Mafia Game: Cheers/Frasier Theme

My own thought was that TC can be a bit Machiavellian in his game-design. I assume TC had some input into Thy's game?

I think it would tickle TC to create a game mechanism that relies on coincidental and convergent action by town and anti-town to achieve an effect. Thus the town waiters acting in concert (but accidentally and unknowingly) with the mafia side to spike a player's drink for whatever effect it might have.

Why not? That sounds exactly like the thinking of a TC to me.

/Morpheus Mode

I'm not sure if I should take that as a compliment or not.

However, all I did for this game was make sure that everything that Thyiad put together is suitable and balanced. One can never anticipate all the moves before the game actually begins.

Carry on.


 
Concerning my name: Have "you" figured out if the Cheers' players are scum and the Frazier players are town? Or vice versa?
How, exactly, does my name prove me being town? Me leaving it out mean I'm scum? I'm not going to go up and click the little inbox button and go to the pm that thy sent me stating my role.

@me claiming last: Someone had to. So, whoever claims last is scum?

More about my role: I have a chance to stop a lynch. I send in the name of the person who's lynch I want to stop. Has anyone else claimed 'saving' MartinLong? No? Is anyone sad that he didn't die? No? No one will claim that, will they? I'm claiming to have saved MartinLong. I'm claiming that I forgot to check back in the thread to save PCM and OMG. (I would have sent in OMG each time if he was still alive, tbh.) MartinLong was the only person I 100% wanted to save. Especially after MartinL claimed cop. I voted, sure. But I also saved him.

All I have figured out that scum came from both cheers and fraisier by using the wiki (Robin and Kelly seem to be from Cheers and Donny from Fraisier). Beyond that I have no idea, but I really know nothing of either show. Does that mean someone else has not figured it out? Not at all. This is a themed game and names can be very useful to find scum. You holding it back makes me think that you might have a reason to think your name is scummy, which may be because it is.

As for claiming last, no it does not mean that you are scum. But if you claim first and make something up, you have a much higher chance of getting caught in a lie. Therefore, the later someone claims, the less likely they can be caught in a lie, and the more likely they are to be scum. You could be telling the truth, but you could also just be using something we don't know the cause of to make your story sound legit.

As for your targets (actual and claimed that you would have tried) : I see saving ML, and pancakeman as well. Why omg?


I honestly forgot who the other 2 were, but I've felt iffy about Moar since the mason thing came about. I'm actually less happy with flubb because of his randomness, now that I think about it.

Well they just revealed today, although I have suspected flubbs was a mason for a long time because of the roleplaying. Although I thought that the last one was nulio for a similar reason. As a question for the both flubb and nulio: were you required to RP?


Gwaihir
's claim seems a little suspect as well. The role he claimed is essentially an OP coroner. It is plausible, given the reveals, I am just not sure why Thy / TC wouldn't use a standard Coroner.

I was actually quite sad I got this style of coroner, as I feel it is less powerful. It seems better to get the death reveals as a PM from the mod. That way when it comes to claim time, you can spot mafia really easily if they start using fake claims they think are safe. In the current way, they know exactly what they can't claim, so you can't find them that way.


 
True on the corner. Never thought of that

to answer your question about why omg: I never wanted him to go in the first place. I believed his claim about being a survivor. Yeah, he lied about it, got lynched, and won. Yeah, he would have went for either team in the end. I just couldn't believe that nobody could just drop it. I wanted to lynch a lurker. Not someone who was willing to participate. (yes, he did lurk some the day lynched)
 
Well they just revealed today, although I have suspected flubbs was a mason for a long time because of the roleplaying. Although I thought that the last one was nulio for a similar reason. As a question for the both flubb and nulio: were you required to RP?



I was actually quite sad I got this style of coroner, as I feel it is less powerful. It seems better to get the death reveals as a PM from the mod. That way when it comes to claim time, you can spot mafia really easily if they start using fake claims they think are safe. In the current way, they know exactly what they can't claim, so you can't find them that way.

I see your point. I think the traditional coroner has a higher potential upside, with a lower average (I.E the ability to find scum from a false claim, vs. having to claim to provide information to the rest of the town). Whereas what you have probably has a higher average (in that you don't have to do anything except survive for the information to be provided to town). I was looking at it based on the average case, whereas you were looking at it from the best upside. Does that make sense?


