Ravenwood Retreat Mafia Game.

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I watched over Zarniwoop.

I didn't see Ivan target him, so I can conclude Ivan didn't pass a kit to him. I didn't receive a kit, so it wasn't me. And judging by CgB's response, he didn't get a kit either.

So, it's safe to assume that no kit was made and passed out?
 
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Oh I made one I just did not send it out last night, if I sent it out there is a chance the serial killer could get it and just deny they ever got it, its very possible things could get messy - its would not have worked till the coming night either (whats the point) if we vote wrong today we have lost - if we vote right we win. I also thought I could use it myself turns out that's not correct, I have to pass the forensic kit.

I'll not be on for a few hours its very very late now - probably tomorrow afternoon before i'm back.
 
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Struggling to make a choice.

Everyone has at least a partial alibi.

I have a VERY busy morning. I will be on later today to make a thorough job of re-reading at least the last half of the game before I make my choice.
 
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In the interest in provoking discussion (otherwise this will be a very boring day), I'm going to lay out my night actions.

First off, everyone should fully role claim, even if you've done so before. As I've said before, I'm the Investigative Reporter. I know Zarni has role-claimed City-Slicker. I know CgB claimed Doctor. And I know KI claimed a scientist of some sort, but don't think he gave a specific name to it.

Next, my night actions. They've all been posted somewhere in this thread, but I'll consolidate them here for easy reference.

Night 1: CgB --> CgB
Night 2: Asrrin --> TC
Night 3: Ivan --> LozHinge
Night 4: Nobody --> Ivan
Night 5: CgB + Asrrin --> Ivan
Night 6: Nobody --> TC
Night 7: Sathoris + Ivan --> TC
Night 8: Nobody --> CgB
Night 9: CgB --> Zarniwoop

Those are my personal notes, since keeping every PM made for a large inbox. The name on the far right is who I watched. So, as an example, on night 9 I watched Zarniwoop and saw CgB target him.
 
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I assume the person on the right of the arrow is the person you watched, and the person(s) to the left are the people that visited said person?

In that case, what's the difference between cgb-->cgb and nobody-->cgb?
 
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Wow noodles woken up!

TC I would say Goryani as I agree with Caluin Graye his is the bigger payoff.

If I had to nail down the Mafia players (as many as five! - dear me) right now here is my the list - mainly going off yesterday really.

1. Noodle
2. Zarniwoop
3. Technomancer
4. Sathoris
5. Ankeli

If we have two factions going at it I wonder if they are aware of each other - hopefully they might do damage to each other as it seems townies are getting rare!


From Page 51 was not a bad guess at the time!


 
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I assume the person on the right of the arrow is the person you watched, and the person(s) to the left are the people that visited said person?

In that case, what's the difference between cgb-->cgb and nobody-->cgb?

Yes, that's correct. CgB --> CgB means that he targeted himself that night. (We assume that was because it was night 1 and he was protecting himself)



 
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In the interest in provoking discussion (otherwise this will be a very boring day), I'm going to lay out my night actions.

First off, everyone should fully role claim, even if you've done so before. As I've said before, I'm the Investigative Reporter. I know Zarni has role-claimed City-Slicker. I know CgB claimed Doctor. And I know KI claimed a scientist of some sort, but don't think he gave a specific name to it.

Next, my night actions. They've all been posted somewhere in this thread, but I'll consolidate them here for easy reference.

Night 1: CgB --> CgB
Night 2: Asrrin --> TC
Night 3: Ivan --> LozHinge
Night 4: Nobody --> Ivan
Night 5: CgB + Asrrin --> Ivan
Night 6: Nobody --> TC
Night 7: Sathoris + Ivan --> TC
Night 8: Nobody --> CgB
Night 9: CgB --> Zarniwoop

Those are my personal notes, since keeping every PM made for a large inbox. The name on the far right is who I watched. So, as an example, on night 9 I watched Zarniwoop and saw CgB target him.


