Forum Mafia - The Dark Tower Game Thread

[pharphis]

There doesn't seem to have been any other effects from Gwaihir's silencing has there? Other than the obvious unable to post for 24 hours. Now Caluin Graye seems to have gotten "silenced." Is it possible they are passing this malady among themselves? Or if an action triggers the silencing, or if it is the result of a nefarious act by no-goodniks.

Is there an instance of a virus or bacterial infection in the stories anyone can remember? I'm curious if The White or The Red had some kind of story related infection to deal with. (Just brainstorming)

I can't think of anything like this but I was considering the silencing mechanism and which roles would be likely to have it. The only one that came to mind was Dandelo (?) the super evil vampire in the 7th book that ripped out someone's tongue. Considering how anti-town the silence ability is in general I find it highly likely this is the case.

Also, I find it highly likely mafia would use it on themselves. It gives them an air of townieness for being targeted bu such an evil ability, and also gives them an excuse to be talking less. I'm going to modify whoever said VT fake claim was a mafia wet dream and say that this is.

I highly suspect either or both of Cg and Gwaihir are mafia atm.

We never got a vote count, but i'm pretty sure this is where I left off.

Unvote: Zauper
Vote: Gwaihir

 

[pharphis]

I can't think of anything like this but I was considering the silencing mechanism and which roles would be likely to have it. The only one that came to mind was Dandelo (?) the super evil vampire in the 7th book that ripped out someone's tongue. Considering how anti-town the silence ability is in general I find it highly likely this is the case.

Also, I find it highly likely mafia would use it on themselves. It gives them an air of townieness for being targeted bu such an evil ability, and also gives them an excuse to be talking less. I'm going to modify whoever said VT fake claim was a mafia wet dream and say that this is.

I highly suspect either or both of Cg and Gwaihir are mafia atm.

We never got a vote count, but i'm pretty sure this is where I left off.

Unvote: Zauper
Vote: Gwaihir

I really want CG, Gwaihir and Sath to comment on this.

 

[pharphis]

Actually, I would really love any willing player to give their opinion on the likelihood of what I've suggested above, as well as who they think is most likely to be mafia of CG and Gwaihir, whether both, neither or one of them are mafia.

 

[Caluin Graye]

There doesn't seem to have been any other effects from Gwaihir's silencing has there? Other than the obvious unable to post for 24 hours. Now Caluin Graye seems to have gotten "silenced." Is it possible they are passing this malady among themselves? Or if an action triggers the silencing, or if it is the result of a nefarious act by no-goodniks.

Without going into too many details, the Post Restriction appears to be only part of an ability. I did not attempt to target Gwaihir last night, so unless he attempted to target me, I don't see how we passed it to one another.

Do you think the silence is a town power role or a mafia power role? Do you think someone would use that role on themselves / in the case of mafia a team mate?

I do not believe a person would, or perhaps even could, use the Post Restriction ability upon their self. I do not believe the ability is a simple Post Restriction, but has at least one other effect as well. Other than that, hard to say without knowing exactly what else happened, but I do believe something else occurred as part of the ability that silenced me.

 

[Kestegs]

Actually, I would really love any willing player to give their opinion on the likelihood of what I've suggested above, as well as who they think is most likely to be mafia of CG and Gwaihir, whether both, neither or one of them are mafia.

If I was mafia and had that ability I would likely use it on my team on N1. That makes me more suspicious of gwaihir. I doubt they're both mafia, but it's possible. I get a town vibe from CG. I get nothing from gwaihir, but that's normal.

Of course we don't actually know it's a scum ability, but I agree that it likely is.

 

[pharphis]

If I was mafia and had that ability I would likely use it on my team on N1. That makes me more suspicious of gwaihir. I doubt they're both mafia, but it's possible. I get a town vibe from CG. I get nothing from gwaihir, but that's normal.

Of course we don't actually know it's a scum ability, but I agree that it likely is.

Do you think it could be a town ability?
Neutral?

 

[Kestegs]

Do you think it could be a town ability?
Neutral?

Doubtful.
Possible, if there are neutrals.

 

[Caluin Graye]

I can't think of anything like this but I was considering the silencing mechanism and which roles would be likely to have it. The only one that came to mind was Dandelo (?) the super evil vampire in the 7th book that ripped out someone's tongue. Considering how anti-town the silence ability is in general I find it highly likely this is the case.

Also, I find it highly likely mafia would use it on themselves. It gives them an air of townieness for being targeted bu such an evil ability, and also gives them an excuse to be talking less. I'm going to modify whoever said VT fake claim was a mafia wet dream and say that this is.

