Forum Mafia - The Dark Tower Game Thread

[Moar]

I don't think Drixx should have posted that information in the thread. It gives away far too much and a punishmend/reward thingy is just mean for the others in my opinion. I'd say modkill would have been the best choice.

Anyway, I don't know who I want to vote for. I'm not convinced that kestegs is scum. I'd like to see a vote count to see who is on his train.
I don't want to vote for one of the new guys because of what Drixx posted. I don't want to vote for Gory because he returned to his normal self now. That could be a conscious decission after he was prodded about not being his normal self though.

I think the silencer is a mafia role. What benefit would town have by silencing anyone? It's not like they silence for the whole day, just the first 24 hours. Voting and stuff happens in the last 24 hours of the day anyway. I also think it's a role where silencing is just a part of it. So probably something else was done to Gwaihir and CG. I have no idea of what though.

Gwaihir, CG, did you notice anything else?

I still don't want to vote for cdm because I find his claim believable. I will do so though if it's about lynch or no lynch. I'll do the same with kestegs.

 

[pharphis]

I'm surprised so many are jumping to the conclusion that the silencer role has more than one aspect to it. I've never seen a silencer and so can't speak from experience, but this seems a little odd of a conclusion to jump to

 

[Gwaihir]

Purely OMGUS

Interesting. It seems that phar really wanted there to be a reason for it, as he commented on it twice.

There doesn't seem to have been any other effects from Gwaihir's silencing has there? Other than the obvious unable to post for 24 hours. Now Caluin Graye seems to have gotten "silenced." Is it possible they are passing this malady among themselves? Or if an action triggers the silencing, or if it is the result of a nefarious act by no-goodniks.

If it was only a 24 hour silence, it would be a really weak effect. It apparently did not effect my vote. I would think there would be something more to it, but I could be wrong.

Also, I find it highly likely mafia would use it on themselves. It gives them an air of townieness for being targeted bu such an evil ability, and also gives them an excuse to be talking less. I'm going to modify whoever said VT fake claim was a mafia wet dream and say that this is.

I highly suspect either or both of Cg and Gwaihir are mafia atm.

Unvote: Zauper
Vote: Gwaihir

I do find it plausible that mafia would use it on themselves if the silence is all. If not, then it could be more risky. It could actually be even more useful if they were under some heat the previous day as an excuse to take them out of the action.

As I said above, I find it unlikely that the silence was the only part, as that is pretty weak. You do seem to know how it works phar, which makes me suspicious of you.

Also, your only reason for voting me is the possibility that I am a mafia and I or a teammate silenced me, which
a) is not at all true
b) is very unlikely in my opinion.

I don't mean faking the restriction, I mean having a mafia member restrict a team mate. Still might not be allowed, but I think this is more likely than someone being able to restrict themselves.

Oh, did anyone look in today's story to find clues of silencing? Someone found something yesterday that was potential silencing proof but seemed unlikely, and I'm wondering if that trend will continue.

It seems unlikely that every night action finds its way into the story.

 

[Caluin Graye]

I really feel we shouldn't discuss this in-game, nothing good will come of it.

I agree with this sentiment.

 

[Caluin Graye]

I think the silencer is a mafia role. What benefit would town have by silencing anyone? It's not like they silence for the whole day, just the first 24 hours. Voting and stuff happens in the last 24 hours of the day anyway. I also think it's a role where silencing is just a part of it. So probably something else was done to Gwaihir and CG. I have no idea of what though.

Gwaihir, CG, did you notice anything else?

Do you have something specific in mind what you're looking for, information wise? I've divulged pretty much everything I can about it.

 

[Caluin Graye]

I'm surprised so many are jumping to the conclusion that the silencer role has more than one aspect to it. I've never seen a silencer and so can't speak from experience, but this seems a little odd of a conclusion to jump to

Why? I have evidence that suggests (not confirms, merely suggests) that there's more to the silencing than a simple 24 hour post restriction. Do you have evidence to the contrary?

 

[Moar]

Do you have something specific in mind what you're looking for, information wise? I've divulged pretty much everything I can about it.

Then you probably just don't know more. I had hoped that there was something else you could see.

