Forum Mafia - The Dark Tower Game Thread

Gwaihir said:
Scum list:(Bold is very suspicious, italics is suspicious, normal is just a slight feeling)

4: crawlingdeadman - seems like he has been hiding today, which if I remember right he has done as mafia previously. I can see jumping to use the VT claim if he was given one.
5: kestegs - I can see a very loose connection that Phil pointed out in that they interacted more than most and in a buddy-buddy manner, but not enough to warrant a vote.
8: Laarz - quiet, but that is normal for him, but still suspicious
9: Sathoris - quiet, but that is very abnormal. Although, he is normally not quite as mafia either. Unsure what to think here.
19: IWanttoUseNumbersinMyName - also quiet, can't tell how normal that is
20: TheMouseT - seems to be fence sitting on answers, just trying to avoid notice. gut says he may be scum.
21: Zauper - A lot of what he said I consider to be suspect, and he would be bold, except his responses to questions makes me think it may just be difference between play styles.

Vote: crawlingdeadman

Preview from phar:
As for why I would be townie just because I was silenced? There is no reason if it is only a 24 hour silence. I don't see how that makes me mafia though.

We only have 2 hours before day end correct?
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I believe it's only 2 hours.

I'm not sure we're understanding each other. It seemed to me that you said it is very unlikely for you to be silenced by a fellow mafia member. Why do you find that unlikely? Because you think you're a good candidate to be silenced? Because you were silenced D1? Or?
 
Noammr said:
Sure, sure...but I'm sure I can find almost as many instances of scum claiming on day 1 and townies questioning him.
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I won't say scum don't claim early cause they do. But when scum claim early, they can usually prove it. A godfather role. Some ability that's generally considered pro-town. An open or semi-open setup. I'm not remembering an instance where a scum randomly claims VT that early without one of the above occurring. If you have evidence to the contrary, show me.

Noammr said:
Quick question: Why would the mafia want to stop further claims? It may be in their interests in some cases, but it's hardly a common objective.
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Mafia don't like power role claims. Power roles stay silent longer with fewer claims. A cop is just as effective as a VT if they die before announcing results.

pharphis said:
I'm surprised so many are jumping to the conclusion that the silencer role has more than one aspect to it. I've never seen a silencer and so can't speak from experience, but this seems a little odd of a conclusion to jump to
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It's a very odd conclusion to think otherwise. A 24 hour silencer is equivalent to a Fruit Vendor with sorta public results. Of course, that may be the whole point but it's a rather unusual point.

Silence over the last 24 hours is completely different. I think that would be pretty powerful. But the first 24 hours is not particularly effective at keeping someone silent or stopping effective communication.
 
Moar said:
Does anybody have an inofficial vote count?
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Starting with #546 with no votes on cdm.
Zauper unvotes
# votes cdm
pharphis u # and v zauper
jcakes v cdm
pharphis u zauper and v gwaihir
pharphus u gwaihr and v cdm
gwaihir v cdm
kestegs v cdm
djm u Zauper and v cdm

Assuming they are all valid, I count 6 votes (soon to be 7) for cdm, 3 for kestegs and 2 for Zauper.

Vote: crawlingdeadman

I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and see how you play the rest of the game, but if this is how you play the rest of the game... This isn't an "I'm not voting" situation.
 
Goryani said:
Starting with #546 with no votes on cdm.
Zauper unvotes
# votes cdm
pharphis u # and v zauper
jcakes v cdm
pharphis u zauper and v gwaihir
pharphus u gwaihr and v cdm
gwaihir v cdm
kestegs v cdm
djm u Zauper and v cdm

Assuming they are all valid, I count 6 votes (soon to be 7) for cdm, 3 for kestegs and 2 for Zauper.

Vote: crawlingdeadman

I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and see how you play the rest of the game, but if this is how you play the rest of the game... This isn't an "I'm not voting" situation.
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This is an I am voting before I go to bed situation, I would just like to know the company I have before I vote.
I have always been for a lynch as town opposed to a non-lynch day. But I do like to know who I am with so that I can comment on that.
 
Unvote: kestegs
Vote: crawlingdeadman

I do find his early VT claim unsettling, but I'm still unsure of whether or not he is scum. I'm going to feel really stupid if he was VI the whole time though.

Let me be clear: I still find kestegs very scummy, and I don't like how he was allowed to slide by so easily after the first 24 hours or so. Something's up, but I'm not sure quite what it is.

Another thought that just popped into my head: what if the silencing is the mafia's "reward" from twilight? Random silencing of towny and neutral players? The problem with this is that:

1. You could narrow down who mafia were pretty quickly
2. I think Drixx would state that their reward was in effect because he did so for town. Maybe not though
 
kestegs said:
It's interesting that you mention that and yet Gwaihir doesn't seem to think anything of it.

