Ender's Mafia Game

Phillinnicus said:
Conclusion:
- FoE is mafia
- Jason is what he claims to be
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From what I have read, I disagree. I feel Jason is probably who he says he is and I tend to believe Freddie's claim.

Zemaj, dude.... I regret being away for so long and having to read wall of text after wall of text and then at that it was speed reading! Simple? Eh, maybe. I don't have an agenda if that's what you are really asking.

Zokar, I actually have a rap sog stuck in my head now. Thank you.
 
Sathoris said:
Here's why you should lynch FoE.

Apart from his claim being downright a standard mafia threat ploy it cannot be true because I can disprove it. Regardless some peoples reaction to the claim and subsequent unvotes have been very telling, so thanks for that.

FoE claims mason with a partner who just happened to have died, secondly they both are a bomb so if we kill or lynch them we die. FoE used SI's death to back up his claim.

However I am a true mason and my partner, who will be unnamed for now, can back me up if necessary. And I am/was also a 1-shot vig which I used on SI.

I did so because, as stated in the thread, I was wary of SI and wanted to use my ability before dying. Moreover knowing info about a dead guy mafia know nothing about can be valuable, as is proven with this case.

FoE used SI's death to back up his claim, which is now proven to be false because I killed SI, who was a VT btw, so whoever tried to paint SI as probable scum after his death (forgot who, on phone and not around all day, someone can check) is likely scum aswell.

FoE and his obvious buddy Val killed BA and in his hurry to fabricate a threat assumed an SK killed SI who wouldn't come forward and expose himself.

Drixx is also likely to be scum imo, playing the fierce disbeliever role. Will look thoroughly at the voting patterns and interactions tuesday when I have the time. I truly think we can catch several scum by analysing the last day.

Vote: FredOfErik
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Well, I can believe you about Drixx. Something isn't sitting right with me about some things (one of them I notcied during my major skimming was he was pushing and pushing for Jason to claim) so he's on my radar for now.

1-shot vigi? Why do I feel this is a ploy, Sathy? :eyelash:
 
Sathoris said:
Drixx is also likely to be scum imo, playing the fierce disbeliever role. Will look thoroughly at the voting patterns and interactions tuesday when I have the time. I truly think we can catch several scum by analysing the last day.

Vote: FredOfErik
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Unvote: Valhauros
Vote: FredOfErik

I can confirm that Sathoris' story is true.
 
Leopold Stotch said:
Well, I can believe you about Drixx. Something isn't sitting right with me about some things (one of them I notcied during my major skimming was he was pushing and pushing for Jason to claim) so he's on my radar for now.

1-shot vigi? Why do I feel this is a ploy, Sathy? :eyelash:
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Most vigilante powers are 1 shot. There's a reason I was pushing for Jason to claim, and it wasn't because I'm scum.

If I were scum, I would have already known that FoE was scum (as Sathoris just showed us) and I would have therefore already known that Jason was a legit town power role and would have no reason to call attention to myself. It would be a much better scum play to let Jason play it close to his vest, night kill him, and then have fake claim possibilities open later.

Sathoris already offered to put the lynch-lock vote on so maybe he should unvote and wait to put on the locking vote? It's somewhat possible that FoE does have a power that will take the person who locks the lynch with. I've seen that before in games given to scum roles. On the other hand, perhaps some vanilla townie might want to volunteer to put the lock in and take the chance... would be nice to keep the masons around for as long as possible, imo.
 
Figured something like that. Sath was too obviously certain that FoE was full of it.

Vote: FredOfErik

Now to see if I can crack who his buddies are from the hints I've got.
 
Goryani said:
Are you talking about a lynch reveal or an investigation result?
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It's not really relevant any longer. Sathoris just claimed to have killed SI using a 1 shot vigilante power. That puts a gaping hole in FoE's amazingly well put together story. Today's lynch wagon is pretty clear I think. I'm going to sleep as I've got work in six hours. Hopefully FoE wasn't being honest with the "lock me and you die too!" threat.
 
FredOfErik said:
OK, not an easy situation to be thrown into.

FYI, here's what I know about Ender's Game:
tl;dr: military mind-rapes a young boy into a callous space tactician who unwittingly commits xenocide.

I've been following the game on and off for the last couple of days, while mainly being drunk. I've read up on the last couple of pages, but going through everything thoroughly cannot be done before next day-phase (and I'm not to optimistic about being alive at that point).

Role claim: I am Theresa Wiggin, Ender's mother. Mason.
My partner was BA who was John Paul Wiggin, Ender's father.

We both had/have powers - we were both Bombs. His bomb would only go off, if he was targetted for a night kill (and only kill the killer), while mine will only go off in case of a lynch, in which case the locking voter, not the last voter, will die.

I have little to no proof of this, except that I obviously suspect that it is the reason for the two NKs last night.

As to Jason's claim. I'm relatively certain, that he is not a sheriff and I have no clue why anybody would say so because of what he posted, unless they are deliberately trying to cause confusion. If he was a sheriff he would've just said that he had gotten a guilty result. I debated for a while whether or not I should share my theory of his actual role, but came to the conclusion that it is obvious enough that at least one player on the scum team will have caught it.

I am convinced Jason is some sort of eavesdropper - that is he gets to see a random (or targets a player) post of nighttalk each night. His reasons for outing me was because he had heard someone (that he claims is scum) talk about someone who read the thread while on the bus, expressing regretting voting for korial because of the whole "framing" discussion.

