Mafia: The Gangland Massacre

[MassiveSin]

Re: Mafia: The Gangland Massacre

I correctly identified Mafia Aman and could have probably gotten Jaago too if I tried harder. You were the player that caused unnecessary confusion with wacky ideas that flabbergasted a lot of people. :azn:

Your mistakes:
Believed that Thyiad was mafia.
Believed that Aman was cop, even when he admitted he was mafia and false claimed cop, doctor and bomb.
Believed that the Govenor was pro-mafia even after Liquid posted the role PM.
Believed I was mafia even when they tried to kill me and I was saved.
Believed that there might be 2 mafia teams that targeted the same person 3 nights in a row.

Yes, it's a shame that I die early because the mafia team knows I have a good possibility of catching them. It's unfortuately a sacrafice I have to make in order to give the townies a better chance at winning.

But there is nothing to do but laugh about it and enjoy the ride while it lasts. It's only a game. :thumbsup:

Absoltuely not trying to get the last word in... but you prove my point.
You forgot I was right about the mason in round 1 which you guys lynched.
Never believed Aman & I locked lynched him, this proves you don't read. I believed the governor had knowledge to know Aman wasn't mafia even though his post which cause me to lock lynch him said other wise.
As I said before If the governor had other characteristics LE wouldn't have posted them..
Enough I'm not going to argue you have your logic... ill founded and based on not reading...
Just a game boss but you need to read before you make statements about what other do or did.

 

[Soylentred]

Re: Mafia: The Gangland Massacre

Me going after soy generates information not only on soy, but other who comment/don’t comment on her.

If I had the time to badger all 15 players to elect responses from them, I would do so. But that is impractical because there is not enough time. Also keep in mind of the information overload; townies often complain about being overwhelmed by too much, hence why it’s a recommend idea to only focus on a small group of people at a time.

Spigot, give me you lowdown on Soy. Spare no details.

So you admit your targetting me is simply me being the badgeree du jour.
That makes more sense because certainly there was no basis for your complaints against me. I was going to say suspicions but I just realized you don't have any I am just the person to badger now.
I'm not going around with you anymore on this.
People read my posts. I say things like if, and assume, I'm pretty non committal. Then read Zhao's interpretation of what I posted and you have your answer.
Zhao's baseless circular attack makes no sense.

 

[Zhao_Yue1]

Re: Mafia: The Gangland Massacre

Absoltuely not trying to get the last word in... but you prove my point.
You forgot I was right about the mason in round 1 which you guys lynched.
Never believed Aman & I locked lynched him, this proves you don't read. I believed the governor had knowledge to know Aman wasn't mafia even though his post which cause me to lock lynch him said other wise.
As I said before If the governor had other characteristics LE wouldn't have posted them..
Enough I'm not going to argue you have your logic... ill founded and based on not reading...
Just a game boss but you need to read before you make statements about what other do or did.

You're telling me you knew Yetidiah was Mason on Day 1. I doubt that.
I directly asked you on Day 3 if you believed that Aman was mafia and you said no. You were still trying to justify his bizarre behaviour.

 

[Soylentred]

Re: Mafia: The Gangland Massacre

Does anyone else want to play this game and not the last one?

 

[MassiveSin]

Re: Mafia: The Gangland Massacre

You're telling me you knew Yetidiah was Mason on Day 1. I doubt that.
I directly asked you on Day 3 if you believed that Aman was mafia and you said no. You were still trying to justify his bizarre behaviour.

Vote Zhao_Yue
I seems I'm not the ony person surrfering from your senseless round time of finger pointing. *points to Soy's last post*
I'd again suggest to drop the last game references they have no place in this game. If you want to get into post analysis with me you'll find yourself eating crow. Move on
If you find the need to keep talking about this I invite you to pm me after the game is over or take it up the LE thread again. Either way I look forward to obliterting your logic but keep it out of this thread.

