Y.A.W.P's Warcraft Themed Pen 'n Paper RPG style Mafia Game Game Thread

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There are other things I have to share, and intend to say before I go, if indeed I must go. Now, I'd like an opinion from others, Uraj and Goryani especially. Should I reveal the town recruiter? I expect the answer is yes, if I don't do it today I never will. But if I do so, there will be no turning back, and we have to finish this today one way or another.

I think you might have to reveal the town recruiter. Tell me it's not Bad Ash though since he's already chosen to engage someone. Wait to see what Goryani says though, if you can.

If Sathoris does happen to be the cult recruiter, its going to need to be the town recruiter + hopefully some adventurers that attacks him first. I doubt my stats are high enough to directly challenge him but I might be able finish him off should he win that battle. Sathoris will also be receiving a stat increase after the battle.

@Bad Ash
Trionth has been looking town to me, hard to say with the recruiting though. I agree with your read on Nolecub, he's the one I suspect most for another cultist.



 
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Now, I'd like an opinion from others, Uraj and Goryani especially. Should I reveal the town recruiter? I expect the answer is yes, if I don't do it today I never will. But if I do so, there will be no turning back, and we have to finish this today one way or another.

If the townie recruiter is involved in a fight, they should be revealed as a result of the fight. If the townie recruiter isn't involved in a fight today, I think there will be a 50/50 chance to identify them. There are two nights of no kills. Potentially two players checked for townie recruiter status already and another check each night. Those are grim prospects for trying to stay hidden.

Without knowing the criteria for losing , and without knowing what other knowledge the recruiter could bring to the discussion (other recruits, failed recruits, etc) I think the recruiter is the best person to ask that question of. I can't judge the risk vs. reward properly. I can only theorize what they know.

For what it's worth, my status has not changed. If I'm recruited, I don't know about it.



 
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I agree that being involved in a fight would reveal the town recruiter. Also, the lack of a night kill is significant. The cult may have tried to attack me to see if I was bluffing about being nightkill resistant, or they may have found the town recruiter by trying and failing to kill him, which would be a good reason to share that information with the town too. Odds are the town recruiter can't stay hidden through today anyway.

Still no PM or new dossier. It might not matter though, I'm all but certain that Sathoris is the cult recruiter and Nolecub his only recruit. If we're lucky, they could be the only cultists left alive.

How strong are you anyway, Uraj? If you don't want the whole town to know that's fine, from what I could tell before you'd be outmatched if you tried to fight the cult recruiter though, and you'd have to be lucky to cause any damage. I'd be outclassed and unable to hurt him at all. This means we should lynch Sathoris, not fight him, and hope he does not slip away from that.
 
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Vote: Sathoris

most likely wont work but i am on board
 
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That is actually an idea. I remember back in the Wild West game, a locked player was unable to shoot. Could the same thing work here with fights? If I'm right about Sathoris being the cult recruiter, this would be the only way I could save my hide. I'd have no chance of winning the fight, and my odds of fleeing would be remote.

Vote: Sathoris

There are nine of us left, so we need five to lynch and six to lock. That means we'd need every non-cult player to vote, assuming there are three cultists. If we are lucky, there could be only two though... that would make this easier.
 
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Just an addition to the above... Uraj claimed an anti-town investigation result of Sathoris, and he is confirmed by investigating nurman before. Voting Sathoris should really be a no-brainer.
 
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we should see alignments from this plan as well as it is the best plan and option we have at this point in time.

lets see whos in for the vote on sathoris
 
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How strong are you anyway, Uraj? If you don't want the whole town to know that's fine, from what I could tell before you'd be outmatched if you tried to fight the cult recruiter though, and you'd have to be lucky to cause any damage. I'd be outclassed and unable to hurt him at all. This means we should lynch Sathoris, not fight him, and hope he does not slip away from that.

My stats started as 10DPS/4HPS/8 Tank, after the fight with nurman they improved to 11DPS/4HPS/9 Tank. So you were pretty close with your estimate. My point is that being wounded would lower his effective stats for the day. Of course he will probably gain something from fighting you. And if the town recruiter fought him and lost he'd gain more. Which could cancel out the losses from being wounded. There's also another recruit chance for him if the lynch fails. Though I'm kinda afraid he might have the lynch resistance also. I'm not sure which is the better choice, fighting him or lynching him.

