Okay ... did the game seriously just spend an entire day talking about what to do about the private convos? Any publicly agreed strategy will be useless for the town since scum will by default know what is going on. Use or don't use the thing as you see fit. Mass claiming pairs sounds like the worst idea I've ever heard of.
Also, I tried to engage my partner in conversation, but the mod went and answered my question aimed at my partner. I had a clever plan to try and feel out my partner and BPC just had to step in and answer the question and rob me of my read. Gah!
Also... I think the implication, Pharphis, is that the game might as well start with your name in the dead list since you're likely to die quickly?
The game spent the first day talking about whether or not we should reveal partners, not what to do about the qt's. Very very different topics.
That sounds very un-Sathoris to me.
Scum already know which people they have an influence on from their pairings (or will know tonight when they have their chat). So from the start the town is at a disadvantage. For the first couple nights they will be able to kill whatever townie they don't have a seat with effectively breaking possible mason teams from the start.
Mason teams can only actually form by having confirmed town on both sides. Having both people in a pair be completely confirmed is likely only through investigation and if pairs are unknown how likely is that to happen before it becomes irrelevant?
I assume if we follow normal process that mass claim would happen somewhere around day 3 and the first couple night kills are usually pretty random, so regardless if we claimed table partners or not, they could break most possible mason situations with ease before then and we wouldn't even know it.
Therefore I am currently in favor of sharing table partners, if not today, then tomorrow.
If we share partners ever, I think the only appropriate time's to share are today or tomorrow, and only if it's universal. Otherwise we actually lose all the advantage gained by the mass claim. Scum partner shot tonight, and then tomorrow night, and then those two can claim to be partners in the future, and that play seems to be the only one us sharing partners prevents.
If there is a cop in this game, we're going to have pretty close to a mason team after tonight most likely(yes, yes, I know that it's not a mason pair unless mod confirmed on both sides, but just the potential ability of a cop to freely investigate while someone else takes the heat that comes from presenting results elevates the power level to that of a mason pairing imo)...or we could have a guilty result on scum, which is just as good. If both halves of a confirmed town pair become known, that confirmed pair is unlikely to last long, removing all the utility from said pair.
These arguments I'm hearing in favor of revealing partners all rely on the nebulous idea that town knowing who everyone is partnered with will in some way benefit town. I just don't see that benefit.
Also, the last time this mechanic was in play we were all serial killers. Our arguments were coming from a very different place. We were attempting to sound town, while only having our own interests in mind. With that said, I'm fairly certain most of us actually wanted all the pairs to be known, for the same reasons scum would like all pairs to be known. It levels the playing field information wise, and prevents lies, sure...but town can't leverage that information in any meaningful way(unless scum are simply terrible and kill in an extremely predictable fashion based on pairings) and scum CAN. Decreasing the overall gap in knowledge between both sides while being unable to take advantage of said information, while simultaneously increasing the utility of the scum team, simply seems terrible.
Vote: Bad Ash
For engaging in the conversation about qt's, without actually giving an opinion on the only important part of said conversation.
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