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[Jcakes1]

That is a strange result. If anything it sounds like he could have been targeted by a jailkeeper last night. Not sure what other role would prevent targeting at night.

 

[pharphis]

That is a strange result. If anything it sounds like he could have been targeted by a jailkeeper last night. Not sure what other role would prevent targeting at night.

That wouldn't be too surprising to hear. Gory is typically targeted by docs early on from what I've heard.

 

[MartinLong]

It appears she is telling the truth about not being able to vote though.

Not being able to vote, true. The lynch/lock #'s still raise a flag though

Do you think it's worth using another day to prove your notion?

Nope, not yet at least.

I am one pissed Moar right now. No laptop and awake at 5 am, so please forgive my language. So we found out now that I can,t vote? Goodie good.

Why are you surprised? I thought you were aware of this from your role PM.

It.s not quite that bad. I,ll be able to vote again tomorrow. So if Lylo/Mylo happens on my voting days, I,ll be able to participate actively. With tomorrow I mean next game day.

Lynch all liars is a common tactics, but I'm not convinced it's worth it.

I am one of the Primordial Deities.
I have a variation of an Informational Role.
I used my ability on somebody the first night and received results. That person is still alive.
I used my ability on Goryani last night and was told he was not able to be targeted.

I was going to wait, but I *may* not be able to log in for a while...

Now why did you claim? IIRC, you were waiting on Gory to tell his almighty insight, then you were going to tell your lesser news.

What changed? Why so eager?

That wouldn't be too surprising to hear. Gory is typically targeted by docs early on from what I've heard.

Gory is strong, no doubt. But look at the deaths from last night. You think Gory was a doc-save above all of them? Why?

 

[Jcakes1]

That is a strange result. If anything it sounds like he could have been targeted by a jailkeeper last night. Not sure what other role would prevent targeting at night.

I had another thought. From memory Serial Killers return a Null result, though I would have thought the wording would be unknown or no-result. Not "untargetable".

 

[FredOfErik]

Zokar:
Why did you choose to come forward now, making yourself a target without sharing any real info?

Gory is strong, no doubt. But look at the deaths from last night. You think Gory was a doc-save above all of them? Why?

Why a doc-save? How would that keep an informational role from getting info?

 

[ThunderCat]

I almost forgot.

If any of you are playing D3 on the EU server, drop me a PM with your tags.

 

[Goryani]

Would that sort of mechanic normally be considered BM?

I don't consider that mechanic bad mannered in and of itself. It creates a balance issue but so do all other mechanics in the game. Loss of a vote is bad if it happens to a townie, but then NK protection is good (and considering we had 4 deaths last night...).

 

[Ankeli1]

Given that it's a TC game, I'd like to lynch Moar again. I'm suspecting she's a half-lynch immune mafia who can only vote on the days she's lynch immune.

I'm going to be off quite a bit today / tomorrow, and probably won't get many posts in, but on the contrary of what you discussed I'm still going to

Vote: Moar

Also, if Goryani was blocked I'd think it was because he was extremely fishy with his way of responding to the treestump issue yesterday. I'm rather convinced that both him and Moar are mafia, alongside Korialstraz.

 

[thefranklin]

That's a bunch of BS.

People I "was critical of" yesterday:
- You
- Sath (whom I also agreed with on certain points)
- Jcakes
- Moar

One of those are dead. If I am mistaken, please show me where I expressed suspicion of Solar, Leo and CG.
Besides this I don't see how my posts today do not contribute to discussion (we're discussing now, btw):

First post:
Pointing out that I still don't trust Moar
Expressing suspicion of people who are discussing what roles have killed four players instead of what players have killed four players.

Second post:
A legitimate question about a possible role of a player that has claimed a role of which I'm in doubt of whether or not I believe.

So since I'm apparently not adding enough to discussion, maybe you can help me out?

- what do you think of Moar trying to unvote Laarz, even though she claims that her vote doesn't count? If going by your previous comment about this action, why did you unvote her?
- what were your reads on the people who died last night?
- who would you like to see lynched today?

Most of your posts yesterday were about Leo and Sath, mostly discussing with Moar as if you had blinders on.