I (or rather Moar) did post such a thing last night, and I see why it could be misleading. I'm not allowed to post quotes from the night talk QT (which I sadly didn't even get to participate in), but the point of it was, seemingly, that she did like the framing discussion as, taken from another post, it promoted discussion and had given her reasons to suspect several people. Hence, she helped lock a townie that had caused what she (and partly BA) thought to be the absolutely most important discussion going on.

For completeness sake, their two main suspects were SI and Sath. Other than this, much meaningfull discussion didn't happen. Moar suggested outing BA as a power role to get him targeted for an NK but BA disagreed.

I'm not by any means positive about surviving, but I have now shared what I know. I will get back to reading and answer any questions you might have.
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This is the sentence that didn't ring true when I first read it. I note FoE didn't think a discussion of how to rescue whoever Moar was talking to came under the heading of "meaningful discussion". Alas, he didn't anticipate I'd received this extra snippet, and only covered what I had shared to that point.

As several others have said FoE, you have put up an admirable effort in an impossible situation. Now however, ti is time to exit stage left. Don't suppose you'd mind telling us who yur buddies are on the way out?
 
Laarz said:
Not to defend Sathoris but I think you are wrong Drixx, I dont think that Moar/FoE ever had more than 8 votes and the lynch lock was 10 so if he had voted he would have been the 9th, the lynch vote and not the lock.
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Is this true? About the 8 votes thing. Off by one vote happens often enough. But off by two or more? I wonder...

Has anyone noticed anything hinky with votes? A vote that doesn't count. A vote that counts double. That sort of thing.
 
Valhauros said:
What bothers me about Drixx was his insistence on not laying votes out of Moar/Fred in the same way he did with Korial the phase before, and how defensive and argumentative he gets when fingers are pointed in his direction, to the point where he even acts offended, as if the mere notion of him having a role he's not portraying would be a preposterous idea. He's scum alright.
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Can you explain the bolded? I really don't know what "laying votes out of" means.
 
Jason Maher said:
I personally am suspicious of FoE's claim because on first read he misrepresented the part of the message I hadn't shared at that point. I'll have to recheck. I did intend to re-vote for him, but got bitten by the early day end time again. The colourful language in what I received last night makes me suspectmy original conclusion was correct, but I'm going to do some more careful reading and thinking before I make that a firm conclusion.
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This looks like an about face from post 355. If you were suspicious of FoE's claim on the re-re-re-re-re-re-read why did you unvote? Why did you not bring this up yesterday?
 
Sathoris said:
Here's why you should lynch FoE.

Apart from his claim being downright a standard mafia threat ploy it cannot be true because I can disprove it. Regardless some peoples reaction to the claim and subsequent unvotes have been very telling, so thanks for that.

FoE claims mason with a partner who just happened to have died, secondly they both are a bomb so if we kill or lynch them we die. FoE used SI's death to back up his claim.

However I am a true mason and my partner, who will be unnamed for now, can back me up if necessary. And I am/was also a 1-shot vig which I used on SI.

I did so because, as stated in the thread, I was wary of SI and wanted to use my ability before dying. Moreover knowing info about a dead guy mafia know nothing about can be valuable, as is proven with this case.

FoE used SI's death to back up his claim, which is now proven to be false because I killed SI, who was a VT btw, so whoever tried to paint SI as probable scum after his death (forgot who, on phone and not around all day, someone can check) is likely scum aswell.

FoE and his obvious buddy Val killed BA and in his hurry to fabricate a threat assumed an SK killed SI who wouldn't come forward and expose himself.

Drixx is also likely to be scum imo, playing the fierce disbeliever role. Will look thoroughly at the voting patterns and interactions tuesday when I have the time. I truly think we can catch several scum by analysing the last day.
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Did Jason post anything that looked like one of your conversations?
 
Goryani said:
This looks like an about face from post 355. If you were suspicious of FoE's claim on the re-re-re-re-re-re-read why did you unvote? Why did you not bring this up yesterday?
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Because I had to give FoE's claim proper consideration. I meant to re-vote, but forgot to do so before I went to bed, and woke up just too late to make the deadline.
 
Drixx said:
It's not really relevant any longer. Sathoris just claimed to have killed SI using a 1 shot vigilante power. That puts a gaping hole in FoE's amazingly well put together story. Today's lynch wagon is pretty clear I think. I'm going to sleep as I've got work in six hours. Hopefully FoE wasn't being honest with the "lock me and you die too!" threat.
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I think it's relevant but ESPECIALLY after Sath's claim. Look again at his post to see who he talks about and why.
 
@Goryani - Of course I wasn't confirming what Sathoris thought. I'm only confirming that the actual claim part of his story is true.

Jason Maher said:
So Drixx, are you claiming to be the other Mason?
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Now why on earth would you ask me that Jason? Didn't you see all the trouble I caused pressing you about your role? Just when your role claim and subsequent information from Sathoris had me believing in your pro-town eavesdropper claim, you make me wonder again. After all, if FoE flips scum that really doesn't confirm [highlight]how[/highlight] you got the information. That said, your claimed name and role do align very well.

@Zemaj - Crazy Tom the bomber eh? That should just about put to bed the belief of FoE's threat and great story.
 
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