Final Fantasy Forum Mafia Game Thread

[Goryani]

Moar's shot, like Drixx's, came way too fast. I would have liked Drixx to answer some of the questions he was posed. I'd like to see Drixx pressured to give up BPC's job if only to see who would do so. I'd like a chance to ask Drixx some questions about his claim, if only to see Moar's non-lethal reactions, since they claim the same job.

For the moment, I think Moar is being honest. I speculate at least one black mage is mafia. I don't think two would be on the same mafia team. Should there be a setup with multiple anti-town factions, it's possible more than one is mafia if they are on separate sides.

Also, I can believe Moar pulling the trigger, pardon the pun, as soon as she saw something she thought was "too scummy." I don't like it, but I can believe it.

 

[Goryani]

I was correct. Dalmas, Anti-Town, 1 shot Fire and 1 shot Ice.

We're you told Drixx has 1 shot fire and 1 shot ice or did you infer it from the job?

 

[Goryani]

And you somehow knew that there could not be two black mages? Bull ****! You're also mafia!

Drixx was mafia you say?

 

[Jcakes1]

I leave you kids alone for a day and all hell breaks loose! (side note: I don't think I've been in a game with a daykill mechanic (that was used anyway), so bear with me if I sound dumb or naive.)

Well, wtf Drixx?! (I know he can't respond, it's a rhetorical question. ) That was out of the blue. No discussion, nothing. That just feels really wrong. As I was reading along catching up, I was like "wow, that's scummy as hell." but then, Moar, wtf?! Again, bam out of the blue. Seemed scummy as hell. Maybe it's my lack of experience with it, but I would expect a little more deliberation in either case.

Looking at the whole thing a bit more objectively, it does make sense that there wouldn't be 2 Black Mages on the same team (assuming Moar truly is a Black Mage), so I can see what Coju is saying. I've never been there, but I could see myself having a similar reaction. Trying to put myself in that spot, I can't say what I would have done, but that could have been one of the options.

However there are 2 main things that bug me about Moar's actions.

1.) It would be easy for her to claim identical powers even if she doesn't have them because she got Drixx's flip. Which leads me to:

2.) Putting my lore hat on, Ice is an attack spell, it's basically the exact same thing as Fire, just a different element. My natural inclination would be Ice as a second kill shot. The Ice spell doesn't really have a history of doing other things besides great bodily harm. That said, it *is* an additional power. Why not 2 Fire shots or 1 Fire and 1 Lightning? I can't read the minds of mods, so I don't know what kind of executive decisions they may have made, but I suppose it's possible they did give the Black Mage an additional different ability to go along with the daykill. As a game mechanic, I guess that sounds reasonable, but it's a design leap. Of the 3 basic attack spells, Ice is kinda the odd logical odd one out.

Also, Numbers is totally spot on. IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN FLARE!! :alright:

As far as lore goes I cannot comment, but in other games that we've had "ice abilities" they have often been roleblocker variants.

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I see fireworks.

I think both shots came too fast. The difference between Drixx's and Moar's shots: I thought Drixx was scummy before he fired and without question scummy after the shot. Egotistical it may be, but I'm leaning toward believing Moar based on that read. That may need to be rethought if we see evidence of more threats than a single mafia faction.

I think the day kill was used as intended by the mods. To stop someone from performing another day action or to stop someone from making further claims is a powerful tool. Day actions are rare. Investigative roles are not.

The instant death day kill mechanic looks like it was made to stop information from coming forward. In my opinion, that's how Drixx used it. Whether BPC did or didn't have an informatinoal role with information, BPC was dropping hints he had some juju against Drixx.

If a mafioso fears a guilty cop claim and you can do something about it.... might as well do that something. Drixx is much more likely to escape lynch by immediately silencing BPC. Town-Drixx doesn't fear being outed by an informational role and would wait to use a 1x day vig shot in the hopes of finding even more scum.

Drixx's silence about BPC's role is telling. Drixx said BPC was town. Well durka dur. No job was listed. No abilities were listed. In post 223, Drixx said he'd share the flip "unless there's some reason not to." Later, Drixx said he didn't know what the job was. That doesn't count as a reason not to share. Saying something like "BPC was a doc/cop/busdriver/etc gives mafia concrete information but "BPC was a (picking randomly...) bard" does not. It's safer to tell mafia the unspecific version than the specific one. It's possible Drixx was waiting for reads, but the likelihood of mafia knowing town-BPC's sekret infoz is next to nil, so that argument doesn't stand up very well. I've used the argument in post 246 as mafia before. I think (but not positive) Drixx saw through it.

I agree with most of this. I do think Moar should have waited and tried to get Drixx lynched, but I can understand why she pulled the trigger so fast. The biggest issue for me is I see scum Moar performing the exact same move.

