IWantToUseNumbersInMyName
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To clarify this statement btw, because it's not certain: There are now too many possibilities for me to speak with any certainty on moars likely thoughts, given what we know.
Final Fantasy Forum Mafia Game Thread
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To clarify this statement btw, because it's not certain: There are now too many possibilities for me to speak with any certainty on moars likely thoughts, given what we know.
crawlingdeadman1
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I second this. I for one go back many times to the start of days.
logoutzero
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WoQs incoming. Sorry I have been not very active, I've had some inconvenient power outages.
I was going to post that I didn't believe that BPC's posts about drixx were serious either.
Agreed
I think I am Moar inclined to believe Moar than Drixx, but it is a hard one ....
I agree with the second part, it would make sense to wait a bit to see what Drixx had to say (and see people reactions). That said shooting first and asking questions later is very Moar
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thanks
As for my thoughts, I am a little concerned about Gold. She instantly voted Drixx and there was 'convinced' that he was town and unvoted. Now she seems rather upset that Moar shot Drixx. Not sure what to make of this. The big problem I have is there is no way to prove Moars claim either way, I could see her making the exact same play regardless of whether she is town or mafia.
I was going to post that I didn't believe that BPC's posts about drixx were serious either.
Agreed
I think I am Moar inclined to believe Moar than Drixx, but it is a hard one ....
I agree with the second part, it would make sense to wait a bit to see what Drixx had to say (and see people reactions). That said shooting first and asking questions later is very Moar
.thanks
As for my thoughts, I am a little concerned about Gold. She instantly voted Drixx and there was 'convinced' that he was town and unvoted. Now she seems rather upset that Moar shot Drixx. Not sure what to make of this. The big problem I have is there is no way to prove Moars claim either way, I could see her making the exact same play regardless of whether she is town or mafia.
coju
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(reasonable reaction when someone claims your role.)
You two... wow. Drixx when he claims Black Mage. Then unvote. Moar when she kills claimed black mage whilst claiming black mage. Vote moar. (note the nonboldness, mods
) Now, you think moar is scum because of her hasteness to disclaim drixx?What if? I've thought this also, but her reaction to drixx's claim is, to me, a town reaction. Even showing us that she is a black mage by using the power.
So, are you saying that a jailer role has a killing power as well? Freeze/jail/silence...
What if moar went about this going, "I know drixx isn't a black mage / I know drixx is scum. Let's vote him." Then he pops anti-town? Would this change anything?
Apparently, only drixx and moar got the actual flips. They both could be lying. BPC could be scum (although, why would scum lie about that anyhow?), drixx could be town, moar could be scum. We, as a whole, really don't know anything about this entire situation except two players are dead.
I suggest we continue hunting and not focus on what just happened, as this will only stall progress. IMO lynching moar isn't a good thing; as I'll reiterate: who wouldn't react the same way she did when your role is claimed?
Thanks, sir, I was in a meeting
This thread has so much wifom it's unbelievable. Drixx didn't ring scum to me, but if they were both indeed Black Mages (no way to know for sure atm) then it makes sense Moar would fry him so that he would have not fried her. Also, neutral Black Mages seems a bit unlikely to me, considering the games and themes, but that's another topic.
About the day starts link, I strongly recommend everyone to make use of their personal QT as your notepad of sorts. I have a link to the game there (to save a bookmark hehe) and will put after a bit links to things I found suspicious about the forum thread. While it's only slightly plausible, I think there could be a role that is able to receive info from the threads.
About the day starts link, I strongly recommend everyone to make use of their personal QT as your notepad of sorts. I have a link to the game there (to save a bookmark hehe) and will put after a bit links to things I found suspicious about the forum thread. While it's only slightly plausible, I think there could be a role that is able to receive info from the threads.
Well, yes... because him flipping anti-town implies that her argument was persuasive enough (though potentially not valid) to get the majority of players to lynch him. There was no discussion... she had a plan and executed it and she not only took a player out whose alignment she may or may not be lying about, she also prevented us from gaining some answers just as drixx did when he shot his load all over the place!
me. if somebody else claims my role i would not be surprised at all.
So, to you... why do you think her reaction is reasonable? Do you think the same of Drixx? Why or why not?
