Zombie invasion Mafia game.
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Moot point, whatever the mafia discussed could not involve Val not getting a response from his night action because it was still night.
And why would you think his buddies told him to ask? Nobody told him to ask, he was new and wasn't sure wether he'd get a response to his night action.
His case however isn't remotely based on that bit. Don't make it out like it is.
Moot point, whatever the mafia discussed could not involve Val not getting a response from his night action because it was still night.
And why would you think his buddies told him to ask? Nobody told him to ask, he was new and wasn't sure wether he'd get a response to his night action.
His case however isn't remotely based on that bit. Don't make it out like it is.
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I am absolutely convinced. I dont know what your hangup with people using percentages is. I am trying to stress just how convinced I am in light of the facts. Why other people are, I cant say, because im not them.
I am absolutely convinced. I dont know what your hangup with people using percentages is. I am trying to stress just how convinced I am in light of the facts. Why other people are, I cant say, because im not them.
I_Told_You
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His case is based on whether we believe he is mafia or not?
So you acknowledge he is new to the game, and unsure how to react?
He ,as you put it, revenge voted on you appling pressure to him, as a newbie isn't that how people will react? And that is the whole case?
He has a night role, which I believe to be pro-town. Why should we lynch our own people, especially those who may be in the fort already.
His case is based on whether we believe he is mafia or not?
So you acknowledge he is new to the game, and unsure how to react?
He ,as you put it, revenge voted on you appling pressure to him, as a newbie isn't that how people will react? And that is the whole case?
He has a night role, which I believe to be pro-town. Why should we lynch our own people, especially those who may be in the fort already.
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saying you are 100% sure about something when you are going on someones posts is a flat out lie, thats my hangup
saying you are 100% sure about something when you are going on someones posts is a flat out lie, thats my hangup
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No? His case is built on posts in which he showed textbook mafia gameplay.
Erm, we've known he was new for the entire game. But that's also what's so handy about this. There's two reaction he could have. One is from the point of view of a townie and the other from the pov of a mafia.
You're lucky I've got nothing else to do..
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Null tell, mafia are as likely to have a power role as there is that he's inside the town.
A number of errors in here. Granted he says he's speculating, but he's later saying he knows 68% of the roles and he used this information.
Random vote for which he refuses to give reason to later. Also distancing from Ankeli for no reason.
Blindly sheeps the others and vote Noodle. Why vote Noammr with no reason and then vote someone else because the others aren't voting for Noammr aswell. That tends to happen when you don't give a reason.
Refusing to give reason and responding with boo hoo when he's being questioned doesn't help one bit. Obvious fake claim. Deflecting.
Again no defense other than attacking me with a crying baby picture. More deflecting. No information or anything to defend himself. Doesn't know how to because there's no town role to protect.
First time he attempts to defend himself and he does so claiming to know a lot of roles and obviously a power role, trying to deter us into voting him. As we know his earlier list of role descriptions is wrong so he can't have figured out those roles. Obviously lying to prove he's valuable.
OMGUS votes me with no reasoning again other than the fact I've been pushing him. Standard newbie kneejerk mafia reaction.
More "reads" with no evidence and the way he aparently figured out our roles isn't giving any guarentees or anything. More conjecture.
I feel like I'm repeating myself..
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This alone warrants an insta lynch. If for some ungodly reason he turnes out to be town I stand by my case. A player making these posts needs to be lynched to avoid running into him when the lynches matter the most.
No? His case is built on posts in which he showed textbook mafia gameplay.
Erm, we've known he was new for the entire game. But that's also what's so handy about this. There's two reaction he could have. One is from the point of view of a townie and the other from the pov of a mafia.
You're lucky I've got nothing else to do..
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Null tell, mafia are as likely to have a power role as there is that he's inside the town.
A number of errors in here. Granted he says he's speculating, but he's later saying he knows 68% of the roles and he used this information.
Random vote for which he refuses to give reason to later. Also distancing from Ankeli for no reason.
Blindly sheeps the others and vote Noodle. Why vote Noammr with no reason and then vote someone else because the others aren't voting for Noammr aswell. That tends to happen when you don't give a reason.
Refusing to give reason and responding with boo hoo when he's being questioned doesn't help one bit. Obvious fake claim. Deflecting.
Again no defense other than attacking me with a crying baby picture. More deflecting. No information or anything to defend himself. Doesn't know how to because there's no town role to protect.
First time he attempts to defend himself and he does so claiming to know a lot of roles and obviously a power role, trying to deter us into voting him. As we know his earlier list of role descriptions is wrong so he can't have figured out those roles. Obviously lying to prove he's valuable.