A couple more things:

Goldtru, you went after Drixx pretty readily, then came back off of him very easily. Reading through it again, it feels a little too easy/chummy/suspicious.

Gory, Moar says she jailed you last night. Any comments about that or is it news to you?

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Also, we have some major lurkers here! Have Leo or Noodle posted yet today?

The other thing that struck me as Odd is she seemed much more upset about Drixx being killed then BPC.

 

[Goryani]

That's a pretty lame reason to vote for me BPC. Your posts yesterday combined with that have led me to one inexorable conclusion:

I was going to post that I didn't believe that BPC's posts about drixx were serious either.

Quoting Jcakes because his quoting of Drixx showed me something else I didn't see earlier. Drixx neglected to mention anything about BPC's posts today. Didn't want others to dwell upon them?

 

[Goryani]

@G what say you?

Gory, Moar says she jailed you last night. Any comments about that or is it news to you?

If I answer one way, everyone will know I have an ability which will notify me or drop hints if I am roleblocked. If I answer another way, everyone will know I have an ability but doesn't notify me or drop hints if I am roleblocked. If I answer yet another way, everyone will know I don't have an ability to be roleblocked. Or there could be something completely different.

So I won't answer. Feel free to read my previous posts for my thoughts regarding Moar.

 

[Goryani]

Vote: Bad Ash

It felt right yesterday. It feels righter today.

The idea that it's better for town to keep WIFOM in the game by NOT following up with a claim is mind-boggling to me (post 54). BA wasn't particularly interested in learning Zokar's alignment. BA voted me toward the end of the day and I can't help but notice that BA's vote made it a tie (in direct opposition to the reason I refused to vote for BPC in that mini-game long ago). In other words, his vote made him not the default favorite for a D1 lynch. Contrast that with BA's reasons for voting me: so we may learn something about BPC and Gwaihir.

 

[Bad Ash]

If I answer one way, everyone will know I have an ability which will notify me or drop hints if I am roleblocked. If I answer another way, everyone will know I have an ability but doesn't notify me or drop hints if I am roleblocked. If I answer yet another way, everyone will know I don't have an ability to be roleblocked. Or there could be something completely different.

So I won't answer. Feel free to read my previous posts for my thoughts regarding Moar.

If I was wearing a hat, I'd give it to you to eat because this is EXACTLY why I was on BPC on day 1. Does that mean I am town and JCakes is scum? No, not at all, but I challenge you to answer this: If this was day 1 with no night you'd probably have a different feeling of Jcakes than you do now.

In terms of Moar vs. Drixx and BPC based off of what we know I have no idea what to believe. As discussed day vig's have been more likely town than not, but that doesn't mean they get a free pass by any means. I agree that both acted too quickly and I don't think if I was in their shoes I would have pulled the trigger as quickly as they did. I have seen Moar act more emotionally than Drixx and I am more surprised that Drixx acted quickly than Moar, but that by no means gives Moar a free pass. I also agree Gold's actions are interesting.

 

[Bad Ash]

Vote: Bad Ash

It felt right yesterday. It feels righter today.

The idea that it's better for town to keep WIFOM in the game by NOT following up with a claim is mind-boggling to me (post 54). BA wasn't particularly interested in learning Zokar's alignment. BA voted me toward the end of the day and I can't help but notice that BA's vote made it a tie (in direct opposition to the reason I refused to vote for BPC in that mini-game long ago). In other words, his vote made him not the default favorite for a D1 lynch. Contrast that with BA's reasons for voting me: so we may learn something about BPC and Gwaihir.

For the record, I am town and voted you with no intention of you being lynched, but for the exact reason you said, to make it not an obvious default lynch. I believed yesterday that your lynch would provide information on BPC and possibly Gwaihir and obviously that is not the case today. In terms of yesterday you are 100% correct. Would you prefer that I let myself become the default lynch and eventually end up claiming to avoid a no lynch, or to make it even and add more WIFOM on every aspect? Your vote now, based off of questions asked and actions we've seen today are very hypocritcal.

 

[Technomancer]

As far as lore goes I cannot comment, but in other games that we've had "ice abilities" they have often been roleblocker variants.

I wasn't really aware of that, but it does make logical sense, that's why I speculated. That seems to make it a little more believable.

The other thing that struck me as Odd is she seemed much more upset about Drixx being killed then BPC.

Hmm, yeah, she was more gung-ho against Moar than Drixx, wasn't she? Given the drama of the whole thing when I first read through, it didn't stand out to me as much.

Quoting Jcakes because his quoting of Drixx showed me something else I didn't see earlier. Drixx neglected to mention anything about BPC's posts today. Didn't want others to dwell upon them?

Interesting takeaway. Well, looking back through, the only thing BPC said that stuck out to me was #209 where he mentioned mafia Drixx kissing CG's butt. I guess he was referring to #190? I didn't really read that as kissing butt, but I guess it could be? Besides that, it just looked like a vote for Drixx and a bunch of jibber-jabber. Anything else stand out to you? You think connecting Drixx to CG could have played a part?