1. I already have my thoughts on your first question in this thread. I unvoted her because I was seeing if she could be voted for. Gory's post yesterday about not being able to vote for her if she is a tree stump was not something I would think he would believe. So I had to test it, and I saw my vote for her counted. If it had not counted, I would be extremely suspicious of Gory for "guessing" how it worked, when that is not the norm.
2. I think they are most likely all town. Leo would be the one I would question the most, but I still would vote for other poeople before Leo today.
3. I still feel ML played scum yesterday, I don't particularly like your posts still, Zokar had scared me with his "Gwahir might be a god or man" talk (aren't we all gods? And if you are not a god, I am doubtful your are town) and generally not adding much, and Korial was flip flopping around thinking CG did something scummy or not. Corax and Ank did not post enough to really read. I don't mind Zokar lynch at all due to it helping give us a read on Ank and Gory, and he was scummy yesterday. Moar trying to unvote is just retarded, don't know why she would try to pull that off without her vote being noted as not counting.

Now, question to you: Off the remaining people on your list, you have not directly addressed me at all or JCakes since early yesterday. Why? Especially when you put a zero-eth hour post on me and then not act on it the next day until I say something to you about it?

 

[Goryani]

I am one of the Primordial Deities.
I have a variation of an Informational Role.
I used my ability on somebody the first night and received results. That person is still alive.
I used my ability on Goryani last night and was told he was not able to be targeted.

I was going to wait, but I *may* not be able to log in for a while...

I suppose I can show you mine now.

Short version: During D1 you did a LOT of rolefishing.
Post 24 you publicly point out when you thought Ankeli was breadcrumbing.
Post 41 you flesh out the breadcrumbing theory.
Post 280 you wonder if Moar is a scientist/inventor that gives things to others.
Post 303 was the big one. It's the closest someone can come to asking " Are you a cop and have a guilty verdict?" without uttering the words cop or guilty. And Sathoris turned up dead. Coincidence?

On D2:
Post 365 (b): The group of players most likely to have an inkling of multiple, smaller mafia are....members of one of those mafia teams.
Also in 365 (b): "Hunting for Zeus the only mafioso" is a lot like "Hunting for the SK." Which group of players are most interested in finding a SK? Mafia.

Multiple reasons pointing to the same conclusion is usually a correct conclusion. So I voted.

After my vote for you D2:
Post 417: My reasons are standard scumhunting reasons but it looks like you expected I had something more....concrete. This becomes MOST interesting since it's essentially what you asked of Sathoris.

Many of the posts you make are designed to solicit information from the player you are talking to. And not just any information. Role specific information. Information about their name, abilities, and knowledge. You did it with Ankeli, Moar, Sathoris and myself.

I used my ability on Goryani last night and was told he was not able to be targeted.

This is throwing up red flags. Lots of them. If an informational role fails for some reason (block, hider, etc), I've never seen TC provide a failure notice.

 

[Goryani]

If we are testing moar we need to lynch her today and right now.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the goal is to lynch scum. Testing can't take place unless we've given up on lynching scum. Unless you think Moar IS scum. But if so, why not make a case or at least a vote?

 

[Goryani]

Hm, I think I may see a possible reasoning behind this vote, but I don't think I'll ever be able to be at Gory's level of thinking for these kind of things.

Why did you not state your possible reasoning? Why did you not place a vote or dissension?

 

[Goryani]

My bolded part shows the part of your message that I think is you claiming spy. "we have to find him"

Somewhere to start for today, and it was the first thing I could see in Gory's quote of you that seemed off. I'm wondering if that's what one of the reasons were.

How about now? Does Zokar's claim refute or support (or neither) a recruitment idea?

 

[Goryani]

(aren't we all gods? And if you are not a god, I am doubtful your are town)

I'm not a god (neither am I a Primordial Deity or whatever term Zokar used). I'm town. There goes that theory.

 

[FredOfErik]

Most of your posts yesterday were about Leo and Sath, mostly discussing with Moar as if you had blinders on.

More BS. I pretty much only mentioned Leo while discussing with moar and even stated that I didn't find her suspicious.
Also, as you mention yourself, I also posted about cakes and you, and also Korial, who you forgot. All in all that's 5 people (Sath, Jcakes, you, Moar, Korial) and only one of them is dead. I have no idea how you think more or less discussing/expressing suspicion of 1/4 of the entire players list constitutes as wearing blindfolds.

Either you did not read my posts or you are twisting them to make me look scum.

I don't mind Zokar lynch at all due to it helping give us a read on Ank and Gory, and he was scummy yesterday.

So I take it you don't believe his claim?

