Create Your Own Role Mafia game

[Gwaihir]

Or maybe, just maybe, I saw a pattern similar to your previous game (in which you were Mafia) with you slipping in a bit of certainly about being is the game Tomorow, and posted wondering about it.

True, but I was also pointing out you may have had different motives, and that is a dangerous question to ask in this game.

Anyways I generally don't plan on being killed as town or mafia, although it could of course happen. It is even less likely now with the 3-way bus driver in play and multiple roles that keep people alive.

I don't think a scum Paris would want a scum BFF since Paris must vote for the BFF at hammertime. Why would scum take that risk?

I don't think it's overpowered if we do the day before roleclaims. How can mafia effectively use the role to save one of their own if the king has to claim? Can't be used before endgame me thinks. Or am I missing something here?

Actually a good point I hadn't thought of for the BFF. As for kingmaker - while true that we should be able to fight it by claims, it makes lylo very, very dangerous.

I don't think killing someone today specifically because they have the role is a good idea, but I would be happy to see it get lynched before the endgame.

Since it will rotate, what can we make of the BFF if in fact he/she remains an anonymous townie. Will they be privy to information in the QT if in fact they do get paired up with mafia Paris?? Even if it isn't specific information it could be things gleaned from the QT conversations. I may be allowing my imagination to run rampant and not understanding what I'm reading. So does anyone see this as valuable or more mindless babbling from boobbucket??

My understanding is a townie would not know if they are matched with mafia. So the two talk at night, but have no idea if they can trust each other.

The BFF claiming could let us work on us confirming they are town. From there, the 'Paris'' of the world (lulz) will know if they can trust him/her or not.

And if we confirm the BFF is town, what does it give us? How would we even try to do that? Really, the huge advantage of a mason group is that they know who some other townies are. Neighbor talking is much less powerful.

 

[thefranklin]

I'm going to guess you meant to add something pertinent other than just flinging some poo from inside your cage??

I take offense! I am free range...

If both Paris and bff claim, the mafia will know they get a free vote for a mislynch if they are both town. Other than that, I don't see it doing much, kinda stinks that the bff works on scum.

 

[flubbucket1]

I take offense! I am free range...

If both Paris and bff claim, the mafia will know they get a free vote for a mislynch if they are both town. Other than that, I don't see it doing much, kinda stinks that the bff works on scum.

Agreed re: mafia BFF. Hopefully it will all come out in the wash. I'm sort of getting a handle on the Forensic Scientist. I think this one (results/actions) needs to be openly discussed on a regular basis. I realize there is always potential for filthy stinkin' lyin' but as was stated before...mo info is mo bettah!!




Oh and stop staring at my chesticles....my eyes are up here MartinLong...:nono:

 

[MartinLong]

Agreed re: mafia BFF. Hopefully it will all come out in the wash. I'm sort of getting a handle on the Forensic Scientist. I think this one (results/actions) needs to be openly discussed on a regular basis. I realize there is always potential for filthy stinkin' lyin' but as was stated before...mo info is mo bettah!!

Yes, the vial aspect is going to be much like the drink spiking in the cheers game. It will promote us all to coordinate to find out the killers.

Oh and stop staring at my chesticles....my eyes are up here MartinLong...:nono:

... and here I thought you were just a piece of meat.

 

[Moar]

... and here I thought you were just a piece of meat.

You came to me this morning
And you handled me like meat
You’d have to be a man to know
How good that feels, how sweet

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

 

[Sathoris]

For me it is a break of the rules. The rules say you shall not say what info you got in a PM stating that it was from a PM. This is very much my personality coming in here. I always play by the rules and consider them to be very serious.

Good luck claiming if you can't say what info you got in a pm.

 

[Sathoris]

I agree with BA's reasoning. First impression of Gwahir (and Sath, CG kinda already did that one) was not good. I see him mechanics fishing (I mislabled it role fishing, my bad) a very specific and rare instance, like him and his mafia buddy have these two abilities (or are planning to get them together) and want to sow maximum chaos into the town.

And how exactly is the mafia going to use these tools to get away from being lynched? Every single mafia helping ability requires 2 participants, a giver and receiver. When the mass claim happens tomorrow of today' s actions, it will be very easy to scrutinize and decipher if any power roles were used in an anti-town manner. If a kingmaker is claimed and used the role (they damn well should) then a second person will have to confirm that. If people are dead and no one claims king maker one day, and the next day we get a kingmaker claim, it will be very possible to figure out what role is really dead leading us directly to scum. Plus, a mime or frankenstein can test / find previous/current claims that don't hold water. The fortune teller role is exactly the same. Someone will have to claim it tomorrow, and if the card they doled out doesnt exist the next night.

Yes it's easy now, but to borrow something a nice phrase from the roles. You can contaminate samples.. However go ahead, I'm just wary people will rely on the claims and results like they did in my game and that definately won't work here.

I agree with your last paragraph, but nothing else. Especially not the bear rug. Let me explain: To me, the wait 24 hours before claims has to be the biggest "i'm mafia" statement. Only one role (politician) requires action the first 24 hours. and it would be hard to drive for a mislynch that early. The mafia loves it when the town is in limbo waiting, because proper scum hunting will be fruitless and or forgotten when the claims start happening, crunching the day in half and leading to hasty decisions. The spammer seems easy to combat of course, if someone is about to get lynched, makes 40 posts and lives, they are obviously not town. Is it bad for the town to worry about self preservation if the mafia are not paying attention, or a bus driver redirects a mafia kill to a death immune townie?

But that is a likely outcome when we all first claim what roles we had, what actions we used, and if targeted people can confirm those actions. However I think we should drop this for now and see how it all plays out tomorrow.

