Black Blood Brothers Mafia Thread

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The 12 remaining gathered, and started off discussing the horror of last nights attack, before Caluin stepped foward and announced
"I know who is a kowloon child, it is Goryani", most the townsfolk agreed quite quickly, then for some reason lost their memory of this, a slight reminder, soon had them accusing goryani again, and he was quickly undisputidly accused.

"You do seem sure of this" mused the OCC chairman. "Let's hope for your sake you are right", he signaled to his supression team again who opened fire with a P90, the bullets raced towards goryani but stopped mid air, against an invisible barrier.

"Hide hand!" yelled the supression team, "Who has anti-kowloon equipment? Fire now." Another salvo of silver bullets came racing towards Goryani from a different direction and struck him on his flank, he fell to one knee, smoke ebbing from his wounds.

"Any last words, Kowloon child?" said the chairman putting his own silver pistol to his head, but goryani only laughed as the trigger was pulled.

Goryani has been lynched - Johan Tsang - Kowloon Child - Vanillia

it is now Night 2 Night will end in 24 hours hours at 1am GMT Saturday (8pm EST Friday, 7pm CET Friday). If you have night actions, pm me.
 
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Morning dawns and all 11 gather around the chairmans desk

Several checks to make sure all 11 are alive.

"So all 11 of you are alive? We appear to have them on the run, who else is of kowloon blood?" He points to you all "Well?"

Nobody has died

It is Day 3, there are 11 alive. It takes 6 to lynch and 7 to lock.

Day ends in 48 hours (7pm CET Sunday) or at lock.
 
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Time to analyze Goryani's play. Granted only a day and a half worth of information, but better than nothing.

First, most obvious thing, is Goryani's interactions with FredofErik. While I consider Goryani to be a bright enough player to create faked friction amongst himself and his scum team, Day One is a bit early to start bussing on a fellow scum buddy. I'm okay with trusting FoE as town for the time being.

Speaking of FredofErik, the other person to hone in on him was Ankeli. Possibly the scum team felt FoE was an easy mark, so decided to see if the town would follow along if a couple 'townie' people pushed on him a bit? Goryani had no direct interactions with Ankeli. Casual distancing between scum buddies? Or just circumstantial? It's not enough to make me claim Ankeli is scum or town in either way, but still worth pointing out.

Val - did you mean to lock up Goryani and end the day early?

Lastly, and arguably the most important - Flip. Goryani was the most (read: only) defender of you after I prodded you a little bit. He also engaged you quite a bit in direct conversation, but didn't accuse you of anything. This particular quote I find quite interesting:
Goryani said:
You think KC is a hybrid mafia + cult and can choose to either night kill or recruit. Based on later statements, I think that you think that the KC would choose recruitment over killing. Not needing to decipher deaths has more to do with mafia choosing recruitment over killing rather than a lack of killers.

Is that a pretty good summary or am I way off base?
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This almost sounds like he's trying to coach you, guide you towards an answer of a question posed of you.

So, I guess what I'm getting at - there appears to be a direct, noticeable link between you and a confirmed scum player. Is there anything you can say or do to suggest that this link is false? If no, then is there a reason why we shouldn't go through with a lynch on you today?



 
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Well first things first...I voted for Goryani yesterday. The forums were all whacked out, and if no one wants to believe that, thats fine. The rollback happened and was unexpected. I wasn't around at the end of yesterday so who knows.

In other news, since I figure I am going to be a hot topic today, might as well come out with it.

I am a black blood vampire, jailkeeper, and protown. Last night I jailed Thundercat...Whether this was the result for no kill, I can not say, but I would like to test that theory. The night before I jailed Noodle because he voted for coju and was pro-town and had no read on him (and it was Noodle).

There could be other explanations for the no kill, but thats what I did on my part.

Willing to hear others opinions before throwing a vote, but thats where I am leaning as of right now
 
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Bad Ash said:
Well first things first...I voted for Goryani yesterday. The forums were all whacked out, and if no one wants to believe that, thats fine. The rollback happened and was unexpected. I wasn't around at the end of yesterday so who knows.

In other news, since I figure I am going to be a hot topic today, might as well come out with it.

I am a black blood vampire, jailkeeper, and protown. Last night I jailed Thundercat...Whether this was the result for no kill, I can not say, but I would like to test that theory. The night before I jailed Noodle because he voted for coju and was pro-town and had no read on him (and it was Noodle).

There could be other explanations for the no kill, but thats what I did on my part.

Willing to hear others opinions before throwing a vote, but thats where I am leaning as of right now
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I do remember seeing BA vote for Gory before the erasure. Not sure what to think about the role reveal, but seems reasonable to me, but any reason you left out your first night target and name?

Noodle, TC, and Leo have all not said much, which doesn't prove anything one way or another.

As for suspicious people, I agree with CG that Flip has made a few odd remarks, and Gory did defend him. But would Gory go out on a limb for a fellow mafia, or would he stand back more?