Now, question to you: Off the remaining people on your list, you have not directly addressed me at all or JCakes since early yesterday. Why? Especially when you put a zero-eth hour post on me and then not act on it the next day until I say something to you about it?

First of all I didn't get to read the thread until 2 am-ish while I was sorta drunk. I didn't have motivation to build up a long post, but that is a bad excuse.

on cakes: My views about his overly defensive approach to Gory stand. However, I like some of his posting today.

you: I didn't have much to say, as the reasons I found you scummy was already stated (which I also mentioned in my "zero-hour" post). My view of you today might be a bit OMGUS affected, but I'm not as suspicious of you as I was yesterday. I find your posting and arguing today bad and flawed, but not necessarily scummy.

Before I'm gonna cast a vote today I want Zokar to answer some of the questions that have been asked. I think Gory pointed out some pretty relevant stuff. Particularly this quote doesn't sit well with me:

Do you intend to share them before the day is over or are you going to wait until something specific happens?

As mentioned before, I'm also supicious of everybody making up crazy theories about the four kills. Doing so doesn't help in anyway, but is creating a situation like the one we're in now - spending hours upon hours of discussing what happened, instead of discussing who made it happen. Zokar, too, is guilty of doing this.

 

[Goryani]

Gory's post yesterday about not being able to vote for her if she is a tree stump was not something I would think he would believe. So I had to test it, and I saw my vote for her counted. If it had not counted, I would be extremely suspicious of Gory for "guessing" how it worked, when that is not the norm.

The testing portion looks like pretty solid logic if you really believe I don't believe in the "treestump can't be voted" aspect. I can believe that reasoning but it's also a good practice when dealing with treestumps. I really do believe that. Standard Treestump definition.

I don't mind Zokar lynch at all due to it helping give us a read on Ank and Gory, and he was scummy yesterday.

What type of read does a Zokar lynch give regarding Ankeli? Is it because of the Wild Theory?

 

[pharphis]

I'm not a god (neither am I a Primordial Deity or whatever term Zokar used). I'm town. There goes that theory.

Good to know. I was under the same impression as tf

How about now? Does Zokar's claim refute or support (or neither) a recruitment idea?

With the thoughts you've brought forth, now, I think it's much less likely Zokar is spy. I still think it's a possibility, given his comment, and what you mentioned about post 365 (multiple mafia, therefore smaller teams - we saw this in the cheers game with kestegs (I think) who could have been recruited).
However, I think you're probably right about the connection between Zokar and Sath, even if Zokar just laid out the question (this would be assuming he is spy), and his buddies used that to kill Sath.

I'm definitely leaving my vote here for now. But I'm also waiting for Zokar's (and others) to answer my question.

 

[Kestegs]

I think you are thinking along the same lines as me, that is she is lynchproof only on the days she can vote. That or she is 1xlynch proof, but the day following a lynch she can't vote? The big problem I see, is that the only way to test it is to try and lynch her today. If she is indeed stumpy, then we've wasted two days trying to lynch and unlynchable.

I don't really know what the best course of action. I think I am tending towards the ignore her for the rest of the game, I don't think we can take the risk of another no lynch.

Of course she could also be lynchable today, but still town. At this point I don't see a reason to try to lynch her again.

I am one of the Primordial Deities.
I have a variation of an Informational Role.
I used my ability on somebody the first night and received results. That person is still alive.
I used my ability on Goryani last night and was told he was not able to be targeted.

I was going to wait, but I *may* not be able to log in for a while...

Why now? Investigation roles generally stay quiet until they have something actually useful to say from their investigations

I suppose I can show you mine now.

Short version: During D1 you did a LOT of rolefishing.
Post 24 you publicly point out when you thought Ankeli was breadcrumbing.
Post 41 you flesh out the breadcrumbing theory.
Post 280 you wonder if Moar is a scientist/inventor that gives things to others.
Post 303 was the big one. It's the closest someone can come to asking " Are you a cop and have a guilty verdict?" without uttering the words cop or guilty. And Sathoris turned up dead. Coincidence?

On D2:
Post 365 (b): The group of players most likely to have an inkling of multiple, smaller mafia are....members of one of those mafia teams.
Also in 365 (b): "Hunting for Zeus the only mafioso" is a lot like "Hunting for the SK." Which group of players are most interested in finding a SK? Mafia.

Multiple reasons pointing to the same conclusion is usually a correct conclusion. So I voted.