But I guess it depends on if the town recruiter wants to attack him or not.

Vote: Sathoris


Not sure this will actually work out like the wild west game since he's already initiated the fight. In that game did it just prevent future shoot actions or was there a situation where a previous shot was canceled?



 
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Right, I forgot about injuries lowering the effective stats. If the cult recruiter was seriously injured, you might be able to finish him off.

In the Wild West game, every shot that was fired was resolved pretty quickly, in the order that they were fired. None of them were ever canceled due to lynches, every anti-town made sure to fire a shot before being locked, if I recall right. We have a different mechanic here though.

If it is not obvious enough, I am stalling the fight with Sathoris, since I fully expect to lose. I should've gotten a dossier last night, and I should've been able to reveal the information from that first thing today. Until I've shared my information, I won't walk to my death. There is a chance I can escape alive, but it is so remote I can't count on it.
 
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Should I reveal the town recruiter?

Isn't it obvious?

You can lynch me but it would be without result. My half orc-ogre body can withstand night kills and lynches. My badass role leads me to believe yours can't be true. You and Uraj are in in together.

Yes, I've got inside information too. I tried to convince the rest reasonably but you kept lucking out. No matter, my role was created to take matters into my own hand and that is exactly what I will do.


 
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More powerful then an unkillable cop with strong stats? More powerful then another cop with strong stats?
 
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ok well i dont know if theres anything in the rules about this, but I think we all fight sathoris. My fight hasnt happened yet so I am hoping to take it back. If not then I could argue that I am in line to fight Sathoris first anyways even though I am not quite sure that day even started.....anywho just to try to get YAWP attention to this

Unfight: Nolecub

Fight: Sathoris

lets see if that works, I encourage others to jump on board as well
 
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Oh dear Bad Ash, I'm afraid my defenses will be quite operational when your friends arrive.
 
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In the event Feysal dies in the fight, the lynch votes will change from 5/6 to 4/5. The same people needed to lynch now will still need to lynch later (minus Feysal). If Nolecub dies as well, the lynch votes will still be 4/5. If Nolecub is a cultist, Sathoris could still be lynched. However, if Nolecub isn't a cultist, Sathoris won't be lynched if there are still 3 cultists left.

Vote: Sathoris

Sathoris has a long way to go to prove himself pro-town. "I'm Rexxar" is about as believable this game as "I'm a cop, Feysal is anti-town." Without backing up claims, it's assumed the claimer isn't telling the truth. There's too much information floating about to trust blindly.

One other thing to think about: When do parties enter into the picture?

Isn't it obvious?
If Feysal and Uraj are telling the truth, yes. If they aren't, as you imply, then no.

Yes, I've got inside information too. I tried to convince the rest reasonably but you kept lucking out. No matter, my role was created to take matters into my own hand and that is exactly what I will do.

Do tell. I'm always receptive.

I admit Feysal's initial claim caused me to seriously consider it a fake. Nothing he said about Gorny wasn't already known or could be proven. Gorny dropped enough hints about being a rogue, several players picked up and commented on it. The backstabbing comment fits any rogue, so it wasn't much of a prediction but could easily look like one. The 4/1/1 stats were first mentioned by me but could be guessed by the cultist recruiter as well. Feysal never mentioned being an Adventurer. Neither has Uraj. That seemed odd to me, though it's probably some aspect of the game I don't know about yet. The names were detailed enough to be believable, but obscure enough a duplicate was doubtful. Again, if he was a recruiter, he could know about choosing names already, so the name wasn't definitive. The nights receiving dossiers correspond with nights having a night kill (at the time) so they could have been obtained via night kill (obviously, Gorny wasn't night killed, but it was possible the townie recruiter was). The links in the roles I've already brought up, and no one aside from Feysal has commented on, though I see you followed the pattern. The revelation about the townie recruiter has yet to be proven true, and it can't be disproved without the townie recruiter coming forward. For all we know, the cult have severely weakened the town already and just need that piece of information to win. Sacrificing one or more cultists to draw out that winning info would be a smart play.