I highly suspect either or both of Cg and Gwaihir are mafia atm.

It's certainly a possibility that one or both of us could be faking it (though obviously I know that I'm not faking having been restricted), but I'm not willing to vote someone based solely on that. Gwaihir hasn't given me any other reason to suspect he's scum.

 

[Phillinnicus]

I highly doubt the possibility of CG being mafia at this point, so if that ability is in the game and one could use it on themselves (the silencing) I would then look to Gwaihir.

Still, not something I'd switch my vote for, but something to continue to look into/think about.

 

[Zauper]

It's certainly a possibility that one or both of us could be faking it (though obviously I know that I'm not faking having been restricted), but I'm not willing to vote someone based solely on that. Gwaihir hasn't given me any other reason to suspect he's scum.

I more or less agree with this. I wouldn't put someone in my town category because they were silenced (though silence is generally a mafia ability) because someone could be fake claiming being silenced.

I also wouldn't target someone for claiming that they were silenced at this point.

 

[pharphis]

It's certainly a possibility that one or both of us could be faking it (though obviously I know that I'm not faking having been restricted), but I'm not willing to vote someone based solely on that. Gwaihir hasn't given me any other reason to suspect he's scum.

I highly doubt the possibility of CG being mafia at this point, so if that ability is in the game and one could use it on themselves (the silencing) I would then look to Gwaihir.

Still, not something I'd switch my vote for, but something to continue to look into/think about.

I don't mean faking the restriction, I mean having a mafia member restrict a team mate. Still might not be allowed, but I think this is more likely than someone being able to restrict themselves.

Oh, did anyone look in today's story to find clues of silencing? Someone found something yesterday that was potential silencing proof but seemed unlikely, and I'm wondering if that trend will continue.

 

[Phillinnicus]

I don't mean faking the restriction, I mean having a mafia member restrict a team mate. Still might not be allowed, but I think this is more likely than someone being able to restrict themselves.

Oh, did anyone look in today's story to find clues of silencing? Someone found something yesterday that was potential silencing proof but seemed unlikely, and I'm wondering if that trend will continue.

"The Gunslinger grimaced as the priest's housekeeper spread her salve and worked it into his hip. Grimaced ... but didn't cry out."
"There would be little said that these folk would hear."
"After a long silence, Eddie spoke up with a raspy question; "Why?"."
Only things that stuck out to me. Not sure what to make of it. If this ability couldn't be used on yourself as mafia, as you propose it most likely wouldn't, then do you have any idea for who was doing the silencing?

 

[pharphis]

"The Gunslinger grimaced as the priest's housekeeper spread her salve and worked it into his hip. Grimaced ... but didn't cry out."
"There would be little said that these folk would hear."
"After a long silence, Eddie spoke up with a raspy question; "Why?"."
Only things that stuck out to me. Not sure what to make of it. If this ability couldn't be used on yourself as mafia, as you propose it most likely wouldn't, then do you have any idea for who was doing the silencing?

Maybe I wasn't clear. I'm suggesting a mafia silencer will silence their partners, if allowed. Themselves, too, if allowed.

 

[Phillinnicus]

Maybe I wasn't clear. I'm suggesting a mafia silencer will silence their partners, if allowed. Themselves, too, if allowed.

Oh, I see. I think this ability is most likely in the game, and is definitely a mafia ability. That is because Dandelo is being manipulated by the Crimson King, whom would of course only be considered part of the "the red". I don't see how a neutral party could use it to any effect, and definitely cannot see why town would be assigned it. Now, considering all this, maybe it's time we went back and see if the people who were silenced were stepping on anyone in particular's toes or have connections with known mafia (BA). I'll do this in a bit, since it's a lot of reading.

 

[Noammr]

That's a direct quote from someone who flipped scum in a recent game (said to a townie). That type of quote is not an anomaly.

Sure, sure...but I'm sure I can find almost as many instances of scum claiming on day 1 and townies questioning him.
My problem with cdm's claim wasn't the actual fact of him claiming on day 1, but the circumstances which didn't seem to make sense no matter which side he's on (usually aforementioned scum claimed only because he was under pressure).

Early town claims often result in one or more mafia questioning the claim in this manner. Questioning the claim in this manner serves multiple purposes for mafia:

1. Discredit the claimer.
2. Stop further claims.
3. Pumps for more information.

When I saw the string of quotes I posted in #427, my scumdar lit up. LIT UP. I'm not wondering if but how many scum are among them.