 

[Sathoris]

But roles stick through the night, thus making role fishing just as scummy as any other game.

But lots of actions make succesfull specifically targeted NK's rare.

 

[Sathoris]

@ sath, why are you so opposed to the idea of next-day claiming? everyone else here that has mentioned it is in favour. It should be helpful for the town, and it may end up wasting a lot of time, but overall it is most likely to be a great info gathering asset.

with every post you seem to push against this concept further!

If you actually read my posts correctly I'm warming to it instead of opposing. I already said I am in favor of roleclaiming and claiming your targets. As some roles in the hand of mafia can't then use it in their favour. However, cross referencing actions through multiple days isn't going to work and I (note, you do whatever you want) won't be relying on those results and I'm warning others that they shouldn't either.

 

[Sathoris]

You're the one overcomplicating things, and you're seemingly the only one against the idea. Nowhere did I say that "On day 4 we must spend three quarters of the day discussing only past actions!" What I meant was, and I think you know this, that WITH the information available to us, it's easier to catch players in a lie somewhere down the road in the past. It makes securing lynches on suspects easier. Let's say I suspected Kegs (I actually do) of being mafia, and it's day 4. We have the information of what Kegs has claimed to have done during the past nights. If there are errors, or someone can contradict any of them, we have more information to work towards a succesful mafia lynch.

Sigh, doesn't anyone get my point as a warning? I can't stop you from doing what you want to do. I've never been a player to analyse every role and action. We haven't even seen the effects of any role yet, let's just calm down and see how fast/good we can sift through the actions tomorrow.

 

[Kestegs]

Agreed re: mafia BFF. Hopefully it will all come out in the wash. I'm sort of getting a handle on the Forensic Scientist. I think this one (results/actions) needs to be openly discussed on a regular basis. I realize there is always potential for filthy stinkin' lyin' but as was stated before...mo info is mo bettah!!

Oh and stop staring at my chesticles....my eyes are up here MartinLong...:nono:

How do you feel about mo money?

But lots of actions make succesfull specifically targeted NK's rare.

So you're saying that given how many ways a target can change or be blocked/saved/whatever during the night that it doesn't really matter?

 

[Kestegs]

Also....spam, much?

 

[Gwaihir]

But lots of actions make succesfull specifically targeted NK's rare.

True, but should we give mafia any info that could allow them better chances? I am wary of people looking for information or survivor roles.

Sigh, doesn't anyone get my point as a warning? I can't stop you from doing what you want to do. I've never been a player to analyse every role and action. We haven't even seen the effects of any role yet, let's just calm down and see how fast/good we can sift through the actions tomorrow.

After a couple of clarifications I did. I don't completely agree with you, but I do remember you making similar comments previously.

I think claiming what you had the previous day is okay, but you bring up a good point. If it's going to dominate half of the days talk then I would for sure be against it as it's already difficult enough to secure a lynch sometimes.

On the other hand, I don't remember anything out of kegs like this before. I may be mistaken, but it seems to me that kegs jumped on the doubt Sath put forward as a method to try to discourage the idea without being the point man. Since that first comment he has been silent on the matter, letting Sath take all the heat. I find that to be the most suspicious thing so far.

Vote: kestegs

 

[Sathoris]

So you're saying that given how many ways a target can change or be blocked/saved/whatever during the night that it doesn't really matter?

Everything matters. And I blame you and Goryani for the spam. But it's been a long time without a vote from me :O

Vote: Malevolent

For earlier posts where, to me, it looks like he just wants to ride the heat on me without actually reading what I said.

 

[flubbucket1]

...just letting everyone know that over the next 2 days i have HEAPS of free time, so expect me to be on the ball for a change......

So you find the above statement dubious???

Everything matters. And I blame you and Goryani for the spam. But it's been a long time without a vote from me :O

Vote: Malevolent

For earlier posts where, to me, it looks like he just wants to ride the heat on me without actually reading what I said.

 

[Kestegs]

True, but should we give mafia any info that could allow them better chances? I am wary of people looking for information or survivor roles.

After a couple of clarifications I did. I don't completely agree with you, but I do remember you making similar comments previously.

On the other hand, I don't remember anything out of kegs like this before. I may be mistaken, but it seems to me that kegs jumped on the doubt Sath put forward as a method to try to discourage the idea without being the point man. Since that first comment he has been silent on the matter, letting Sath take all the heat. I find that to be the most suspicious thing so far.

Vote: kestegs

Errrr......

Don't make judgments without checking facts please?

Gory, or maybe sometime else asked me shortly after that post to clarify and I did further explain my thoughts. I'll look it up after I get home from work.

Everything matters. And I blame you and Goryani for the spam. But it's been a long time without a vote from me :O

Vote: Malevolent

For earlier posts where, to me, it looks like he just wants to ride the heat on me without actually reading what I said.

Blaming Canada would have been a much better choice.

 

[Malevolent]

i have been reading everything you say sath, and i am not ridfing the heat, im fact i am one creating a lot of it.

kestegs also does seem kind of suspicious gwai, but sath is just digging his grave, also his huge amount of posts makes me nervous too.

Vote: Sathoris

 

[Sathoris]

So you find the above statement dubious???

Yes that's exactly the one I meant. Great to be playing again with you Flub

 

[Goryani]

Vote Count:
Gwaihir - Bad Ash (1)
Sathoris - Ankeli, Malevolent (2)
kestegs - Gwaihir (1)
Malevolent - Sathoris (1)

Vote count updated through post #138.


In ~20 minutes, there will be 24 hours left in Day 1.

 

[Sathoris]

Yes that's exactly the one I meant. Great to be playing again with you Flub

I actually didn't properly read that post you quoted because I meant an obvious different one, but that post is a nice reminder to the following.