Yeah I'll start compiling what I did and post back this evening with all the detail


 
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Its actually quite fun reading this thread back with what we know - when I accused Loz of being mafia because he received my kit on night two (my first action - building kit night 1) and still accused me he got dog piled from players we know now to be mafia! haha (p41)

As for my role CG I was told my role was as a scientist staying at the resort - I build forensic kits to help out (1 shot allowed per kit details of how it works are in the thread already) P.S. This fact is pretty much beyond reproach now

I also had a special build item (full DNA kit) that would take 2 day phases (started day 3) it got destroyed night 4 (when I was targeted) but I salvaged a kit from it and gave it to TC.

Night 6 I tried to give another kit to TC (as he used the one I gave him) - he was killed that night - Night 8 I gave no kit to anyone.

The SK strikes on opposite nights to me handing kits out - I think Uraj put this in for balance reasons we had a powerful mafia this game and with a SK too, this role could help the town find the mafia and the SK.

Not to toot my horn or anything but I've been quite pleased with the way I've played this game, its been a great read back I've definitely put the heat on the mafia over the days its been fun - just hope we get the lynch right today. I've still got no clue which of you I want to vote for :scratchchin:

I suppose the Ivan defence rests.
 
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Night 1 - Myself
Night 2 - Marahumm (Targeted because of his claim as cop)
Night 3 - Marahumm
Night 4 - TC (Because in case there were 2 bodies left, I would want them examined)
Night 5 - Krazey (Because of he announced he had a special item)
Night 6 - Myself (Because I was afraid due to just claiming)
Night 7 - Krazey (I wasn't sure if he had another nice item)
Night 8 - Cal (Helped lynch Sath)
Night 9 - Zarni (Only one left I fully trust)
 
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As for my role CG I was told my role was as a scientist staying at the resort - I build forensic kits to help out (1 shot allowed per kit details of how it works are in the thread already) P.S. This fact is pretty much beyond reproach now

Interesting; why do you specifically feel the need to point out the phrase "staying at the resort"? I mean, we're all staying here. Why is it important that your role has that mentioned when it's sort of redundant?

P.S. - I consider no fact beyond reproach. "Nothing is true, everything is permitted."

Before I visit other points, I just want to make sure the time line is absolutely clear, so forgive me if I repeat some information; it's all for the sake of clarity.

Night 1: No action
Night 2: No action
Night 3: Gives kit #1 to Loz
Night 4: No action
Night 5: Targeted for kill, 'Big project' is destroyed, instead gives kit #2 to TC
Night 6: No action
Night 7: Gives kit #3 to TC
Night 8: No action
Night 9: Kit made, but not passed on.

What I'd like to know is why there was no kit build night #1? We know you make kits every other day. So why did you skip a day before starting work on kits? Why did two full nights pass before you finally handed out your first on night 3? Why didn't you start work on a kit day #1, and start handing them out right away?

I also had a special build item (full DNA kit) that would take 2 day phases (started day 3) it got destroyed night 4 (when I was targeted) but I salvaged a kit from it and gave it to TC.

Full DNA kit was the big project, okay, that makes a bit of sense. What I don't get is the "takes two day phases to create", which is the same amount of time for a forensic kit to be created (the day after you passed one out plus the day before the night you pass one out).

How is it a 'big project' if it takes the same amount of time as a lesser project?

Night 6 I tried to give another kit to TC (as he used the one I gave him)

Here's where I get really concerned. TC never received any response from Uraj, negative or positive. According to your kit's description, he should have gotten at least a negative result, but all he got was silence. Why would that be?

I don't believe you are really a scientist. I think, instead of making forensic kits, you instead create false messages that are passed to players via the moderator. You only do these the days you don't kidnap, though. You didn't want to do it night #1, because that's too early to create a believable cover story, but by night 3, you came up with a (admittedly good) plan to pretend to create items.

But there really aren't any items, are there? That's why TC never got a response from Uraj. Can't get a result from something that doesn't exist.

Zarniwoop said:
Then what does nobody-->cgb mean?

