Returning to the Roots - Mini mafia game

[Kestegs]

Ankeli - Which post given as reasoning doesn't matter - not really town or scum response.
Phil - I remember in my first games thinking like this as town - if anyone included me in a scumlist without reason, I was annoyed. How could they think that I was a mafia when I am obviously town? As mafia I remember being less annoyed and more "crap, how can they know?" While I have several other issues with Phils play, this is not one of them. On the other hand, not changing your vote because they will be locked anyways is very scummy. That sounds like he knew they were townie and figured why bring heat on myself by lynching a townie? Second part is very scummy, while first not as much.
kegs - people probably used both and only bothered to quote one. not really town or scum response.










So I meant to get back to this but didn't have time yesterday, and it seems Gory beat me to it. kegs, I asked you if you actually explained why SI was on your scum list. Your response is the last quote (saying you were very clear about why you felt he was scum), and every other post you made in response to or talking about SI is listed above that. Nowhere do I see you give any case with the exception of OMGUS in your scum list.

Vote: kestegs

2 mafia left. SI removes vote 3 from Phil, BA switched over to him. If kegs is mafia, that to me looks like BA trying to make sure Phil gets lynched today, but just did not want to be on the train if he could avoid it.

I suppose there was no real way for me to call SI scum without it being OMGUS then. I had hopes that people would pick up what I was laying down and see that he was trying to make a case where there was none, but nobody else did.

Both Goryani and Gwaihir make a convincing case against kestegs.
Goryani's scumhunting is top-notch, and I'm completely convinced he's town as well.

Vote: kestegs?

Wow, what a shining endorsement! You seem to be an expert about scum hunting given you just played the noob card earlier this day. If I flipped scum I might agree with you, problem is that I wouldn't.

No one else vote for kestegs im cop he's town further explanation coming

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I really wish you hadn't done that, although I do appreciate my life being spared (hopefully). I suppose it's not that bad though, now the doc knows who to protect tonight.

 

[Bad Ash]

Losing a guarunteed townie who supplys no information outside of voting with 5 players left is much more valuable than trying to think it out and get something solid today.


Other factors:
If you die I have no information that the others dont have, now you should live and give 1 guarunteed townie among the 5 remaining vs. 0
Anyone could have been killed tonight including me
66% chance theres a protecting role, I wouldn't mind it not gonna lie

 

[Bad Ash]

goryani wanting to mass claim is a big no no to me btw.

What could you possibly hope to accomplish by this? You would have known I was cop and never built a train on kestegs, and you'd know who the doc was as well and the mafia could all claim vanilla townie.

Why would you think this was a good idea right now?

 

[Kestegs]

PHIL, Gory, Gwaihir:

I have a very strong feeling our two mafia are in this group. To me, Ankeli is the most town player in this game who I haven't cleared, and if I hold true to that theory, and PHIL IS TOWN, than Why would Gory and Gwaihir build a case for kestegs? There was absolutely no reason to. Zero. They had a target they could have focused on, built a case against, and been scot free in their thinking.

but they didnt.

They are building a case (which IS a pretty good one) against a verified townie from a sane cop.

Phil's lynch will tell us everything we need to know. If he is scum we got our two picks for tomorrow, and if he is town, I think Ank and Solar Ice are good targets.

Right, I think this plus the rest of your post is good reasoning. The only issue with it is what happens tomorrow after I had flipped town? If Gory is mafia then how would he have planned to get out of that mess. Or maybe he just thought the case was good enough that it wouldn't matter if I flipped town, just like the moar case.

If Phil is town: I would say you, especially if kegs is mafia.
If Phil is mafia: Less clear, although I think Gory and SI are both options.

Just saw post

Unvote: kestegs

How would phil and I both flip in this scenario?

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I am trying to see any reason that BA could be mafia lying and I can't come up with one. Of course this all hinges on the fact that I know I am actually town. The only way I can see him being mafia is if I myself am mafia. There's just no reason to risk a fake cop claim to save me unless I'm mafia.

 

[Bad Ash]

Oh despite my goryani anti-mass claim post I think our scum are Phil and Gwaihir.

 

[Solar Ice]

Screw quoting because it took me countless tries to make my previous post already.

@ Bad Ash

I wanted to make a post that you are Mafia but obviously I would be wrong. I agree that your post in that regardless of outcome of Tonight, it is of great information for the Town. My Scum list will obviously be determined on how Phil flips but it goes without saying that two confirmed townies at this point is absolutely golden.