My real top suspect is kegs. The two main quotes that threw me off were the first day, when his response to coju was that "there may be a reason to suspect me." The other one was yesterday. You didn't say much except one thing. Paraphrasing "Just because you turn in Gory, doesn't mean you are confirmed town." It is very hard to be 100% sure in any game, but someone coming forward day 2 with someone there was no suspicion on? Seems to me you might just be trying to throw doubt on a townie.

On the other hand, that is just a theory, where as Bad Ash seems to have a bit less circumstantial evidence.


 
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I'm also on the train that voted for Gory early enough to be effed over by the forums.

My assault on FoE stands, and au contraire to what you think Cal, I hold Goryani in high enough value to actually think that he'd done the small prod towards FoE even if they were teamed up. I'm going to stick with my pre-goryani-vote-that-didn't-count and

Vote: FredOfErik

The other ones I could see myself voting for would be BA, he's been awfully passive compared to his usual self, as well as Noodle. Maybe even Kegs for reasons Gwaihir mentioned.

BA, who do you consider to have acted in the least pro-town fashion during the past few days?
Noodle, howcome you really haven't found any suspects on your own? Are you busy or are you just mellow, or perhaps a Kowlowhatevertheywere Kid?
 
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kestegs said:
Wow, you almost sound like you have information to back that up. I can see why you'd want to try to get me lynched though.
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I think this may be what you are referencing? It's a bit of a stretch the way you worded it. It means: I can see why you would want to get me lynched. (at that point I'm assuming he is anti-town)

As for me casting doubt on CG being 100% town, I have a bit of new information. I was really hoping not to reveal this info as it makes me a bit less useful once the mafia know it, but the town needs to know it. I am 99% sure that the KC can sire. That is because I am sire immune. That is why I asked what sire was on D1, because I really din't know what my sire immunity does. That is also why I said on D2 that I was surprised that there was a NK at all, as I figured that the KC would sire someone instead. I have been toying with the idea that they may have sired CG, as I cannot think of a better target to sire than a recently confirmed townie. I'm not ready to vote for our only confirmed townie at this point, but it's something to be aware of.


 
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I did not leave out any of my targets kestegs it is all in that first post of mine of this day phase
 
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Bad Ash said:
I did not leave out any of my targets kestegs it is all in that first post of mine of this day phase
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I'm not sure what you mean by that. I am not saying that you didn't jail TC last night, or that it could be the reason for no NK.


 
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kestegs said:
I think this may be what you are referencing? It's a bit of a stretch the way you worded it. It means: I can see why you would want to get me lynched. (at that point I'm assuming he is anti-town)

As for me casting doubt on CG being 100% town, I have a bit of new information. I was really hoping not to reveal this info as it makes me a bit less useful once the mafia know it, but the town needs to know it. I am 99% sure that the KC can sire. That is because I am sire immune. That is why I asked what sire was on D1, because I really din't know what my sire immunity does. That is also why I said on D2 that I was surprised that there was a NK at all, as I figured that the KC would sire someone instead. I have been toying with the idea that they may have sired CG, as I cannot think of a better target to sire than a recently confirmed townie. I'm not ready to vote for our only confirmed townie at this point, but it's something to be aware of.
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Interesting. This makes sense lore-wise, and a very important piece of information. Also explains the comment I thought was suspicious.

So I still think that the first night had to be a death caused by a KC - vampire bite, and in the story only KC will kill their victim. So maybe they have an option on which they can do, or a limitation on how many they can sire. I don't think they could have the option for both each night, that would be powerful beyond belief.

So there seems to be suspicion on FoE from Ankeli, flip from CG, and TC from Bad Ash. Of these, TC seems like he may be the best option.

I am also curious at the lack of people revealing names. I don't understand why you would claim a role but then not give a name to help back it up. Not that they can be always trusted, but more info would help the town.


 
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Gwaihir said:
So there seems to be suspicion on FoE from Ankeli, flip from CG, and TC from Bad Ash. Of these, TC seems like he may be the best option.
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I would like to hear what Flip has to say about my accusations before I commit to anyone being a better option than anyone else.

Gwaihir said:
I am also curious at the lack of people revealing names. I don't understand why you would claim a role but then not give a name to help back it up. Not that they can be always trusted, but more info would help the town.
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Knowledge is power. By revealing names, you're giving the scum team information on who may or may not be a power role. Perhaps not directly, but it's something they can work with to narrow down choices for targets. What you're requesting is akin (hah! Pun.) to a mass reveal, which I think it is still too early for.

I would suggest waiting a day before asking for a mass name reveal.

Bad Ash said:
There could be other explanations for the no kill, but thats what I did on my part.
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I went back and forth about deciding if I wanted to reveal this, but figure it's in the town's best interest if I did. In addition to my one-shot cop ability, I also had a one-shot doctor ability, which I used on myself last night. This is why I was not too interested in revealing my name yesterday when Gwaihir asked for it.

