Roles of Madness. Mafia Thread

[Pyrotechnician1]

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Forgot a person I find interesting:

Laarz:
-Vote history doesn't line up too nicely
-Not enough activity to get a pin on him which is conerning

 

[flubbucket1]

Re: Roles of Madness. Mafia Thread

Forgot a person I find interesting:

Laarz:
-Vote history doesn't line up too nicely
-Not enough activity to get a pin on him which is conerning

Finally something we can agree on! The idea voting a fellow mafia seems retarded to me especially since it was his first game or some such. Regarding Valhauros, his role was that of Martyr. Hardly seems like that of a mafia, so I'm taking the best guess approach.

Laarz' lurking and LozHinge's mind farting have me seriously considering changing my vote.

Something has to happen soon or this day will go bust!!!

 

[flubbucket1]

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BA, how do you feel about the fact that Ankeli threatened you yesterday, and then appears to have killed and been killed by no less than Noodle, your very own noodlenemesisisis?
Is the delicious joy and irony - from your point of view - beyond description, or can you describe it?

Hmm. No vote from him on Day1 or Day3 as far as I can tell, and a distancing vote on Day2 for Autti which happened to go the distance ... I wish to vote flubbucket today.

Vote: flubbucket

Lookitthat ... I wish I had a million dollars, U.S. ....

...

ah well. :shrug:

BTW LozHinge, why do you wish you had a million dollars, U.S.???

 

[Kestegs]

If you look at my comments today I don't really consider it flip flopping on gwaihir. He has been a person of interest all day and information on him has slowly filtered out. I've done a lot of thinking out loud, which I see now makes me look bad. When I placed my vote I had made up my mind that he was the best option at the time.

On cop results: I'm suspicious of cop results in EVERY game. I believe they are a good supplement to post/vote history. If gory or foe turned up a guilty today I would have issue. If sath, flubb, or gwaihir turned up guilty I would not be terribly surprised. They are on a case by case basis for me. This is especially true in a game with all power roles.

I hope that makes sense.

 

[LozHinge the Unhinged]

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I don't really wish I had a million dollars, U.S., flub. I mean, where would I put it?

 

[Goryani]

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I think I have PM'd RE about 5 times this game about specific details about my role. While not all were answered, I can understand being confused about how the role works. No apology needed, I assume so far you are just trying to find scum. I have tried to be clear, but it is not exactly easy.

I'd like to hear the questions you asked of RE. In particular, the questions he didn't answer.


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Players I won't be voting for today:
Me
FoE
coju
flubbucket


Players I don't want to vote for today:
Bad Ash
Sathoris
Gwaihir

That leaves:
Pyrotechnician
Caluin Graye
kestegs
LozHinge the Unhinged
Laarz

Reasons:
I'm not going to vote myself.

I trust FoE implicitly and will do so unless an alignment changing role appears.

With an innocent cop investigation and him telling the 'truth' about his own monk/cop role, I trust coju. I believe him when he says he got an innocent result on korial and he acted accordingly. I dearly wish he'd keep better notes the rest of the game though.

flubbucket has been leading the charge against the anti-town lynched so far: not just voting for them, but interrogating them so we have something to vote on. He's said a number of things that have later proven true (about Autti and Noodle).

Bad Ash has voiced suspicion of the anti-town lynched thus far before the lynching trains materialized. He claimed when a tracking result found a possible Noodle killer.

Sathoris wouldn't hesitate one bit to throw a fellow mafia under the bus and he hasn't shown the least bit of interest in doing so. I don't think he's mafia. Maybe SK, but not mafia.

Gwaihir - I think he has the role he claimed. I think it isn't an anti-town role. I think he will side with whomever is holding his wand. :jig: Right now, that's the town. As long as townies have the wands, I see no reason to lynch Gwaihir.


Before I continue... If there is someone among my 'won't/don't want to' lynch labels that is anti-town, I think it's Bad Ash. I believe BA is fully capable of throwing scum under the bus when he voiced suspicions of Autti and korial. Some of the mistakes were so bad that korial threw Autti under the bus (BA referenced this in 272) so I've no doubt other mafia might do so. Plus, Bad Ash has claimed to be able to use one of two possible abilities at night, which is exactly like the lynched anti-town. A watcher/tracker is very possbily a mafia role in a game with 21 power roles. I don't like how BA has avoided answering what mode (tracker/watcher) he used on N2 and what his target was. I don't like how BA avoided answering if he considered using watcher to catch anyone targeting a claimed cop N1 or N1 or claimed coroner N2. And I don't like he continues to urge claimed power roles to reveal all their info before he goes on with his daily business.

Preview edit: I think BA claimed to have tracked Gwiahir N1. Gwaihir claimed to have targeted FoE N1. I think BA needs to explain his night actions and results again.