If she really is a Black Mage and they really are the same, then she would probably also know that he only had 1 shot and would not be worried.
Of course, she could not be a BM and could be a sort of neutral mimic and is using his kill flip and this "omg you has my rollz!" crap as a cover to look town...
Once again, my reasoning. Drixx shot BPC who I think was our cop, claiming town black mage. I know I am town black mage and I also know that I cannot outtalk Drixx. He makes you think blue is yellow, while I insist that blue is blue. So instead of letting him go persuade all of you that blue is yellow, I used my ability. Blue is still blue for me.
At this point i'm confused... are you defending yourself or explaining how you're color blind? Drixx can talk all he wants (well, if he wasn't dead *cough*). Why do you think you should dictate otherwise? I for one would like to have heard much more conversation and much less blowing **** up, but you seem to have issues with colors so.... idk!
coju
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I'm not sure why drixx DK's that guy, if that's what you are asking. Why.. That is a tough question to answer. I've sat here 3 minute trying to figure out why her reaction is reasonable so far... It gets rid of a threat. It gets rid of "drixx trying to woo the town" with his "words".
Technomancer
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I leave you kids alone for a day and all hell breaks loose! (side note: I don't think I've been in a game with a daykill mechanic (that was used anyway), so bear with me if I sound dumb or naive.)
Well, wtf Drixx?! (I know he can't respond, it's a rhetorical question.) That was out of the blue. No discussion, nothing. That just feels really wrong. As I was reading along catching up, I was like "wow, that's scummy as hell." but then, Moar, wtf?! Again, bam out of the blue. Seemed scummy as hell. Maybe it's my lack of experience with it, but I would expect a little more deliberation in either case.
Looking at the whole thing a bit more objectively, it does make sense that there wouldn't be 2 Black Mages on the same team (assuming Moar truly is a Black Mage), so I can see what Coju is saying. I've never been there, but I could see myself having a similar reaction. Trying to put myself in that spot, I can't say what I would have done, but that could have been one of the options.
However there are 2 main things that bug me about Moar's actions.
1.) It would be easy for her to claim identical powers even if she doesn't have them because she got Drixx's flip. Which leads me to:
2.) Putting my lore hat on, Ice is an attack spell, it's basically the exact same thing as Fire, just a different element. My natural inclination would be Ice as a second kill shot. The Ice spell doesn't really have a history of doing other things besides great bodily harm. That said, it *is* an additional power. Why not 2 Fire shots or 1 Fire and 1 Lightning? I can't read the minds of mods, so I don't know what kind of executive decisions they may have made, but I suppose it's possible they did give the Black Mage an additional different ability to go along with the daykill. As a game mechanic, I guess that sounds reasonable, but it's a design leap. Of the 3 basic attack spells, Ice is kinda the odd logical odd one out.
Also, Numbers is totally spot on. IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN FLARE!! :alright:
Well, wtf Drixx?! (I know he can't respond, it's a rhetorical question.
) That was out of the blue. No discussion, nothing. That just feels really wrong. As I was reading along catching up, I was like "wow, that's scummy as hell." but then, Moar, wtf?! Again, bam out of the blue. Seemed scummy as hell. Maybe it's my lack of experience with it, but I would expect a little more deliberation in either case.Looking at the whole thing a bit more objectively, it does make sense that there wouldn't be 2 Black Mages on the same team (assuming Moar truly is a Black Mage), so I can see what Coju is saying. I've never been there, but I could see myself having a similar reaction. Trying to put myself in that spot, I can't say what I would have done, but that could have been one of the options.
However there are 2 main things that bug me about Moar's actions.
1.) It would be easy for her to claim identical powers even if she doesn't have them because she got Drixx's flip. Which leads me to:
2.) Putting my lore hat on, Ice is an attack spell, it's basically the exact same thing as Fire, just a different element. My natural inclination would be Ice as a second kill shot. The Ice spell doesn't really have a history of doing other things besides great bodily harm. That said, it *is* an additional power. Why not 2 Fire shots or 1 Fire and 1 Lightning? I can't read the minds of mods, so I don't know what kind of executive decisions they may have made, but I suppose it's possible they did give the Black Mage an additional different ability to go along with the daykill. As a game mechanic, I guess that sounds reasonable, but it's a design leap. Of the 3 basic attack spells, Ice is kinda the odd logical odd one out.