 

[SiTro]

Re: Mafia: The Gangland Massacre

...and now to refresh before posting...Aaagh! After reading Sitros post:
Impressive post Sitro, but your mp system is broken! The main thing about it is that it's a very neat way to pound into our heads the 'fact' that you're not mafia yourself...tell me, quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

Isn't that you guys? If I may be so bold as to quote myself:

Trust no one implicitly. Decide for yourselves, especially when reading posts like this. Sure, these 'monster' '2000 word essays' are still useful, but you have to consider always whether you think the conclusions of the author are justified. And if you disagree, does that make you suspicious of anything about how they are playing.

Actually one common feature of these games is for the players to be posting suspect lists of who they think are suspicious. What the Mafia Points system actually does is generalise this to give an indication of how often players are making errors I consider to be suspicious and compare them against all other flagged players. Note that this doesn't rank them on a qualitative basis - a player who said "I'm a mafia... LYNCH ME!!!" could in theory score less points than someone who repeated anti-lynch sentiments 2000 times or so. Most of the time it also shows the parts of the post where I felt shady shenanigans were going on.

I almost gave you some Mafia Points for daring to suggest a system invented by me could possess a flaw. I let you off for appropriate use of a latin phrase.

Ha ha good one basically who watches the watcher ?

Essentially, yes. I'm sorry to say that the first instance I came across of it being used was in Dan Brown's book, Digital Fortress. The phrase has stuck with me, the plot hasn't.

Sitro is always in the position of the wise poster on whose analysis everyone waits...

Am I?

...but of course this does not say he is pro town.

Agree with this. You catch on quick...

I support lynch everyday as well and of course not random lynch for 3 reasons:
The mafia is not lynching randomly - they know who the townies are and will steer us away from one of theirs.
No lynch is no chance at all to lynch mafia as opposed to approximately 1 out of 4 or 5 based on 3 or 4 mafia in the game. 20-25% odds are better than zero.
Voting patterns - we can't determine anything unless there is a lynch and role reveal.

...but I'm not sure about why you question my townieship in the first part of your post then go on to discuss themes I've been preaching all game. Food for thought: Does this tell me something about you or should it tell you something about me?

Sitro aspires to be like me, but often falls short. :grin:

Your comment here probably shouldn't have been followed directly by mine here:

The other thing to consider is that it's not just the identity of the lynchee that we learn. If someone is going to be lynched then people have to vote for them, and often a lot can be learned from looking at how people vote.

Thanks for bringing this up, I totally forgot about this.

Tell you what, since you're better at the grandstanding and whatnot I'll let you get on with that while I do the running about and getting shot at and catch our mafia?

Probably? As Zhao said, it's not the same setup. Lovers to me seem like masons with an added clause. I know if I was hosting and thinking of including lovers, I wouldn't add in masons as well.

I know its not the same situation Zhao, but we had lovers and masons in the last game, and I think its likely that we have at least one set.

Who are you talking to? :tongue: I'd agree there's a high chance that there's at least one set of townies who converse at night. But I'm not certain, so keeping my options open.

I do have a bit of a problem with this, I would appreciate your long-term (ie covering a large amount of post history) analysis more if it was a little more pithy, I realise that its helpful in that it allows comparison of quite a lot of whats been going on, but it can also be difficult to read, especially when you're covering a lot of different points.

I'll try and bear that in mind for future posts. Maybe grouping responses by theme? I doubt I'll have enough time to write another post on that scale to be honest, it consumed a couple of hours or so. (with breaks to wander off and pester housemates, get a hot chocolate etc :grin

@ Sitro. One more thing about the mafiapoint system. Keep in mind that that system lets lurkers go unharmed, as not posting helps them keep their clean sheet.

Good point. However it's easy enough to keep track of lurkers. Open thread, go to the bar at the top, "Search in this thread", "Advanced Search", "Search for posts by <Evil lurking mafia scum*>"

Who made it to the second to last round Zhao and who died in round 3?
Let that speak for itself...
...
Enough about that game its over and I survived long than you did...(no sying that better player die early or you were careless)

Fallacy, and at worst taunting. You survived because you weren't perceived as a threat to the mafia. Zhao died because of a pre-existing vendetta that I did my best to thwart. Your obssession with this leaves me inclined towards the worst case here. MP.

