El Eld Lem (Steel)
Vex Eld Nef Ort Mal (Venom)
Vex El Amn Lum Tir Hel (Wealth)
Vex Hel Io Thul Eld (White)
Dol Um Ral El Sol Shael (Duress)
Vex Io Nef Dol (Wind)
Ber Eld Amn Sol Tir (Beast)
Cham Hel Amn Ort Sol (Chaos)
El Nef Io Gul Mal Amn (Enigma)
Fal Amn Mal Io Nef Eld (Famine)
Gul Lum Ort Ohm Mal (Gloom)
Eld Zod Io Lem El or El Gul Sol Io Lem Eld (Exile)
 
Omg, ya'll still haven't found a new runeword?! These had better be some cool runes; I mean it's been quite awhile since I quit playing and blizz had announced them then. Wow, just really suprised no one has at least gotten lucky with one of them, not a cool way to introduce new content lol

Sharp-Bow
 
smashin234 said:
"EDIT AGAIN - Unfortunately, it looks like you re-tested Shael + Ral and Dol + Lum... whereas Ral + Shael and Lum + Dol still have yet to be tested."

Looks like your right...I still had the dol lum, the other test I cleared out, but I am pretty sure I probably read the ss wrong...

I did not test the other 2, but I will later once I find more hel runes...those go fast when you are testing with them as well......
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Smashin u on west or east? We got some on the communal accnt that may help u out.

-kurcker-
 
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