OMGUS votes me with no reasoning again other than the fact I've been pushing him. Standard newbie kneejerk mafia reaction.
More "reads" with no evidence and the way he aparently figured out our roles isn't giving any guarentees or anything. More conjecture.
I feel like I'm repeating myself..
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This alone warrants an insta lynch. If for some ungodly reason he turnes out to be town I stand by my case. A player making these posts needs to be lynched to avoid running into him when the lynches matter the most.
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When Val said this the first thing I thought was a neutral role that if targeted could kill who ever targeted him. I would like to hear what he has to say tho. I wont vote him yet, if he is locked he may decide not to say anything
Who says I won't be useful to one faction or another? My Revenant Pie is an indiscriminate killing machine, it all depends on who's the hungry individual that will feed on it... it could be a citizen of the town, a mob of the mafia, or a group of zombies who for some reason decide to change their dietary habits.
Joke aside, I have no idea what vigbait, scummy or NK means. Could someone please share a link to a post or to the thread of one of the older games that have been played here, where I can find the terminology? I'd hate to be asking every time I see a word I don't understand.
When Val said this the first thing I thought was a neutral role that if targeted could kill who ever targeted him. I would like to hear what he has to say tho. I wont vote him yet, if he is locked he may decide not to say anything
I_Told_You
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Yep, let's lynch all the newbies!!!
His reaction don't fit what you would expect to see so let's lynch him.
If I was on a mafia team with a newbie- before the game started I and presumably others would advise them to keep their heads down and not to stick their necks out.
The fact he hasn't and has been quite reckless makes me think he ain't Mafia, he's got a self proclaimed night action, so I am inclined to think he is a town power role.
The only other thing is he could be a third party - Serial killer or neutral, but nothing in the story has suggested the exsistance of other factions.
Yep, let's lynch all the newbies!!!
His reaction don't fit what you would expect to see so let's lynch him.
If I was on a mafia team with a newbie- before the game started I and presumably others would advise them to keep their heads down and not to stick their necks out.
The fact he hasn't and has been quite reckless makes me think he ain't Mafia, he's got a self proclaimed night action, so I am inclined to think he is a town power role.
The only other thing is he could be a third party - Serial killer or neutral, but nothing in the story has suggested the exsistance of other factions.
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Oh for Christ's sake. Stop twisting people's words!!!
Oh for Christ's sake. Stop twisting people's words!!!
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I used the 100% when responding to Val's claim of what each role does. I know, for a fact, that he was wrong on at least two those assumptions. 100%. And there are at least 4 other people in this game who can verify the same. But more than likely there are anywhere from 9-15 people who know he is wrong. If you didn't know he was wrong about those assumptions, then that really narrows down what your possible role is, and let me tell you, mafia scum tops the list. In fact, when and if more roles and abilities are revealed later in the game I strongly urge every single townie too look to the first two days to see which people don't have a clue what the roles are. They would be prime candidates for scum who weren't given town affiliated role pms.
I used the 100% when responding to Val's claim of what each role does. I know, for a fact, that he was wrong on at least two those assumptions. 100%. And there are at least 4 other people in this game who can verify the same. But more than likely there are anywhere from 9-15 people who know he is wrong. If you didn't know he was wrong about those assumptions, then that really narrows down what your possible role is, and let me tell you, mafia scum tops the list. In fact, when and if more roles and abilities are revealed later in the game I strongly urge every single townie too look to the first two days to see which people don't have a clue what the roles are. They would be prime candidates for scum who weren't given town affiliated role pms.
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I fixed it for you.
http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Lynch_All_Liars
I fixed it for you.
http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Lynch_All_Liars
ThunderCat
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Who was it that, about a year ago, said they will never lie in a mafia game and that if he is ever caught lying, he won't play ever again (or something like that)?
Who was it that, about a year ago, said they will never lie in a mafia game and that if he is ever caught lying, he won't play ever again (or something like that)?
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Asrrin- reading your own ideas, you're making a few huge assumptions yourself.
Not to disagree with your view on Val, I agree with most of Sath's takes on his posts, they definitely merit a lynch. The one point I disagree on is his initial post regarding his night action, I think that if he turns up dirty he's more likely to be a sk or some other third party role than a mafia member.
Probably Gorny, it's a well known fact that he's never said anything that wasn't 100% true (look at last game for example).
Asrrin- reading your own ideas, you're making a few huge assumptions yourself.
Not to disagree with your view on Val, I agree with most of Sath's takes on his posts, they definitely merit a lynch. The one point I disagree on is his initial post regarding his night action, I think that if he turns up dirty he's more likely to be a sk or some other third party role than a mafia member.