And lets concentrate on this game shall we....

Lets. What do you have to say about this round? What analysis can you bring to the table as a role-less townie?

Ray was supposed to put that in italics if it was storytelling. Can we infer anything from that?

While within the letter of the law, that's probably not part of the spirit in which it was written. :grin:

Absoltuely not trying to get the last word in... but you prove my point.
You forgot I was right about the mason in round 1 which you guys lynched.
Never believed Aman & I locked lynched him, this proves you don't read. I believed the governor had knowledge to know Aman wasn't mafia even though his post which cause me to lock lynch him said other wise.
As I said before If the governor had other characteristics LE wouldn't have posted them..
Enough I'm not going to argue you have your logic... ill founded and based on not reading...
Just a game boss but you need to read before you make statements about what other do or did.

And lets concentrate on this game shall we....

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If you want to get into post analysis with me you'll find yourself eating crow.

I know this wasn't exactly aimed at myself or the town in general. But please, I've picked out a few parts of your posts now that I found jarring and I'd love to hear what your reaction to them is. In particular I'd be especially interested to listen to more reasoning behind your vote than "He made me look silly in a previous game", and if you have any other suspects beyond Mr. Zhao. I look forward to the destruction of my logic,

Sincerely,

SiTro.

The all important leaderboard (subjectively):

+------------+-------------+
|Player      | Mafia Points|
+------------+-------------+
|   Ankeli   |      4      |
| Soylentred |      3      |
| MassiveSin |      2      |
|    Hey     |      2      |
|ogogo on ice|      1      |
+------------+-------------+

*Trial and error required

 

[MassiveSin]

Re: Mafia: The Gangland Massacre

Lets. What do you have to say about this round? What analysis can you bring to the table as a role-less townie?

That your little point table this game is an excellent smokescreen if your mafia since people do not read every postand just look for the sum it up highlights from a "heavy poster". garuntee people are just doing that already.

I wasn't going to blurt that out till I got a repeat pattern of it as well as who your tendacy to isolate a rifle shot at players and then cross reference their posts but hey you asked...

If anyone else wants me to give my thoughts feel free to ask.

 

[MassiveSin]

Re: Mafia: The Gangland Massacre

Forgot to answer your question about my vote.
If a player can't represent their case without fiction they get my vote.
My reason for ZY: Since one person already doesn't have at least 7 votes the mafia are waiting for the town to pick someone then they will banwagon along with them as time draws to a close. I want to spread my vote out, not vote with the wolf pack first round lynchers to avoid a lynch today and avoid lynching a cop/cornor/or doctore before they have a chance to use thier abilities in round 1.

 

[Soylentred]

Re: Mafia: The Gangland Massacre

Agree with this. You catch on quick...

...but I'm not sure about why you question my townieship in the first part of your post then go on to discuss themes I've been preaching all game. Food for thought: Does this tell me something about you or should it tell you something about me?

Not sure if my quotes within your quote is coming through here.
In fact my comment watching the watcher and then about the need to lynch was in a post addressed to Nammr.
A few were discussing no lynch and I was speaking to all as I remembered what it was like for the cop when there was a no lynch day. That comment was not intended to support your themes in particular so it is not a contradiction
What does it tell me about you? Again that you want a lynch everyday as well. Most of the town wants a lynch everyday and certainly every one of the mafia. What does that tell me about you? Again that you are the wise poster that all await but it does not prove your protownieness.

 

[SiTro]

Re: Mafia: The Gangland Massacre

Why don't you give thoughts on the key liabilities in your opinion? It'd open up more discussion and hopefully help the town root out mafia.

I can see how the points table can 'help' lazy people play this game. Do you think I'm mafia?