Uraj's claim wasn't prefect either. His name and role are similar enough to Feysal's that it could be faked. Noodle was night killed, so it's easy to assume he was pro-town. Only another cop or townie recruiter would be able to refute the result. A no result is common enough in our games it is more likely to put suspicion on the person investigated than the investigator. Standing up for Feysal is assumed if they are both faking it. Mafia standing up for someone they know to be pro-town is easy if only Uraj is faking it. Knowing nurman's result is a valid prediction. However, the prediction and fight could be nothing more than an elaborate method of throwing a fellow cultist under the bus. What a tactic, if so.

Since Uraj stood up for Feysal, Feysal isn't likely to be anti-town without Uraj also being anti-town. Fighting Feysal implies you also want to fight Uraj, or vote him. That's quite a pair of claims to disprove (and quite a pair of claims to fake!). Sathoris, if you want to reveal some of this inside information to enlighten us, I'm all ears. But the burden is on you.



 
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Isn't it obvious?

Maybe... but is the name of the town recruiter obvious? The cult would have to know exactly who he was to nightkill him, and the name remains secret.

You can lynch me but it would be without result. My half orc-ogre body can withstand night kills and lynches. My badass role leads me to believe yours can't be true. You and Uraj are in in together.

<sarcasm>
Suuure we are. Everything was going our way, the town was dying from lack of activity, and suddenly we make a ruckus and kill one of our own. Yeah, tell me another one.
</sarcasm>

And you, unlynchable? You might be a slippery one, but no way will I believe you to be completely immune to lynches. If you were unlynchable, why would you say so anyway? You'd watch us try and fail, and then reveal it.

Yes, I've got inside information too. I tried to convince the rest reasonably but you kept lucking out. No matter, my role was created to take matters into my own hand and that is exactly what I will do.

Who do you think you're kidding?

ok well i dont know if theres anything in the rules about this, but I think we all fight sathoris. My fight hasnt happened yet so I am hoping to take it back. If not then I could argue that I am in line to fight Sathoris first anyways even though I am not quite sure that day even started.....anywho just to try to get YAWP attention to this

Unfight: Nolecub

Fight: Sathoris

lets see if that works, I encourage others to jump on board as well

My only problem with this is that Sathoris most likely has a party and can withstand more damage because of that. Come to think, if Nolecub is another party member, it may not matter which of them you fight.

If there was some way for several people to band together now to fight them, then I'd see no problem with this. It doesn't make much sense for us all to wait in line to fight, when we should be attacking together. But that's game mechanics...

YAWP, how would multiple people fighting the same player work? Would they be treated as individual fights and be resolved one by one, or is there any way to team up or otherwise use town numbers to our advantage?

I am considering fighting Nolecub in your stead, since there is a chance I could remove him from the mechanic and leave you with only the party leader to deal with. Uraj may be able to help with that, I doubt I can be of use. I'd want to get a response from YAWP first anyway before we commence fighting.

Oh dear Bad Ash, I'm afraid my defenses will be quite operational when your friends arrive.

Thanks for the warning. You basically reminded me about parties and their effect on fights.



 
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You're naive if you think parties will save yourself and Uraj, Feysal. Tell me, where in the rules do you see the forming of parties? Where is your intel they exist?

Oh no no. It's just you and me Feysal. I'll expose you for what you truly are.
 
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What the heck did I do that everyone wants to fight me? Afaik, there was no attempt to recruit me by either side last night. Of course that means nothing as nothing but a lynch would reveal that. Sine it has been stated that no one can be one shot...my exceptional fleeing skills are on the ready to get out of any and all fights.
 
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Wait, wait, wait... stupid me. I forgot that Uraj already killed off nurman without the party mechanic presenting any sort of problem. That means I'm free to attack Nolecub, take him out of the equation, and leave Sathoris for the more powerful attackers to handle.

Fight: Nolecub
 
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