It means I watched over CgB and saw nobody visit him.



 
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Interesting; why do you specifically feel the need to point out the phrase "staying at the resort"? I mean, we're all staying here. Why is it important that your role has that mentioned when it's sort of redundant?

I did not need to specifically add that phrase shoot me I guess for adding some creative licence. And no that's not the wording on my role note - I'm not wanting to break the game roles on that! I almost did earlier (read on)

P.S. - I consider no fact beyond reproach. "Nothing is true, everything is permitted."

Well up to a point yes I agree with you, but sometimes you just have to accept the truth of a situation

Before I visit other points, I just want to make sure the time line is absolutely clear, so forgive me if I repeat some information; it's all for the sake of clarity.

Night 1: No action
Night 2: No action
Night 3: Gives kit #1 to Loz
Night 4: No action
Night 5: Targeted for kill, 'Big project' is destroyed, instead gives kit #2 to TC
Night 6: No action
Night 7: Gives kit #3 to TC
Night 8: No action
Night 9: Kit made, but not passed on.

Right I based mine of Uraj naming convention - Hopefully this is better for you.... I might just be confusing myself here

Night 1: We started at Night if I recall - role detail made clear I could not hand out a forensic kit this night.
Night 2: No action (Leo was taken this night)
Night 3: Gives kit #1 to Loz
Night 4: No action
Night 5: Targeted for kill, 'Big project' is destroyed, instead gives kit #2 to TC
Night 6: No action
Night 7: Gives kit #3 to TC (TC was killed by Sathoris)
Night 8: No action
Night 9: Kit made, but not passed on.

Its rather difficult to get that to line up as Uraj has today as Day 9 but I'm sure you get the gist.


What I'd like to know is why there was no kit build night #1? We know you make kits every other day. So why did you skip a day before starting work on kits? Why did two full nights pass before you finally handed out your first on night 3? Why didn't you start work on a kit day #1, and start handing them out right away?

As I have just said my role note told me I could not the first night, I'm not lying about this, heck it makes me look more guilt than not, actually telling the truth but I'd have to be nuts to be the SK and make you more suspicious! Less you want to run the fortune cookie stuff pass me again!


Full DNA kit was the big project, okay, that makes a bit of sense. What I don't get is the "takes two day phases to create", which is the same amount of time for a forensic kit to be created (the day after you passed one out plus the day before the night you pass one out).

How is it a 'big project' if it takes the same amount of time as a lesser project?

Well it was a one shot ability I had, I just cut and pasted that bit out of my role (thought I might have been modkilled looking back at it), I suspect any longer (to create) and my role would have been unbalanced probably why Uraj kept it the same time as a normal forensic kit.


Here's where I get really concerned. TC never received any response from Uraj, negative or positive. According to your kit's description, he should have gotten at least a negative result, but all he got was silence. Why would that be?

What and that's my fault? How about no response is a negative result, how about uraj forgot to tell TC there is any number of reasons my role desc does not describe how results are returned to whoever uses the kit.

I don't believe you are really a scientist. I think, instead of making forensic kits, you instead create false messages that are passed to players via the moderator. You only do these the days you don't kidnap, though. You didn't want to do it night #1, because that's too early to create a believable cover story, but by night 3, you came up with a (admittedly good) plan to pretend to create items. But there really aren't any items, are there? That's why TC never got a response from Uraj. Can't get a result from something that doesn't exist.

It means I watched over CgB and saw nobody visit him.

That is plain wrongo! It would not mesh with what we know (I repeat KNOW) has happened in this game - Loz confirmed he received a kit, not some message or false info or anything he received the kit, as did TC (hell he used his! - like to see you use a message!) go check out the posts if you don't think I am right - you seem really intent on painting me up here CG - a retort if you will how have you seemingly all game long had detailed knowledge on what the SK would and would not do - Bad Ash did make some good points from page 91 and earlier in the game you seemed to know what was up with the kidnappings before most others


 
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A little summary from the last Mafia Bad guy Bad Ash...