 

[Gwaihir]

Wait, what? This wasn't always the case, is this a definite truth nowadays?
If so I've been operating under false pretense.

In most recent games, it seems like the mod states that the story does not reflect the game. It was not stated in this game, and with how Drixx has described it, I think this one may be different. I should probably go back and reread them.

I think the silencer is a mafia role. What benefit would town have by silencing anyone? It's not like they silence for the whole day, just the first 24 hours. Voting and stuff happens in the last 24 hours of the day anyway. I also think it's a role where silencing is just a part of it. So probably something else was done to Gwaihir and CG. I have no idea of what though.

Gwaihir, CG, did you notice anything else?

If the power was a 24 hour silence alone there is really no point. It delays discussion with one person, but I can;t see that really changing anything. Power roles effect the game, and this could be the exception, but I doubt it. As for effects, it didn't have any other effects on me that I could tell.

I'm surprised so many are jumping to the conclusion that the silencer role has more than one aspect to it. I've never seen a silencer and so can't speak from experience, but this seems a little odd of a conclusion to jump to

Dentist in the Christmas game was for a whole day I think, preventing a vote. See above for reasoning on why I think there was likely another effect.

 

[pharphis]

Interesting. It seems that phar really wanted there to be a reason for it, as he commented on it twice.



If it was only a 24 hour silence, it would be a really weak effect. It apparently did not effect my vote. I would think there would be something more to it, but I could be wrong.



I do find it plausible that mafia would use it on themselves if the silence is all. If not, then it could be more risky. It could actually be even more useful if they were under some heat the previous day as an excuse to take them out of the action.

As I said above, I find it unlikely that the silence was the only part, as that is pretty weak. You do seem to know how it works phar, which makes me suspicious of you.

Also, your only reason for voting me is the possibility that I am a mafia and I or a teammate silenced me, which
a) is not at all true
b) is very unlikely in my opinion.

It seems unlikely that every night action finds its way into the story.

Personally I consider a 24 hour silencing of a player very strong. Less people to talk early in the day means a much more haphazard day end.

For example, consider CG's and your post after silencing ended. One or two large posts. Large posts get less attention from what I've noticed over time. This I think is why some players like pyro and Jcakes make their (few) posts large ones, as they can fly under the radar a lot easier. Less time being looked at = less discussion. I know working and stuff contributes as well but I want to explain my general impression of how large posts are interacted with.

I'm not sure how I sound like I know how this ability works. If anything, those saying they think it must be part two-part effect seem to know more imo.

I also find it unlikely all night actions fit into the story, but silencing is the only one every player is aware of (assuming you two are being honest about being silenced, which I think we all are). Someone pointed out potential clues from N1 story and so I thought there might be clues again. Phil found some things but again they seem more like coincidence to me.
Anyway, the point i'm getting to is that if certain players are silenced and we have names (from mass claim later that normally happens) from players that match the stories, then we can deem those players more likely to be honest about being silenced, or more honest about their names. Long shot, maybe.

About points 1&2,
What about my proposition do you think makes it unlikely (aside from knowing your alignment)? Is it because you were silenced D1?

 

[pharphis]

Do you have something specific in mind what you're looking for, information wise? I've divulged pretty much everything I can about it.

Why? I have evidence that suggests (not confirms, merely suggests) that there's more to the silencing than a simple 24 hour post restriction. Do you have evidence to the contrary?

I have no evidence to the contrary.
So you have information that suggests but doesn't confirm there is a second effect, and yet you've divulged all you can about it. . . so did I miss it or did you not divulge this information suggesting a second part? Or are you not allowed?

In most recent games, it seems like the mod states that the story does not reflect the game. It was not stated in this game, and with how Drixx has described it, I think this one may be different. I should probably go back and reread them.



If the power was a 24 hour silence alone there is really no point. It delays discussion with one person, but I can;t see that really changing anything. Power roles effect the game, and this could be the exception, but I doubt it. As for effects, it didn't have any other effects on me that I could tell.



Dentist in the Christmas game was for a whole day I think, preventing a vote. See above for reasoning on why I think there was likely another effect.

Ok good example. I explained my opinion on why i think it's a very powerful ability even at only 24hrs.