Posting this now as time is winding down.

 

[flubbucket1]

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If you look at my comments today I don't really consider it flip flopping on gwaihir. He has been a person of interest all day and information on him has slowly filtered out. I've done a lot of thinking out loud, which I see now makes me look bad. When I placed my vote I had made up my mind that he was the best option at the time.

On cop results: I'm suspicious of cop results in EVERY game. I believe they are a good supplement to post/vote history. If gory or foe turned up a guilty today I would have issue. If sath, flubb, or gwaihir turned up guilty I would not be terribly surprised. They are on a case by case basis for me. This is especially true in a game with all power roles.

I hope that makes sense.

No LozHinge or Laarz on your list?? You're killin' me, Smalls!!!

Why does my short list always seem to have you three lumped together no matter how hard I try to rectify and be logical??

 

[Laarz]

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Forgot a person I find interesting:

Laarz:
-Vote history doesn't line up too nicely
-Not enough activity to get a pin on him which is conerning

Its nice that you find me interesting, I explained my voting, you can believe it or not, my play is how I have always played. You guys all trust FoE town because he stole the cop role but you dont know if he was town or scum as the role stealer, something to think about.
You asked why I incluled you in a group yesterday Pryo, I know Goryani was correct with his read on me the first day, so I have to question the motives of people who have pointed the FoS at me so far. Foe could be town or he could be scum so far up the town *** it will be to late before we figure it out.

 

[Kestegs]

No LozHinge or Laarz on your list?? You're killin' me, Smalls!!!

Why does my short list always seem to have you three lumped together no matter how hard I try to rectify and be logical??

You should stop trying to rectify things

I don't have much of a read on either one of those people. Lurkers will lurk. Although LoZ has been a bit more active today.

 

[Pyrotechnician1]

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Preview edit: I think BA claimed to have tracked Gwiahir N1. Gwaihir claimed to have targeted FoE N1. I think BA needs to explain his night actions and results again.

I think BA claimed to have tried to track Gwaihir N2 but was blocked, and then did so again on N3, he never made mention of his N1 target as far as I'm aware from recalling his posts.

 

[Pyrotechnician1]

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Its nice that you find me interesting, I explained my voting, you can believe it or not, my play is how I have always played. You guys all trust FoE town because he stole the cop role but you dont know if he was town or scum as the role stealer, something to think about.
You asked why I incluled you in a group yesterday Pryo, I know Goryani was correct with his read on me the first day, so I have to question the motives of people who have pointed the FoS at me so far. Foe could be town or he could be scum so far up the town *** it will be to late before we figure it out.

I don't trust him because he stole the role cop, I trust him because he brought up a guilty result on someone and imagine that, they were mafia. Role theif could be town or anti-town, but why would a mafia member distinctly give out a guilty result on one of their own teammates, when a train was already being formed on someone completely different? It just doesn't add up. I would think it would be poor strategy to stop a train on someone and sacrifice your own team member, even if you were trying to blend in with the town. If he is mafia, he is doing a damn good job of hiding it.

You know Goryani was correct, but your the only one that knows that. To the rest of us that is circumstantial. D1/N1 investigation results have not proven to be reliable this far, so why would your case be different?

 

[Gwaihir]

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I'd like to hear the questions you asked of RE. In particular, the questions he didn't answer.

Just saw this, I will read other posts after I respond.

Questions:

1) Do my wards actually do anything - no, except possibly confuse people
2) Will I be informed when I win, if I am blocked, if I am bussed- I am informed as soon as I win. As for the others, he was unsure as he did not intend for me to have an informational role, but the info did directly relate to my win condition. He said he would try to figure out a compromise if it happened. (I did receive a pm on night 2 that I was blocked)
3) Can my role be stolen, and if it does do I retain my win condition - No comment (most worrisome answer ever)
4) Can I win after death (If I am dead and all other people have wards, if Ankeli's claimed power handed one out, etc) - No, I must be alive to win.

 

[Goryani]

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Pyro - Calm and subdued this game compared to last. His chief contributions consist of 'active listening' - he basically repeats someone using his own phraseology. All but one of his votes were reactionary and following the well established daily lynch train. That lone exception vote was for Sathoris on D3. He voted Skjolde because Skjolde had 1 more vote than Autti. I'm not getting an overwhelming townie feel for Pyro.

Vote: Pyrotechnician

It's enough for me to vote while look at the rest.

 

[Laarz]

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Now thats just confusing again Gwaihir 4) Can I win after death (If I am dead and all other people have wards, if Ankeli's claimed power handed one out, etc) - No, I must be alive to win.