In the interest in full disclosure, I have two more one-shot abilities at my disposal, one of which I plan on using tonight. My last, most important ability, I plan on saving until the time is perfectly right.



 
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Caluin

Looking back I think Gory was trying to hide in plain sight and was posting to look as town as possible. That's why he questioned me. I also think I probably hit the nail on the head with Kestegs' revalation now that he "Cannot be sired". Why would there be somebody immune to being turned if it wasn't part of the game? You can also ask yourself - why would I push for revealing Mafia's possible tactics if I were one of them? Also - why would I be so adamant about the possibility of turning players?

On to the game
I never proposed multiple night actions - I said I beleive the kowloon can Either: Turn or Kill. With Sire immune players in the game I think it is now fact.

As of now I'm leaning towards Kestegs, Myself, Caluin, Bad Ash and Noodle as being town.

I'd like to know why Val shut yesterday down so early?

I also find it stange how quiet TC and Leo are.
 
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I'm not quiet on purpose. I'm just finding it hard to find the time to post. I should be OK starting from Monday.

Adding a name to a claim might be a bad thing, but it also helps the town poke holes into a claim, ask questions, get more people talking. And, that's what the towns needs in the end.

Before it gets too late and there won't be any time, I will claim that I am pro town and I have an ability for which I did not receive my result last night. Weather Bad Ash is a pro town or anti town jail keeper / blocker, I'm not sure.

Until Caluin Graye claimed his 1 shot doctor ability, I thought I was the one who was targeted by the mafia. However, now it seems it could have been either me or Caluin.

I would like to hear everyone's opinions on who they think was the target and why.
 
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Caluin Graye said:
Knowledge is power. By revealing names, you're giving the scum team information on who may or may not be a power role. Perhaps not directly, but it's something they can work with to narrow down choices for targets. What you're requesting is akin (hah! Pun.) to a mass reveal, which I think it is still too early for.
I would suggest waiting a day before asking for a mass name reveal.


I went back and forth about deciding if I wanted to reveal this, but figure it's in the town's best interest if I did. In addition to my one-shot cop ability, I also had a one-shot doctor ability, which I used on myself last night. This is why I was not too interested in revealing my name yesterday when Gwaihir asked for it.
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ThunderCat said:
Adding a name to a claim might be a bad thing, but it also helps the town poke holes into a claim, ask questions, get more people talking. And, that's what the towns needs in the end.

Until Caluin Graye claimed his 1 shot doctor ability, I thought I was the one who was targeted by the mafia. However, now it seems it could have been either me or Caluin.
I would like to hear everyone's opinions on who they think was the target and why.
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I agree that a name is definitely knowledge. And I agree it is likely not time for a mass claim. On the other hand, when someone does make a claim on a role, a name can go a long way to confirming that role. And if they have a power, it makes them a target for mafia. And in this game, if they die, that info goes to only the mafia.

CG, I think you made the right move in not revealing yesterday as you knew you could keep yourself alive last night. You also found a mafia that no one had been suspicious about, with no suspicion on yourself, which also says town to me, and for that reason, I didn't push it.

On the other hand, in the case of Bad Ash, why not claim? Jailkeep is a reasonably powerful role, and is likely to be a target. Also, he was already under some suspicion, and his role itself is just as likely to be mafia. So why claim everything about your role except a name?

TC - The highest likelyhood in my opinion is that CG was the target last night. The second was that you were the hitman. You being the victim is actually behind both of those. Granted, this comes mostly from a probability standpoint.


 
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Gwaihir said:
I agree that a name is definitely knowledge. And I agree it is likely not time for a mass claim. On the other hand, when someone does make a claim on a role, a name can go a long way to confirming that role. And if they have a power, it makes them a target for mafia. And in this game, if they die, that info goes to only the mafia.
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Emphasis on the bold.

There's only one group of people that would know that. Mafia getting role reveals isn't exactly standard practice and yet you seem sure that they are receiving that info.


 
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Gwaihir said:
And in this game, if they die, that info goes to only the mafia.
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Now, that was clumsy.

Vote: Gwaihir

Actually had a pro-town read on you, but that there just seems like an obvious slip-up.

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I believe Cal, and am going to assume BA (I would like his name) is town for now.


 
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My name is Cain. I am also a werewolf apparently.

Ankeli, obviously my most suspicious is TC because I jailkept him last night. Not sure what other answer you would expect.

For those who are still not reading my first post (kestegs) as I said before, I jailed Noodle on the first night.

TC is being very quiet and jumping on bandwagons and is not TC-ish play.

Other possible explanations: TC was targeted for a kill last night (highly unlikely)
CG was targeted for a kill last night (pretty likely)
The mafia forgot to send in a kill (not likely)
TC was the hitman and was jailkept.

Which option do we want to go down here?
 
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