Probably Gorny, it's a well known fact that he's never said anything that wasn't 100% true (look at last game for example).
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Okay, time to post. My inactivity has only had the effect that I have a ton of things to address at once, and I'm not sure where to start. But since this was a direct question to me, I might start from here:
No, I don't think that, I'm not even quite sure what you mean. I tried to explain it in the post where I voted, it was as if Noodle focused solely on his comment about Ankeli when it became a point of suspicion. He became blind to everything else, hence tunnel visioned. That may be too strong an expression for it, but I felt he explained that comment too often while not talking enough about anything else.
Moving on... While reading the thread, it amazes me that many players are obviously oblivious to the rules and the setup. Thyiad in particular, but she has confessed not to reading the rules, and I can't see that as anything but a null tell - some players just don't care about such details and want to get into the mafia aspect of the game. I noticed this in a game on mafiascum.net, where a town player was mislynched for ignoring the rules, among other things.
Anyway, time to spell some things out. The setup of this game is based on a flash game called Rebuild. The concept of the flash game is that you are in control of a group of survivors who have barricaded a few blocks in the middle of a city against zombies. They have to reclaim new city blocks to add to their fort, invite new survivors to join them, and of course defend themselves.
This is where it gets relevant to our game here. Whoever thought that the presence of a police station would indicate a cop role, based on the flash game that is probably incorrect. In that game, police stations are simply easy places to fortify and defend, so they serve as duty stations for soldiers guarding the fort, and nothing else. My assumption is that that is what the police station is for in this game as well, I have yet to see any indication that this was not so.
In the flash game, basic houses serve as homes for the survivors, as they do here. In the flash game, the town also has farms to grow food on, and we may not have those here, since the rules clearly said food must be scavenged.
So much for buildings... then roles. The rules post mentions several roles and part of what they do, and based on the flash game you can guess what the others are for. All of the roles mentioned have equivalents in the flash game, though there everyone can do anything, specialists are just better at it. Scouts (equivalent to leaders) can invite other survivors into the town. Scavengers find food. Engineers seem to be equivalent to builders, which are used in the flash game for all manner of construction, be it barricades or new buildings. Scientists in the flash game can research new technologies which aid the fort in different ways, like how to preserve food or distract zombies. Finally, soldiers are used to guard the fort, kill zombies from areas outside the fort, and accompany other roles to make their missions safer. In this game, the only direct evidence I've seen is that soldiers can defend the fort. Many people speculated that they could aid other roles somehow, but I don't know about that. Finally, most survivors are just plain civilians who are not experts at anything.
I can't say I would've kept track of the hints and soft claims of different roles, but I'd guess we have at least two of each of the aforementioned roles. Probably more soldiers than others, those are the specialists that are most useful in the flash game, and looking at the game mechanic here, they are directly responsible for defending the town and ensuring that morale stays up and our lynches work. On top of those, several untrained civilians, the mafia and possible third party roles. I don't think we can look forward to finding traditional mafia roles in our midst, like doctors or cops.
I'd recommend that people pay attention to the posts on page one. The third post in particular is essential. It lists the town status every day and night, and looking at that, it is dead obvious what each power role did last night (well, almost). The scout found another soldier and brought him in. Scavenger found more food. The soldier defended the fort, since the combat report explicitly lists someone on defense. Not sure what the scientist did. On fiture days those reports could become far more interesting. If at any time no new person is invited into the town after a night, it is possible that the player invited was in fact scum. This may be our only way of positively identifying mafia from night actions.
For identifying town, that idea I posted about passing around items among townies could work, though it occurred to me that it may only mean that citizens can receive items. In that case, the plan would only reveal the town power roles, which would obviously be bad. If however a player who is not yet a citizen receives an item, then we can use that as a means to identify another town player.
By the way, the death of the dog is an event that happens frequently in the flash game. Most of the time, the dog alerts the humans to the presence of zombies before it is killed, sometimes one just dies and everyone is sad. I really think that was just random, and not something to think about too much. There are random events that boost morale too, so I would not worry.
So much about game mechanics. Time for some good old scum hunting.
Though it was a while back, two comments I did not particularly like on day one were from Noammr and Krazeyivan. Noammr said Zarniwoop would be mafia because he had not been scum for four consecutive games. Perfect case of Gambler's Fallacy if I ever saw one. Krazeyivan had something similar, where he said if he kept voting me, I'd be scum eventually. Technically true, based on probability and the assumption that we both keep playing, but also completely useless. These comments may have been made in jest though, so I'm not reading too much into them.