 

[Technomancer]

If I answer one way, everyone will know I have an ability which will notify me or drop hints if I am roleblocked. If I answer another way, everyone will know I have an ability but doesn't notify me or drop hints if I am roleblocked. If I answer yet another way, everyone will know I don't have an ability to be roleblocked. Or there could be something completely different.

So I won't answer. Feel free to read my previous posts for my thoughts regarding Moar.

Fair enough. I actually kind of realized this after I had posted the question and didn't expect an answer.

 

[Technomancer]

The more I read the less I understand and the more I get confused... Any tips for the newbie? xD

Umm, welcome to the club? This is becoming quite a mess.

Just hang in there, we'll sort this all out... eventually! What I try to do when in doubt is follow my gut. If someone says things that don't add up or they say them in a way that feels suspicious, follow that instinct. It might not always be right, but it will help move things forward. :thumbsup:

 

[Moar]

@ Gory
1x shot was in the flip message.

We are having our monthly card game today at our place. Guests arrive at 2pm which means that I will not be able to be online after that. Bad timing, but RL always trumps forum mafia.

 

[Technomancer]

(Disclaimer: This is a theory of mine based on unconfirmed info, but it makes some sense to me and I'm just putting it out there.)

On the lore side of things, Numbers sparked an additional thought with me. If there are 2 Black Mages (1 town, 1 mafia) and their abilities are basic spells (like *not* Flare!!), it plays into the "student-level" theme well. It makes it look like multiple (more basic) jobs are probably being used instead of really using up the entire jobs list, and probably just low level abilities from most of those jobs. This makes me think that at least the majority of people are probably Squires, Mages, Knights, etc. and probably not so much Calculators, Samurais, and Summoners. That said, I will be disappoint if there are no Ninjas. Or Bards. I :heart: me some spoony Bards!

From my list (#212), this theory would put most jobs present in game in the upper-third to upper-half of each category.

 

[Vorle]

Umm, welcome to the club? This is becoming quite a mess.

Just hang in there, we'll sort this all out... eventually! What I try to do when in doubt is follow my gut. If someone says things that don't add up or they say them in a way that feels suspicious, follow that instinct. It might not always be right, but it will help move things forward. :thumbsup:

Thanks
I trust my gut, and it's mostly right. The problem is I don't have one at the moment xD

 

[Goldtru1]

Some explanation: I was shocked by Drixx shooting BPC, and my knee jerk reaction was to immediately call scum. Then upon reflection I changed my mind, because it seemed like such a dumb way to strap a target onto his back. Therefore, my gut (which I'll admit is often wrong) said that BPC and Drixx were both town, ergo Moar was/is scum. Then I started having some fun with it by quoting Shakespeare and Tolkien and Archer, and that always gets me into trouble.

 

[Vorle]

I'm a squire. Quack. Quack. Quack.
Shoot me not for food I am not.

||I'm allowed to say "I'm a squire," right? Otherwise, I can't edit this post and get a sanction, maybe?

Vote: Drixx
That's what I got from the convos so far.

 

[Vorle]

Also, this games is a lot like The Wolf Game we play in school.

There's a narrator, a village elder, and a wolf.

The game starts at a night phase and everyone closes their eyes (except the narrator's, unless he says so; anyone who violates this rule is automatically dead) where the narrator chooses a wolf FIRST (the narrator announces this) then chooses the village elder (and also this). The narrator then asks the wolf to point out who he wants to kill. N (narrator) then asks the VE (village elder) to open his eyes and asks who VE thinks is the wolf. If VE is right, N will say yes, otherwise, N will say no.

The day phase then starts and everyone opens their eyes. N announces who has been killed and the dead tell no tales to the living.
Everyone then agrees (or in our case, argues) and votes who is the wolf. The wolf is given the chance to explain and defend himself but usually, he ends up getting killed anyway (lol).

If the killed is not the wolf, N states "You have just killed an innocent villager/man/woman/*insert something here*." If, however the one killed IS the wolf, N announces this and the game ends and the village wins.

If (you can see there are a lot of conditional st8ments here) an innocent was killed, the night phase starts again and everyone closes their eyes except for the dead. The dead can see what's happening but cannot say anything. Well they CAN, but may not.

Notes:
Anyone can claim he is the VE. I had one game where 3 people claimed they were the VE but usually, no one claims he is the VE and I don't know why.

When there are 3 players left in the game, it ends.

 

[logoutzero]

Congrats Vorle, you figured out how forum mafia works

(I take it you didn't read the mafia wiki link provided in the first post of the signup thread?)

 

[AnnualAntAnswers]

Vote: Drixx.

What was that spell all about? Very pre-emptive.