 

[Gwaihir]

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Gwaihir - I think he has the role he claimed. I think it isn't an anti-town role. I think he will side with whomever is holding his wand. :jig: Right now, that's the town. As long as townies have the wands, I see no reason to lynch Gwaihir.

So to win I need everyone in town to hold my wand. Is there one of those faces for horrified?

 

[Caluin Graye]

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You asked why I incluled you in a group yesterday Pryo, I know Goryani was correct with his read on me the first day, so I have to question the motives of people who have pointed the FoS at me so far. Foe could be town or he could be scum so far up the town *** it will be to late before we figure it out.

Why should we trust Goryani's read on you when Goryani himself doesn't trust it? (Reference post #886)

You're trying very hard to ride that innocent result all the way to the end.

I don't trust him because he stole the role cop, I trust him because he brought up a guilty result on someone and imagine that, they were mafia. Role theif could be town or anti-town, but why would a mafia member distinctly give out a guilty result on one of their own teammates, when a train was already being formed on someone completely different? It just doesn't add up. I would think it would be poor strategy to stop a train on someone and sacrifice your own team member, even if you were trying to blend in with the town. If he is mafia, he is doing a damn good job of hiding it.

I remember you saying something very similar last game. It was also about FoE. He was also 'confirmed town'. He was also mafia.

History repeating itself?

 

[Laarz]

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And if you were innocent you wouldn't CG?

 

[Pyrotechnician1]

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Pyro - Calm and subdued this game compared to last. His chief contributions consist of 'active listening' - he basically repeats someone using his own phraseology. All but one of his votes were reactionary and following the well established daily lynch train. That lone exception vote was for Sathoris on D3. He voted Skjolde because Skjolde had 1 more vote than Autti. I'm not getting an overwhelming townie feel for Pyro.

Vote: Pyrotechnician

It's enough for me to vote while look at the rest.

I think the reasoning behind voting for Skjolde at the time was it was going to be my last post of the day phase and SK had the majority number of votes at the time. Both of them made major slip ups so it was difficult to discern between them which was more scummy.

Yes, I will admit that I have been more subdued then last game and its mainly because playing the way I did last game got me into one too many situations which ultimately ended up distracting the town more then anything. I really wanted to try to avoid that situation again in this game and take a more conservative approach so that we could actually keep focus rather then wasting half a day phase. Believe me if it comes down to it I will make more walls of text if necessary.

So to win I need everyone in town to hold my wand. Is there one of those faces for horrified?

So are you saying you rather see the scum win?

Why should we trust Goryani's read on you when Goryani himself doesn't trust it? (Reference post #886)

You're trying very hard to ride that innocent result all the way to the end.



I remember you saying something very similar last game. It was also about FoE. He was also 'confirmed town'. He was also mafia.

History repeating itself?

I very much agree with your first part, the second part actually concerns me more then anything. Whats the possibility that the role theif was originally a town role? He could be playing the same game as when he claimed killing Laarz in last game and sacrificed Korial in order to build town cred. I still don't get why he would stop the train on Val though with that information.

 

[Laarz]

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What bothers me about Gwaihir's win-con is that he doesn't have to help the town because of the scum win-con

Pro-town: You win when all anti-town threats are dead.

Cult: You win when your numbers equal that of the rest town and nothing can prevent you from winning

 

[Goryani]

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CG - As usual, playing things close to the vest. I can believe CG being mafia and still voting the way he has voted. However, some pressure on Autti and korial before they were lynched (before lynch trains) puts him low on the lynch rankings for me, compared to others I'd possibly vote for today.

kestegs - At first I thought he was trying the sculpt the D1 vote away from Autti and on to Skjolde with phrases like:
"Looks like a lot of flip floppy behavior going on. I'll leave my vote where it is for now and check back in in about an hour before bed."
"I'll leave my vote where it is then."
I thought maybe he was the one to say they were voting Skjolde because Skjolde had 1 more vote than Autti, but then I looked back and saw that honor belonged to Pyro. The scupting is still possible and believable. But without the "I'm voting for someone with one more vote" lynchpin the rest of the sculpting isn't as clear. kestegs may have placed his vote on Skjolde to move Skjolde closer to a tie with Autti. Don't have time to check for that right now.

Loz - Like Pyro and kestegs, his vote for Skjolde over Autti came at a pivotal time. I'm solidly convinced there is at least one scum between the three. Was very concerned with whether the lynching vote or locking vote of the bomb would kill a fellow mafioso. Post 396 seems to chastize players for picking on the newbies even though Loz himself voted that way.

Laarz - Quite often the holder of fewest posts per day award and this game seems no different. He's asked a couple of questions of others but I don't see much follow up to those questions - I don't see the answers or responses affecting how Laarz votes. That's usually a key indicator for pro-town Laarz. Especially a power role pro-town Laarz. A bit more defensive than usual.