Gwaihir: Does anything change with your opinion about a possible additional ability/effect after reading that?
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I will get back to you on that. I need an answer to a PM first as I am unsure what I am allowed to say about the PM I received.

pharphis said:
I'm not sure we're understanding each other. It seemed to me that you said it is very unlikely for you to be silenced by a fellow mafia member. Why do you find that unlikely? Because you think you're a good candidate to be silenced? Because you were silenced D1? Or?
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Not impossible for mafia to be silencing mafia, but I consider the possibility unlikely. Personally I would ask not to be silenced by a fellow mafia, I dislike not being able post. As for the more general case, I would think mafia would be silencing mostly townies with an occasional mafia thrown in to throw people off - otherwise they would be impeding their ability to swing the attention in the thread. Therefore, anyone silenced is less likely to be mafia. no guarentees, and someone could easily WIFOM, but I stand by my statement.
 
I have to go to bed now. I would like to say that it is very bad not to get a vote count at least around halfway and about 2-3 hours left too. I cannot keep track of all votes. I have a life.

I do not feel cmfortable with voting cdm, but I will do so since he's the only one close to lynch, according to Gory. I do believe in always lynch. Any information is better than no information.

Vote: cdm
 
My day's activities kept me out and about much longer than anticipated. I am about 50 posts behind and catching up. A vote count update seems useless since it will be end of day by the time I can get caught up so simply please stop posting in 27 minutes and I will handle end of day stuff. My apologies for my "to-do" list going so long today.
 
It's interesting to me how so many people seem to think kestegs is scummy but we're lynching a different player. This, to me, is actually a sign that kestegs might be scum -- mafia is distracting attention from him and pushing it onto cdm instead.

That said, more information > less information so we probably need to lynch CDM at this point.
 
Gosh the unofficial votes aren't high enough to lynch anyone. There needs to be 11 to lynch right? Similar to moar, I don't feel comfortable voting for cdm. What I've noticed is people feel he's scummy because of his behavior/playingstyle being different than normal. I'm voting kestegs because I believe there is a connection between him and BA. I don't want to vote for cdm just to lynch for the sake of lynching.

Vote: kestegs
 
TheMouseT said:
Gosh the unofficial votes aren't high enough to lynch anyone. There needs to be 11 to lynch right? Similar to moar, I don't feel comfortable voting for cdm. What I've noticed is people feel he's scummy because of his behavior/playingstyle being different than normal. I'm voting kestegs because I believe there is a connection between him and BA. I don't want to vote for cdm just to lynch for the sake of lynching.

Vote: kestegs
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19 alive means 10 to lynch. Should be one vote off at this point, I think.

The advantage to lynching CDM is more information for town.
 
Zauper said:
It's interesting to me how so many people seem to think kestegs is scummy but we're lynching a different player. This, to me, is actually a sign that kestegs might be scum -- mafia is distracting attention from him and pushing it onto cdm instead.

That said, more information > less information so we probably need to lynch CDM at this point.
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I feel it may be this to an extent, but there's a lot of votes for cdm and they all can't be mafia. There definitely was a shift of topic at some point, but I'd rather lynch one player if he does seem a little shifty and he's not posting. More information and hopefully a mafia lynch.

TheMouseT said:
Gosh the unofficial votes aren't high enough to lynch anyone. There needs to be 11 to lynch right? Similar to moar, I don't feel comfortable voting for cdm. What I've noticed is people feel he's scummy because of his behavior/playingstyle being different than normal. I'm voting kestegs because I believe there is a connection between him and BA. I don't want to vote for cdm just to lynch for the sake of lynching.

Vote: kestegs
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As much as I agree with you I want to ensure at least one lynch today, and the train has definitely shifted onto cdm at this point.
 
Phillinnicus said:
I feel it may be this to an extent, but there's a lot of votes for cdm and they all can't be mafia. There definitely was a shift of topic at some point, but I'd rather lynch one player if he does seem a little shifty and he's not posting. More information and hopefully a mafia lynch.
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Yeah, but mafia could have attached themselves onto another train to build momentum. If CDM is town, I'd look for those voters that really built up steam of it.

Vote: CDM
 
Zauper said:
Yeah, but mafia could have attached themselves onto another train to build momentum. If CDM is town, I'd look for those voters that really built up steam of it.

Vote: CDM
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I agree 100%, and my vote is going on kestegs immediately tomorrow unless some new information is revealed.
 
Vote Count as of point #680

Kestegs (3) : [strike]Phillinnicus[/strike], crawlingdeadman, Coju, [strike]Zauper[/strike], TheMouseT
Gwaihir (0) : [strike]Sathoris[/strike], [strike]Pharphis[/strike]
Numbers (0) : [strike]Pharphis[/strike]
Zauper (2) : [strike]djmbbandie[/strike], Sathoris, Caluin Graye, [strike]Pharphis[/strike]
CDM (10) : numbers, Jcakes, Pharphis, Gwaihir, Kestegs, djmbbandie, Goryani, Phillinnicus, Moar, Zauper

Re-checking vote count and checking for any needed modkills. I will address the earlier announcement briefly and get the night story up ASAP.
 
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