Also, Numbers is totally spot on. IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN FLARE!! :alright:
Technomancer
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A couple more things:
Goldtru, you went after Drixx pretty readily, then came back off of him very easily. Reading through it again, it feels a little too easy/chummy/suspicious.
Gory, Moar says she jailed you last night. Any comments about that or is it news to you?
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Also, we have some major lurkers here! Have Leo or Noodle posted yet today?
Goldtru, you went after Drixx pretty readily, then came back off of him very easily. Reading through it again, it feels a little too easy/chummy/suspicious.
Gory, Moar says she jailed you last night. Any comments about that or is it news to you?
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Also, we have some major lurkers here! Have Leo or Noodle posted yet today?
Technomancer
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Agh! Noodle! Speak of the devil!
I see fireworks.
I think both shots came too fast. The difference between Drixx's and Moar's shots: I thought Drixx was scummy before he fired and without question scummy after the shot. Egotistical it may be, but I'm leaning toward believing Moar based on that read. That may need to be rethought if we see evidence of more threats than a single mafia faction.
I think the day kill was used as intended by the mods. To stop someone from performing another day action or to stop someone from making further claims is a powerful tool. Day actions are rare. Investigative roles are not.
The instant death day kill mechanic looks like it was made to stop information from coming forward. In my opinion, that's how Drixx used it. Whether BPC did or didn't have an informatinoal role with information, BPC was dropping hints he had some juju against Drixx.
If a mafioso fears a guilty cop claim and you can do something about it.... might as well do that something. Drixx is much more likely to escape lynch by immediately silencing BPC. Town-Drixx doesn't fear being outed by an informational role and would wait to use a 1x day vig shot in the hopes of finding even more scum.
Drixx's silence about BPC's role is telling. Drixx said BPC was town. Well durka dur. No job was listed. No abilities were listed. In post 223, Drixx said he'd share the flip "unless there's some reason not to." Later, Drixx said he didn't know what the job was. That doesn't count as a reason not to share. Saying something like "BPC was a doc/cop/busdriver/etc gives mafia concrete information but "BPC was a (picking randomly...) bard" does not. It's safer to tell mafia the unspecific version than the specific one. It's possible Drixx was waiting for reads, but the likelihood of mafia knowing town-BPC's sekret infoz is next to nil, so that argument doesn't stand up very well. I've used the argument in post 246 as mafia before. I think (but not positive) Drixx saw through it.
I think both shots came too fast. The difference between Drixx's and Moar's shots: I thought Drixx was scummy before he fired and without question scummy after the shot. Egotistical it may be, but I'm leaning toward believing Moar based on that read. That may need to be rethought if we see evidence of more threats than a single mafia faction.
I think the day kill was used as intended by the mods. To stop someone from performing another day action or to stop someone from making further claims is a powerful tool. Day actions are rare. Investigative roles are not.
The instant death day kill mechanic looks like it was made to stop information from coming forward. In my opinion, that's how Drixx used it. Whether BPC did or didn't have an informatinoal role with information, BPC was dropping hints he had some juju against Drixx.
If a mafioso fears a guilty cop claim and you can do something about it.... might as well do that something. Drixx is much more likely to escape lynch by immediately silencing BPC. Town-Drixx doesn't fear being outed by an informational role and would wait to use a 1x day vig shot in the hopes of finding even more scum.
Drixx's silence about BPC's role is telling. Drixx said BPC was town. Well durka dur. No job was listed. No abilities were listed. In post 223, Drixx said he'd share the flip "unless there's some reason not to." Later, Drixx said he didn't know what the job was. That doesn't count as a reason not to share. Saying something like "BPC was a doc/cop/busdriver/etc gives mafia concrete information but "BPC was a (picking randomly...) bard" does not. It's safer to tell mafia the unspecific version than the specific one. It's possible Drixx was waiting for reads, but the likelihood of mafia knowing town-BPC's sekret infoz is next to nil, so that argument doesn't stand up very well. I've used the argument in post 246 as mafia before. I think (but not positive) Drixx saw through it.