 

[Goryani]

Also, I find it highly likely mafia would use it on themselves. It gives them an air of townieness for being targeted bu such an evil ability, and also gives them an excuse to be talking less. I'm going to modify whoever said VT fake claim was a mafia wet dream and say that this is.

Assuming it's a mafia ability that doesn't have a detrimental side effect (like killing their own - see the NCIS post restrictor), I can see mafia targeting themselves. I can also see mafia targeting townies just to raise suspicion. It's all WIFOM.

Being silenced isn't the perfect townie claim you imply it is. Matter of fact, I don't see how it's currently relevant. I'm not going to judge either Gwaihir or CG being silenced until I know more about the silence. After a claim or flip, then I'll think about it.

 

[pharphis]

Assuming it's a mafia ability that doesn't have a detrimental side effect (like killing their own - see the NCIS post restrictor), I can see mafia targeting themselves. I can also see mafia targeting townies just to raise suspicion. It's all WIFOM.

Being silenced isn't the perfect townie claim you imply it is. Matter of fact, I don't see how it's currently relevant. I'm not going to judge either Gwaihir or CG being silenced until I know more about the silence. After a claim or flip, then I'll think about it.

If there is a largely detrimental (to mafia, too) second effect then I revoke my accusations. I want CG to answer my above though

 

[pharphis]

Well anyway, I'd much rather see CDM get lynched than kegs atm.

Unvote: Gwaihir
Vote: Crawlingdeadman aka lurkingdeadman

 

[Caluin Graye]

So you have information that suggests but doesn't confirm there is a second effect, and yet you've divulged all you can about it. . . so did I miss it or did you not divulge this information suggesting a second part? Or are you not allowed?

The only way I can provide what evidence I have is by getting myself mod-killed in the process.

Maybe I can get away with this - the wording of the silencing effect seemed to be very deliberately chosen.

 

[pharphis]

The only way I can provide what evidence I have is by getting myself mod-killed in the process.

Maybe I can get away with this - the wording of the silencing effect seemed to be very deliberately chosen.

Okay, that helps and that was my suspicion from your wording. Good to know.

 

[Kestegs]

The only way I can provide what evidence I have is by getting myself mod-killed in the process.

Maybe I can get away with this - the wording of the silencing effect seemed to be very deliberately chosen.

It's interesting that you mention that and yet Gwaihir doesn't seem to think anything of it.

Gwaihir: Does anything change with your opinion about a possible additional ability/effect after reading that?

 

[Moar]

Maybe I am biased because the silencing wouldn't affect me. It would at most be 3-4 hours I'd have to wait before posting. I would have to stay up 10-15 mins longer than my bedtime maybe. Who cares? That's why I think there must be a 2nd component to it. It's too weak on it's own.

 

[Moar]

@Drixx

A vote count would be reallt apprecited.

 

[Gwaihir]

Scum listBold is very suspicious, italics is suspicious, normal is just a slight feeling)

4: crawlingdeadman - seems like he has been hiding today, which if I remember right he has done as mafia previously. I can see jumping to use the VT claim if he was given one.
5: kestegs - I can see a very loose connection that Phil pointed out in that they interacted more than most and in a buddy-buddy manner, but not enough to warrant a vote.
8: Laarz - quiet, but that is normal for him, but still suspicious
9: Sathoris - quiet, but that is very abnormal. Although, he is normally not quite as mafia either. Unsure what to think here.
19: IWanttoUseNumbersinMyName - also quiet, can't tell how normal that is
20: TheMouseT - seems to be fence sitting on answers, just trying to avoid notice. gut says he may be scum.
21: Zauper - A lot of what he said I consider to be suspect, and he would be bold, except his responses to questions makes me think it may just be difference between play styles.

Vote: crawlingdeadman

Preview from phar:
As for why I would be townie just because I was silenced? There is no reason if it is only a 24 hour silence. I don't see how that makes me mafia though.

We only have 2 hours before day end correct?

 

[Kestegs]

Less than 2 hours until day end now.

Vote: Crawlingdeadman

As reasoned in my previous scum list.

I'd also be willing to vote Cujo, as he has lurked even harder than CDM has and people are waiting for answers from him.