Quick question: Why would the mafia want to stop further claims? It may be in their interests in some cases, but it's hardly a common objective.

@Noammr, BipolarCheist, Zauper, kestegs, coju -

Which among you do you think is likely to be scum?
Which among you do you think is likely to be town?

Fine, I'll play your little game:
1- coju. I'm telling you, that dude just gives me the heebiedabajeebies.
2- kestegs. Definitely Noammr.
I gots no read on the other two.

 

[flubbucket1]

"The Gunslinger grimaced as the priest's housekeeper spread her salve and worked it into his hip. Grimaced ... but didn't cry out."
"There would be little said that these folk would hear."
"After a long silence, Eddie spoke up with a raspy question; "Why?"."
Only things that stuck out to me. Not sure what to make of it. If this ability couldn't be used on yourself as mafia, as you propose it most likely wouldn't, then do you have any idea for who was doing the silencing?

Perhaps it is a salve used to divine something from the player it is used upon. The "priest's housekeeper" would possibly be a role cop or some such and the side effect of the salve on the investigated would be they're silenced for 24 hours.

Pulled that one right out of my rear, yup shore did...

 

[Goryani]

I was tempted to vote for Zauper and probably would have where it not for Drixx's announcement. In light of that announcement (and based on his posts in thread) I think there is a good chance that Zauper is the person that made the mistake.

I get the feeling Drixx is trying to avoid a modkil or else we'd have seen one by nowl. I think it's still up to us to deal with the player(s) involved. Though you do have a point about waiting. The punishment/reward (if we know about it - possibly inferred even if we don't know about it) might gives us clues about the alignment of the transgressor. Feels kinda dirty though.

 

[Laarz]

Flub, so what you saying is, you think that being silenced is a is a side effect of some other action? Don't think thats a place to keep your salve, maybe to use it on, but not to keep it

 

[Noammr]

Psst, he's not a townie. That's why.

You're really set on this course, aren't you?

Zauper is giving me the heebie jeebies

No way! *high-five* for heebiejeebies brotherhood.

Taken together, I think the pros outweigh the cons. I think that type of claim is abstractly a pro-town move. Always possible is the possibility of scum faking such a pro-town move but that just shows how pro-town the move is. Never underestimate the power of timely claims.

That's the thing, there was nothing timely about that claim. cdm was under very little pressure at that point imho.

Noammr I'd lean towards scum because he isn't doing anything productive thus far. He's posted a grand total of 8 times.
BipolarChemist has posted a lot but they've generally been short and sarcastic or generally not contributory town posts either. I'm probably more neutral on him. I currently would say I feel like he's the most town.

Some of us are busier than others.
I find it ironic that you'd take posting without substance as a sign for townie-ness.

Hmm. Normally in our games stories actually don't reflect night events. This game did not make that claim though, so it could be more possible.

Wait, what? This wasn't always the case, is this a definite truth nowadays?
If so I've been operating under false pretense.

I don't know if this is my suspicion of ZZZZAaaaaaaaaaaappp talking or if this is a slip by him:
He says there is evidence in the story for a townie killer. Ok, I get that and find it reasonable given the mod.
Working backwards he could easily have come to that conclusion from having his mafia team not reveal the kill flip at all. Thoughts?

Sorry, what?
Are you suggesting that if the kill was redirected the mafia would get the flip on their own member and that's why Zap said what he said? I think that's an unlikely deductive course you're assuming for Zap. In addition, I came to the exact same conclusion he did from the story.

Actually, I would really love any willing player to give their opinion on the likelihood of what I've suggested above, as well as who they think is most likely to be mafia of CG and Gwaihir, whether both, neither or one of them are mafia.

Likelihood mafia would use the ability on themselves = 100%.
However, definite WIFOM case since it's such an obvious move.
Dunno if they would use it exclusively on themselves for the first two days, seems like a not-so-smart move.

Other than that, can't say either player so much as bleeped on my scum-dar. In fact I'd feel uncomfortable lynching either of them based solely on this.

 

[Noammr]

I get the feeling Drixx is trying to avoid a modkil or else we'd have seen one by nowl. I think it's still up to us to deal with the player(s) involved. Though you do have a point about waiting. The punishment/reward (if we know about it - possibly inferred even if we don't know about it) might gives us clues about the alignment of the transgressor. Feels kinda dirty though.

I really feel we shouldn't discuss this in-game, nothing good will come of it.