I'd like my post restriction, please. I just invoked Gambler's Fallacy for real. You should know I actually like post restrictions.
What I was referring to in my last post about some people claiming plenty of information, it was of course Asrrin and Valhauros. At first it looked like I could draw some fairly solid conclusions from what they said, but now I realize that I'd misread Asrrin.
This was in response to the post by Valhauros, where he claimed to know with a 68% probability what everyone's role was. Curious thing, he never mentioned Gorny in that post at all. Valhauros of course pointed this out, and Asrrin responded that based on his view of things, Valhauros would have to be wrong.
Wrong about what exactly?
I would definitely like to see Valhauros explain his thought process that led to that 68% probability and all, but also what was Asrrin thinking here?
On the topic of Valhauros, he has enough votes to lynch. One more would lock him, so be careful. We still want to hear from him. It occurred to me that there is an explanation for that whole night action thing that would not make him scum, though I'd rather not say it out loud, yet. If he is scum, I'm not going to give him an easy way out. I have to say though, talking about your night action in your first post would be very peculiar for mafia, newbie or no.
Anyone want to bet on a cassock-wearing, gospel-spouting, gun-toting biker gangster? I did not make that up, they are in the flash game.
I remember that Zarniwoop has said that he has never false claimed.
Okay, time to post. My inactivity has only had the effect that I have a ton of things to address at once, and I'm not sure where to start. But since this was a direct question to me, I might start from here:
No, I don't think that, I'm not even quite sure what you mean. I tried to explain it in the post where I voted, it was as if Noodle focused solely on his comment about Ankeli when it became a point of suspicion. He became blind to everything else, hence tunnel visioned. That may be too strong an expression for it, but I felt he explained that comment too often while not talking enough about anything else.
Moving on... While reading the thread, it amazes me that many players are obviously oblivious to the rules and the setup. Thyiad in particular, but she has confessed not to reading the rules, and I can't see that as anything but a null tell - some players just don't care about such details and want to get into the mafia aspect of the game. I noticed this in a game on mafiascum.net, where a town player was mislynched for ignoring the rules, among other things.
Anyway, time to spell some things out. The setup of this game is based on a flash game called Rebuild. The concept of the flash game is that you are in control of a group of survivors who have barricaded a few blocks in the middle of a city against zombies. They have to reclaim new city blocks to add to their fort, invite new survivors to join them, and of course defend themselves.
This is where it gets relevant to our game here. Whoever thought that the presence of a police station would indicate a cop role, based on the flash game that is probably incorrect. In that game, police stations are simply easy places to fortify and defend, so they serve as duty stations for soldiers guarding the fort, and nothing else. My assumption is that that is what the police station is for in this game as well, I have yet to see any indication that this was not so.
In the flash game, basic houses serve as homes for the survivors, as they do here. In the flash game, the town also has farms to grow food on, and we may not have those here, since the rules clearly said food must be scavenged.
So much for buildings... then roles. The rules post mentions several roles and part of what they do, and based on the flash game you can guess what the others are for. All of the roles mentioned have equivalents in the flash game, though there everyone can do anything, specialists are just better at it. Scouts (equivalent to leaders) can invite other survivors into the town. Scavengers find food. Engineers seem to be equivalent to builders, which are used in the flash game for all manner of construction, be it barricades or new buildings. Scientists in the flash game can research new technologies which aid the fort in different ways, like how to preserve food or distract zombies. Finally, soldiers are used to guard the fort, kill zombies from areas outside the fort, and accompany other roles to make their missions safer. In this game, the only direct evidence I've seen is that soldiers can defend the fort. Many people speculated that they could aid other roles somehow, but I don't know about that. Finally, most survivors are just plain civilians who are not experts at anything.
I can't say I would've kept track of the hints and soft claims of different roles, but I'd guess we have at least two of each of the aforementioned roles. Probably more soldiers than others, those are the specialists that are most useful in the flash game, and looking at the game mechanic here, they are directly responsible for defending the town and ensuring that morale stays up and our lynches work. On top of those, several untrained civilians, the mafia and possible third party roles. I don't think we can look forward to finding traditional mafia roles in our midst, like doctors or cops.
I'd recommend that people pay attention to the posts on page one. The third post in particular is essential. It lists the town status every day and night, and looking at that, it is dead obvious what each power role did last night (well, almost). The scout found another soldier and brought him in. Scavenger found more food. The soldier defended the fort, since the combat report explicitly lists someone on defense. Not sure what the scientist did. On fiture days those reports could become far more interesting. If at any time no new person is invited into the town after a night, it is possible that the player invited was in fact scum. This may be our only way of positively identifying mafia from night actions.