After my vote for you D2:
Post 417: My reasons are standard scumhunting reasons but it looks like you expected I had something more....concrete. This becomes MOST interesting since it's essentially what you asked of Sathoris.

Many of the posts you make are designed to solicit information from the player you are talking to. And not just any information. Role specific information. Information about their name, abilities, and knowledge. You did it with Ankeli, Moar, Sathoris and myself.

This is throwing up red flags. Lots of them. If an informational role fails for some reason (block, hider, etc), I've never seen TC provide a failure notice.

Those are some very valid points. Maybe he killed Sath and Sath had the role that he is now claiming.

 

[Pyrotechnician1]

Why doesn't it? I grant that I don't really have a feel for balance, but given the completely open ended nature of these games I'm sure something could be arranged.

The possibility of there being a 4 kill night with just one SK doesn't make sense. That and the balance would be extremely impractical, I know you've only played one game, but I would think from that one game you would know that 1 vs. 19 just sounds pretty darn ridiculous.

It's a strong indication Moar isn't a traditional treestump. She didn't claim a traditional treestump so I'm not entirely surprised at the numbers.

I was hoping though. A voteless player who still increases the numbers required to lynch can have a noticeable impact on the game. If Moar is town, lynches are that much harder and LYLO/MYLO can come a day sooner than expected.

It.s not quite that bad. I,ll be able to vote again tomorrow. So if Lylo/Mylo happens on my voting days, I,ll be able to participate actively. With tomorrow I mean next game day.

And let's just get this clear: you are unlynchable, unkillable and gets to vote every second day?

Bunching these three quotes together, yes its obvious that she is not a traditional tree stump if she is a tree stump that is. FoE pretty much sums it up though, a player that is unlynchable, unkillable, and still gets to vote? Be it every day or not something doesn't smell right. We are obviously missing something but I'm not sure if its worth the towns time to bother with her or not, right now I think she is just a very large distraction.

If we are testing moar we need to lynch her today and right now.

3/4th tree stump that can vote everyday? Paranoia over Laarz being locked on a non counting vote? Wtf is going on?

@Pyro why ask me questions while quoting me that a. I propose in the quote and b. You proceed to answer then question yourself.

My answer seems....odd

But hear me out..no?

Actually I don't have a lot to say.

I wholly believe the only other explanation other than bomb is a serial killer hot mess.

The balance comes from them killing each other or being able to.

Want proof? I don't got it. But got a hunch for some crunch and munch.

P.s. I moved out of my extended stay hotel and won't have internet for two weeks, NOT today like they promised....o will try to barter with my neighbor for his password and will do what I can. Tapatalk ftw.

Pps kegs with the response of the year with the HEH quote. Was loling as well

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Yes you posed the question, but you obviously have an opinion on the matter but yet you didn't really state it. And your questions weren't really directed toward anyone, they were just thrown out there so I figured I would see what your actual belief was.

 

[Pyrotechnician1]

I am one of the Primordial Deities.
I have a variation of an Informational Role.
I used my ability on somebody the first night and received results. That person is still alive.
I used my ability on Goryani last night and was told he was not able to be targeted.

I was going to wait, but I *may* not be able to log in for a while...

So you outed yourself as an informational role for what reason? Because Gory voted you and you guys decided to have a game of "No you show me yours first?" Thats almost as sad as Moar claiming 3/4th stump yesterday.

Why did you not state your possible reasoning? Why did you not place a vote or dissension?

My thought was based solely on you quoting that specific line from Zokar. I tried to decipher what you saw in that line to be suspicious that you would merely quote only that section, place a vote, and say nothing else. You were copying out of Sath's playbook from yesterday and it intrigued me so I waited to see how it would play out. When Sath did that yesterday on Jcakes you automatically jumped in and fought the argument for him, if someone is going to place their vote I'm not inclined to share my reasoning before they do so they can pull detail from my argument for their case and sit back and watch things happen for them.

That being said since the game of "No you show me yours first" is over I will state what I thought, based on that quote alone it seemed like Zokar was trying to push us away from scum hunting a group of people and look only for one specific person and nothing more, something a normal town player would not normally suggest as a scumhunting strategy. If its one thing I learned quickly from previous games its that while finding the SK is important it should not take precedence over finding scum in general as finding one specific person is much more difficult than drawing connections between others. Based on this and his claim which is less than definitive and didn't really serve a purpose I'm going to lay down my vote.

Vote: Zokar