 

[Gwaihir]

I was waiting as long as possible to try and get as much info as I could, but didnt think that was wise to wait longer.

I agree with most of your analysis on likely scenarios.

BA - cop
kegs - townie by cop

Phil - play has been scummy, definitely ok with a lynch on him.
Ank - If Phil is mafia, Ank is likely town based on going after him for 2 days straight.
Goryani - If Phil is town, Gory is most likely as well, otherwise why not just lynch him instead of kegs case.
SI - Has moved votes a lot. Left Phil train to vote you. Vote for Phil could have been a bus, unvote could have been a dodge on lynching a townie. No real proof either way if Phil gets lynched.

 

[Gwaihir]

How would phil and I both flip in this scenario?

The post you reference was started before I saw what BA had to say (until preview happened and I quickly voted to stop any stupid mistakes from happening.). At that point Phil and you were my top two suspects so I figured one of the two of you were very likely to be mafia. I also had you as unlikely to be teammates, so I thought that if one was mafia, the other likely was not.

 

[Bad Ash]

And yet neither of you vote. Interesting

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[Solar Ice]

And yet neither of you vote. Interesting

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I do not know about Gwaihir but I am waiting to see if Phillinnicus has anything to say before locking him.

There is 3 hours left. Early lock does nothing as usual.

 

[Kestegs]

The post you reference was started before I saw what BA had to say (until preview happened and I quickly voted to stop any stupid mistakes from happening.). At that point Phil and you were my top two suspects so I figured one of the two of you were very likely to be mafia. I also had you as unlikely to be teammates, so I thought that if one was mafia, the other likely was not.

Okay, thought that might be the case, makes sense now.

I do not know about Gwaihir but I am waiting to see if Phillinnicus has anything to say before locking him.

There is 3 hours left. Early lock does nothing as usual.

That's probably fine, as long as we don't end up with a no lynch. Still makes me a bit uncomfortable though.

 

[Bad Ash]

Considering you wouldn't be locking him as he has three votes. I guess gwaihir at least unvoted kegs.

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[Solar Ice]

That's probably fine, as long as we don't end up with a no lynch. Still makes me a bit uncomfortable though.

I am around until most of Day-end as that would be 1 AM my time. If I was not, there is no chance in hell that I would leave without voting.

 

[Solar Ice]

Considering you wouldn't be locking him as he has three votes. I guess gwaihir at least unvoted kegs.

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Zokar has been stumped! He was a Vanilla Townie.

Seven alive, four to lock+lynch.

10 characters long.

 

[Gwaihir]

And yet neither of you vote. Interesting

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I am around until most of Day-end as that would be 1 AM my time. If I was not, there is no chance in hell that I would leave without voting.

This. I plan on being around for Day end.

Also as stated by CG and quoted by SI, in this game there is no separation between lynch and lock. They both occur at the same time.

 

[Bad Ash]

This. I plan on being around for Day end.

Also as stated by CG and quoted by SI, in this game there is no separation between lynch and lock. They both occur at the same time.

Woah. Did not see that

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[Solar Ice]

Completely forgot that my vote is still on BA.

Unvote: Bad Ash

 

[Caluin Graye]

New page, new vote count.

Phillinnicus (3) : Ankeli; kestegs; Bad Ash
kestegs (2): Goryani; Phillinnicus

Four votes to lock + lynch. [STRIKE] Three[/STRIKE]Two hours or so remain in the day.

 

[Goryani]

8. You're in favor of a mass claim at the end of the day? Scum move. I'll explain why: it's obvious that if there is a cop they don't have a guilty read on scum, because there's no reason they would have not come forward by now. It's also obvious that any other power role doesn't have any incriminating evidence since someone died last night. So what do we possibly have to gain from a mass claim today besides giving mafia easier targets?

I could go with a mass claim after a power role comes forward with info, or possibly in lylo.

"At the end of the day" isn't correct. I started this conversation on DAY 1. I wait for responses and, upon hearing none, bring it up again on Day 2. When I bring it up again, it's 90min after my first post of the day.

In a 9 player game, waiting for a guilty verdict usually means the cop claims too late. Clearing an innocent is powerful stuff. If I'm cop in this game I claim by the end of D2.

The purpose of a mass claim isn't to catch mafia. It's to find townies. Finding townies makes it easier to catch mafia.

 

[Goryani]

2 mafia left. SI removes vote 3 from Phil, BA switched over to him. If kegs is mafia, that to me looks like BA trying to make sure Phil gets lynched today, but just did not want to be on the train if he could avoid it.

Can you explain this better?