For identifying town, that idea I posted about passing around items among townies could work, though it occurred to me that it may only mean that citizens can receive items. In that case, the plan would only reveal the town power roles, which would obviously be bad. If however a player who is not yet a citizen receives an item, then we can use that as a means to identify another town player.
By the way, the death of the dog is an event that happens frequently in the flash game. Most of the time, the dog alerts the humans to the presence of zombies before it is killed, sometimes one just dies and everyone is sad. I really think that was just random, and not something to think about too much. There are random events that boost morale too, so I would not worry.
So much about game mechanics. Time for some good old scum hunting.
Though it was a while back, two comments I did not particularly like on day one were from Noammr and Krazeyivan. Noammr said Zarniwoop would be mafia because he had not been scum for four consecutive games. Perfect case of Gambler's Fallacy if I ever saw one. Krazeyivan had something similar, where he said if he kept voting me, I'd be scum eventually. Technically true, based on probability and the assumption that we both keep playing, but also completely useless. These comments may have been made in jest though, so I'm not reading too much into them.
I'd like my post restriction, please. I just invoked Gambler's Fallacy for real. You should know I actually like post restrictions.
What I was referring to in my last post about some people claiming plenty of information, it was of course Asrrin and Valhauros. At first it looked like I could draw some fairly solid conclusions from what they said, but now I realize that I'd misread Asrrin.
This was in response to the post by Valhauros, where he claimed to know with a 68% probability what everyone's role was. Curious thing, he never mentioned Gorny in that post at all. Valhauros of course pointed this out, and Asrrin responded that based on his view of things, Valhauros would have to be wrong.
Wrong about what exactly?
I would definitely like to see Valhauros explain his thought process that led to that 68% probability and all, but also what was Asrrin thinking here?
On the topic of Valhauros, he has enough votes to lynch. One more would lock him, so be careful. We still want to hear from him. It occurred to me that there is an explanation for that whole night action thing that would not make him scum, though I'd rather not say it out loud, yet. If he is scum, I'm not going to give him an easy way out. I have to say though, talking about your night action in your first post would be very peculiar for mafia, newbie or no.
Anyone want to bet on a cassock-wearing, gospel-spouting, gun-toting biker gangster? I did not make that up, they are in the flash game.
I remember that Zarniwoop has said that he has never false claimed.
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Feysal, to answer your question, I later realized after I posted that, regardless of gorny's real role, I could still deduce Val was wrong about role abilities. As I've said several times in this day phase, unless you are a vanilla townie, you should have a good idea about the night actions of certain roles. I've systematically deduced that Val could not be any of said power roles, and has most definitely claimed a night action role. Since that rules out vanilla townie, and I ruled out known power roles, and you and I and many other people agree that other power roles are unlikely, the only thing left is scum.
Feysal, to answer your question, I later realized after I posted that, regardless of gorny's real role, I could still deduce Val was wrong about role abilities. As I've said several times in this day phase, unless you are a vanilla townie, you should have a good idea about the night actions of certain roles. I've systematically deduced that Val could not be any of said power roles, and has most definitely claimed a night action role. Since that rules out vanilla townie, and I ruled out known power roles, and you and I and many other people agree that other power roles are unlikely, the only thing left is scum.
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I recall saying something similar but I thought it was in the Pal game when I had a role and they killed me. Can't remember if the town lost but if it did, it deserved it.
/OT
I recall saying something similar but I thought it was in the Pal game when I had a role and they killed me. Can't remember if the town lost but if it did, it deserved it.
/OT
ThunderCat
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The following is a warning to Kijya. If you do not post the required contributive post by the end of this day (6 hours and 12 minutes from this post ) I will be forced to modkill you.
The following is a warning to Kijya. If you do not post the required contributive post by the end of this day (6 hours and 12 minutes from this post ) I will be forced to modkill you.
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I'm surprised I even got a warning, no worries was planning to post before the day ends (in about 5 hours now if I'm not mistaken). Not sure if had been much of a contribution though ... now it's kinda awkward to post in responce to anything but your warning. :whistling:
Guess I'll throw in a claim, I'm definitely not part of the mafia. Not that anyone has raised much suspicion towards me yet, but my lack of posts could be indeed be questioned ...
I'm surprised I even got a warning, no worries was planning to post before the day ends (in about 5 hours now if I'm not mistaken). Not sure if had been much of a contribution though ... now it's kinda awkward to post in responce to anything but your warning. :whistling:
Guess I'll throw in a claim, I'm definitely not part of the mafia. Not that anyone has raised much suspicion towards me yet, but my lack of posts could be indeed be questioned ...
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