superdave
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Tip O'Neil? Was it a paint by number? This guy just got a bye into the final bracket of the 2021 Darwin Awards.
US Protests - How do you think it's going to end
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Huh? Is it a comparison if I explain why you cannot compare the two? Democracy means decision-making by plebiscites, a republic is an application of democracy. If the first is like an axe, the other is like wood chopping. You can probably make comparisons about the two, like by counting the number of letters, but that would totally miss the point.
Yes. With other words, the US is a republic. That alone doesn't mean much though. You also need separation of power and it has to grant certain human rights to make it a constitutional country. And yes, it has to work well to a certain extent to be worth living in.
OK, so we probably have just a misunderstanding here. Perhaps I should have said "democracy" instead of "a democracy".
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Oh, I didn't know he was that explicite, but he didn't tell them to apply violence or storm the Capitol. It seems he isn't always as dumb as he sometimes appeared.
I don't mean to support Trump in any way, I'm still learning what has happened and I tried to view the issue from a juristic point while being a juristic noob.
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-and when people were calling on him to get on live TV and tell said mob to disburse and go home. He did not for a long time, and finally when he did, even though he did tell them to go home, he twisted words.
Trump Tells Capitol Rioters to ‘Go Home’ But Repeatedly Pushes False Claim That Election Was Stolen – NBC Chicago
Trump Tells Capitol Rioters to ‘Go Home’ But Repeatedly Pushes False Claim That Election Was Stolen – NBC Chicago
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Now do insurrection and coup.
He speaks like a mob boss. The underlings know what he wants.
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Right. Just like if say, Pelosi doesn't say the words "Black lives matter", then Minneapolis wouldn't have burned to the ground.
That statement by Trump is not telling people to invade the capital building. He's organizing his supporters to peaceably protest and show their support for the cause they believe in. Something which every politician in history, left and right, has ever done and continues to do each and every day. If you disagree and believe that he was using the mythical "dog whistle" to say "lets destroy congress", then the Democrats are 100% responsible for each and every destroyed building during the protests that took place over the last year. And in their case there are several examples where some of them did in fact outright encourage violence and rioting.
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Yeah, Trump does a pretty good job of making people think he's dumber than he is. Not that he's anything close to a genius mind you. Or that he really needs to do anything to accomplish that since the media will do it for anyone for free as long as they put an 'R' next to their name on the ballot. But yea, he's a lot smarter than the woke mob gives him credit for.
I wasn't really a Trump supporter either by the way. Still don't like the idea that he was our president. But two things keep driving me to it. First, the fact that he actually kept all his campaign promises, even if some of them ended up being more on the symbolic side. Honestly, how many politicians can you think of that pulled that off? Especially when they run as Republicans. And second, seeing the absolutely despicable and reprehensible treatment he's received from the democrats, the news media, and the social media giants. The outrageous lies and manipulation that the political left has displayed to disparage him over the past four years is a complete disgrace and it is appalling to me to see that happen right here in a nation that used to be the bastion of freedom, tolerance and equality. Even someone like Joe "Groper" Biden doesn't deserve that.
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Your point would be valid only if Pelosi said "let's go loot the Target at the Nicollet Mall" to members of BLM.(although I don't think there were many card carrying members of BLM burning buildings down.)
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Yes, I remember when I asked you 4 years ago whether Trump is terrible and you said yes. I wouldn't give him too much credit for "keeping his promises", however. I don't remember who said "Great men aren't known for keeping their promises" or something like that.
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You are full of shit. Broken Promises.....
Repeal Obamacare
Release his tax returns
Build a wall and make Mexico pay for it
Place a lifetime ban on lobbyist raising $ for American elections.
Create a Health Savings Account
Create an Infrastructure Fund
Bring back manufacturing
Make no cuts to medicaid
Grow the economy by 4% per year
Guarantee 6 weeks paid leave
Appoint a special prosecutor to investigate Hillary Clinton
Get Congress to allow heath insurance across state lines
Renegotiate the Iran deal
Bring back waterboarding
Add additional federal investment of 20 billion $ to School Choice
Change the vaccination schedule for schoolchildren
Adopt the penny plan
Expand national right to carry to all 50 states
Cancel all funding to Sanctuary Cities
Dramatically scale back the UD Education Dept
Eliminate common core
Remove all undocumented immigrants
Eliminate gun free zones at all schools and military bases
Stop the At&T/Time Warner merger
Triple ICE enforcement
Eliminate wasteful spending in all departments
Reverse China's entry into the WTO
End birthright citizenship
Enact a 5 year ban on White House and Congressional officials from lobbying
Impose a hiring freeze on federal employees
Have mandatory minimum sentences on criminals re-entering the US illegally
Impose death penalty for cop killers
Establish a commission on radical Islam
Replace J-1 Visa with Inner City Resume Bank
Increase the size of the military to 540000 active duty soldiers
Increase Visa fees
Build a safe zone for Syrian refugees
Eliminate the federal debt in 8 years
Administer Medicaid through block grants
Allow individuals to deduct health care insurance payments from taxes
Enact term limits
Change the name of Mt Denali back to Mt McKinley
Balance the federal budget fairly quickly
Remove existing Syrian refugees
Establish a ban on all Muslim entering the US
Create targeted child tax care credits
Eliminate the carried interest loophole
Repeal the Alternative Minimum Tax
Cut the number of tax brackets
Sue his accusers of sexual misconduct
and my favourite.....