From Cal's quoted posts:

He was the first to notice Leo was "officially dead"

He was the first to know that is was a 3rd party that killed the 2nd night and when confronted by this fact by krazeyivan he tries to pin it on him with bolded letters.

CG response - If I was the SK, why would I bother to reveal myself as a town power role on day three? That defeats the whole purpose of "laying low, avoid attention". That's just asking for mafia to kill me off, not exactly a winning strategy there.

My response - Well its not exactly a winning town strategy either, if your our SK (its looking more likely) you would know its unlikely you would get to end game so you decide to come out with your ability - tracking, hopefully the two sides create the flak you need to survive - your ability helps the town eliminate the mafia (which you want) win win as long as you survive, if you somehow do look at the trump card at the end - who would ever do such a thing!! The SK should be "laying low" and "avoid attention"

Remember CG - "Nothing is true, everything is permitted."
 
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Well it was a one shot ability I had, I just cut and pasted that bit out of my role (thought I might have been modkilled looking back at it), I suspect any longer (to create) and my role would have been unbalanced probably why Uraj kept it the same time as a normal forensic kit.

I think your one shot ability is seriously over the top for this game. In a game where roughly half the town had some kind of information role already, and you with kits that not only were used to determine townies but also possibly match a corpse to a killer, you also have the ability to create an item that essentially gives us one free scum.

In fact, that kit could be so powerful as to completely negate the serial killer's only real advantage. "Use on Leo. Finger baddie. Profit." Even being a one shot item, I think it's unbalanced, and I think you're making it up.

What and that's my fault? How about no response is a negative result, how about uraj forgot to tell TC there is any number of reasons my role desc does not describe how results are returned to whoever uses the kit.

I'm saying it's your fault because it was a fake message. You specifically stated in post #403 that the person using it "will get a result of whether the player killed that the dead person." That sounds to me like we should get some kind of response from Uraj, either positive or negative. But... nothing. Not a peep.

No response is not a result. Uraj doesn't respond to the kit usage because they're fakes.

KrazeyIvan said:
Bad Ash did make some good points from page 91 and earlier in the game you seemed to know what was up with the kidnappings before most others

Bad Ash threw a lot of poo at the wall to see what would stick. He made up a lot of things and tried to discredit me through lies, hoping to save his skin. As a quick example:

Bad Ash said:
He was the first to know that is was a 3rd party that killed the 2nd night and when confronted by this fact by krazeyivan he tries to pin it on him with bolded letters.

Noodle was the first to come up with the idea of a third party, and I never once voted for you. Ever. Not even momentarily, just to scare you. Check the vote history on page one - you won't find it, because it doesn't exist. So how did I try to pin anything on you in bolded letters?

The only things I know about the SK are things that have been presented to the entire town and I've reasoned out. Even CgB mentioned that he was thinking along the same lines, for the same reasons. (reference, post #965)



 
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I have nothing to pin on CG and CGB that I can see.

I'm left with the realization that KI is probably my only play here. I'm not going to make a hasty mistake though. Loz did in fact confirm that he got something.

I am reading as we speak.

It almost has to be CG or KI.
 
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I'm left with the realization that KI is probably my only play here. I'm not going to make a hasty mistake though. Loz did in fact confirm that he got something.

Not trying to correct you, but the basis of my argument is that LoZ and TC received messages stating that they got items, but the messages were falsified.

I have no doubts that Uraj sent LoZ a message stating he received an item. What I'm saying is that I think KI has a power that allows him to create fake messages and send them via the moderator to other players. This allows him to make others think he has a pro-town ability, but when they try using the 'kits', like TC did, they get no reply, because the kits are forgeries.



 
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Okay, on night 7 Sathoris and Ivan visited TC and he was shot.

Two previous times Uraj wrote of the conflict between two killers visiting the same target.

HE DID NOT DO SO ON THIS NIGHT.

If Uraj just didn't write it, there's no way we can possibly be expected to make use of the information we have.

Therefore, I'm left to conclude that CG is our SK.
 
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