 
I believe the name Caluin provided is true but for the rest of the claim I'm not as inclined to believe it as true.

Angry Ex-wife of Niles - this seems a little long for a faction name.

I agree with pharphis that bomb might have been claimed just to explain why he's still alive as the days go by.

He's also been a bit vague for some of his reasons in voting. Often saying this person is the scummiest but not elaborating on why.

Vote 1: Caluin Graye
 
I'm not sure if I should take that as a compliment or not.

However, all I did for this game was make sure that everything that Thyiad put together is suitable and balanced. One can never anticipate all the moves before the game actually begins.

Carry on.

I don't trust this person at all.

And nobody tells me to roleplay .....except in the bedroom :wink2:


 
I see your point. I think the traditional coroner has a higher potential upside, with a lower average (I.E the ability to find scum from a false claim, vs. having to claim to provide information to the rest of the town). Whereas what you have probably has a higher average (in that you don't have to do anything except survive for the information to be provided to town). I was looking at it based on the average case, whereas you were looking at it from the best upside. Does that make sense?

Yeah, actually that makes sense. Basically this role is more consistent, while the other method is swingy (for better or worse).

Anyways, where did everyone go? Please tell me people are not just giving up for the day.


 
So do you think pancake was wrong, and there is not actually a second mafia group? Sam's eavesdropping proved true once, I don't see why the 2 mafia groups would be less likely to be true.

I was thinking a recruiter would be easier to balance in a one mafia setting than in a two mafia setting. And I was thinking he was mostly guessing on the masons being mafia but I guess it was two mafia regardless of the masons.



 
Yeah, actually that makes sense. Basically this role is more consistent, while the other method is swingy (for better or worse).

Anyways, where did everyone go? Please tell me people are not just giving up for the day.

I'm happy with my votes (CG and Jcakes - not so much because CG wants him lynched) and I don't have much else to say for now.

Though I was going to add this but forgot earlier; I additionally think that CG claimed his bomb effect was night only so that it would come across as "oh - he's not trying to hide behind a lynch bomb threat. . . he must be town!"

@All,
Question: Who thinks CG is being honest?

I don't remember reading him being locked, so. . .
Yeah, I'll take of the cakes vote.

Unvote 2: Jcakes


 
Sorry, I have had a bad day today and am still not feeling for posting. It looks like it will be difficult to lynch today. I'm willing to vote for either coju or Pyro. I will also vote for CG if that avoids a no vote.

@pharphis

Why did you unvote Jcakes?
 
I was thinking a recruiter would be easier to balance in a one mafia setting than in a two mafia setting. And I was thinking he was mostly guessing on the masons being mafia but I guess it was two mafia regardless of the masons.

I wonder if the hotcakes man could have gotten the mason/pyro drink spiking as some sort of activity and interpreted it as dual mafia.

Malevolent was a recruiter so could there be others??

I don't see definitive evidence of two mafia factions. However I do see evidence of a no lynch day!!


 
I wonder if the hotcakes man could have gotten the mason/pyro drink spiking as some sort of activity and interpreted it as dual mafia.

Malevolent was a recruiter so could there be others??

I don't see definitive evidence of two mafia factions. However I do see evidence of a no lynch day!!

We don't want a no lynch, do we?

Pharphis seems to be confident about CG. He is not my first target, but that bomb claiming seems off. A bomb should claim some other power role and try to get the mafia to target them for a NK. Even more so with so many "savers" out off the game.

Vote 1: Caluin Graye



 
@All,
Question: Who thinks CG is being honest?

I'm really sorry that I'm not participating much. I'm having trouble trying to read the players and add something to the discussion.

But I do think CG has to go, this looked weird to me at the time and was what "started the kill" on Noodle. The way he jumped on the wagon. I might be risking being completely unfair but...

I'm perfectly comfortable with a Jcakes lynch, but also happy with a Noodle lynch, so I'd be willing to switch.

Unvote 1: Jcakes
Vote 1: Noodle

Or maybe was Moar that started it?

I am really not comfortable with Jcakes getting lynched. Anybody around and willing to vote for Noodle?

Why weren't you comfortable then but are now?


 

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