Won't play Golf... Trump played golf on 237 days of 1449 of his presidency. Works out to a game of golf every what? 6 days?
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This one is not an Onion article either....
Rosanne Boyland was trampled to death when she fell as police pushed MAGAs back. Scroll down for the Mega Ironic pic of the woman carrying a Gadsden flag.
DON'T TREAD ON ME! Flag you had on job.
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Well, it's not like I'm really giving him a whole lot of credit for it. Like I said, many of them ended up being more symbolic than functional. It's more that everyone else never does. Like if you work at the cafe next to a gym and every single day you see people promise to eat healthy right before they come to you and order three slices of pecan pie or something. Then one day, some fat guy walks in saying the same thing everyone else does, but then he orders something like a single fruit crepe. It's such a shock that he didn't order the pie that it kind of doesn't matter that he still ordered a desert. (I don't know how many calories are actually in those, I'm just trying to illustrate the point.)
So something like building a physical wall on the southern border. Yeah, he fell way short of getting it all the way across, but he did manage to get some sections built. Then there's others that he was more successful on, like brokering an actual peace agreement in the Middle East. Something that Biden openly plans to unravel and plunge that region right back into the turmoil it was in before Trump took office, which is one promise that I expect he will keep.
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Didn't he move the US embassy to Jerusalem? Wasn't that a big taboo thing, depending on who you are?
I know Obama met with Netanyahu for some type of agreement that I think ended up being off the table because of Trump... I could very well be wrong and my historical knowledge about Israel is very little.
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Yes, he did, and it was a huge positive. For decades several presidents, republican and democrat, promised to move the embassy and then failed to do so because the people in the background (advisors, state department desk jockeys, certain legislators, etc.) would tell them to just keep doing the same failed policies that every other president has done on the subject. "We don't want to piss off those people throwing rockets at Israel every single day, so just do as they say and don't move the embassy or acknowledge that the Jews may have any kind of claim to Jerusalem."
Obama, Bush, Clinton, I don't remember how much further back it goes, but Trump was the only one to have backbone enough to ask "Why is Israel the only nation on Earth not allowed to decide where their capital is? Why are we sticking to foreign polices that are proven time and time again to not work and cause more conflict and strife?" So he moved the embassy. And then later he brokered a historic peace agreement between Israel and, I think it was Jorden, but I don't remember which one for sure. That led to some other hostile nations following suit and saying they wanted in on it too. Not surprised if you never heard about it. It's an entirely different kind of agreement from the Iran nuclear deal Obama (who got a Nobel just for being elected) made, which consisted of "We'll give you billions of dollars if you pinky swear that you won't develop nuclear weapons."
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Yes, that would have made the intent of your post more clear, thank you.
I'm sorry, but are you implying that the US is lacking these things? Because I can assure you, that's what President/Congress/Supreme Court is, separation of power (aka Checks and Balances). Also pretty sure we have Basic Human Rights covered, if by Basic Human Rights you mean freedoms a person would have if no governing body or social contract existed (Right to Free Speech (1st Amendment to the US Constituion), Right to Self-Defense (2nd), Right to Worship as You Choose (1st), etc. (list goes up to 33 Amendments, currently, 27 of which deal explicitly with individual Rights). Helpful link (no, I don't expect you to read it all, but a quick scan will show what I'm speaking of). I'll also note that one side of the duopoly of political parties in the US is pretty constantly attacking those liberties, because they don't like how some citizens choose to use them... guess they don't realize (or just don't care) that if they are altered too far, we ALL lose them, entirely.
As for a place worth living in... that is open to interpretation, and really more opinion than definitive fact. I'll let others vent opinion, I'm much more interested in facts.
Agreed. That is why I find myself woefully often 'defending' (very loose usage of the term) him in discussions much like this one (which I haven't had to do thus far here (thank Cthulu)).
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Great, now list how many of those he tried to make a move toward, and was summarily blocked by legislators, some of whom have the same stated goals, who refused to work with him based solely on the fact of who he is.... oh wait, guess you already did.
Does that count as defending him? Damn you, David!
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For the first 2 years of his administration, he had the house and the senate.Great, now list how many of those he tried to make a move toward, and was summarily blocked by legislators, some of whom have the same stated goals, who refused to work with him based solely on the fact of who he is.... oh wait, guess you already did.
Does that count as defending him? Damn you, David!
There were no blocks in place. Are you telling me that in 2 years, he couldn't pass any of the above or did he choose not to because they were promises given just to get him elected and he had No intention of fulfilling?
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If somebody knows doesn't know whether he can keep a promise, but promises it anyway, then he's lying. It's not an excuse to say that others prevented it. Just trying is not enough. I'm not saying that he's worse than others with respect to promises though. Perhaps he was even better. I don't know), but the quota of of kept promiese is one thing while the kind of them is another.
Edit: Stupid error corrected.
Edit: Stupid error corrected.
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