 

[Zhao_Yue1]

Re: Mafia: The Gangland Massacre

Vote Zhao_Yue
I seems I'm not the ony person surrfering from your senseless round time of finger pointing. *points to Soy's last post*
I'd again suggest to drop the last game references they have no place in this game. If you want to get into post analysis with me you'll find yourself eating crow. Move on
If you find the need to keep talking about this I invite you to pm me after the game is over or take it up the LE thread again. Either way I look forward to obliterting your logic but keep it out of this thread.

It's actually finger pointing + evidence against soy. Senseless is a qualifying term that should be valued by the reader.

You're right, I'm actually being a hypocrite when I'm referring to the last game, but say that past games should not be used to judge things in this game. I was getting a bit too worked up because I dislike giving up the last word. I'm going to guess that eating crow is a bad thing so I'll take the safe route and cringe in fear from your bold statement.

Since you have stated that you do not like to lynch randomly on the first day, I'm going to deduce that you strongly feel I am mafia, because I antagonize people for information. Any other additional reasons? Please don't say retalitory, because that is not a very good reason.

 

[SiTro]

Re: Mafia: The Gangland Massacre

When I posted #110 I could see up to #107. As such my comments were directed towards MassiveSin

 

[BobTheWarrior]

Re: Mafia: The Gangland Massacre

...same veign(?)...

vein.

tail in a 2000 word essee

essay

reguardless

regardless

suspicioun

suspicion

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About lynching:
People should be lynched when there is something to be learned from killing them. Lynching for the sake of lynching, from an odds standpoint, will not work but lynching someone every day gives us information as to who is working with who. Obviously the mafia will work to blend in as much as possible, even to the point of fighting with each other to throw off suspicion.

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I'd like to see bob's next post after he's taken the time to read the whole thread (one more chance, bob)...I do think he was awfully quick with an accusing finger though.

Yep, sure was.

Unvote: Soylentred

She provided a wealth of information about her, most of which leads me to believe she is not mafia. In fact, I'm beginning to suspect her attacker.


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I just hope to god that this isn't a Sitro/Zhao/Aman mafia game... that would be kinda scary

Indeed. I'd actually like to see that game played at some point :evil:

Does anyone else want to play this game and not the last one?

:laugh:


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The other thing to consider is that it's not just the identity of the lynchee that we learn. If someone is going to be lynched then people have to vote for them, and often a lot can be learned from looking at how people vote.

Thanks for bringing this up, I totally forgot about this. By lynching everyday we learn more roles and can use this information for future decisions. Having the mafia make more kills takes valuable information away from us.

You totally forgot about this?!? That's the whole point of lynching at every chance! Sure, we may be wrong, but we learn from our mistakes!

<sarcasm>
Of course, I forgot, you're the great Zhao, bagger of Mafia, you somehow already know who the mafia are and can spot them without needing to see who they did or didn't vote for. </sarcasm> <or is it sarcasm? :scratch:>

Vote Zhao_Yue

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My suspicions and vibes:

Sitro - Seems strange to me that he isn't weighing in on the Soylentred/Zhao feud by awarding some points.

MassiveSin -

If anyone else wants me to give my thoughts feel free to ask.

What are your thoughts on the players this game, please?

Where's Serdash? Still busy in real life I assume...

Erwwwd - Townie

Ankeli - I give him a better than 50% chance of being mafia. Tough one for me to read. I thought mafia several times last game and was wrong, maybe it's bleed over...

Where's Nolecub?

friedbananazzzz- other than needing three posts to vote for me, not much.

Orphan's only posted once this game, too.

Ogogo/spigot/noammr/hey - not seeing much here, will need more time.

Jaago - for some reason I'm getting a mafia vibe. Vibe people, not suspicion, hence I have no proof to quote. Vibe.

I think that's everyone, and if not, you're not important enough for me to remember you.

I leave you with this thought*:
Thyiad and Aman are both mods. They're names are green. What's the opposite of green?

*This is just something stupid I thought of when I was going to argue a point with Zhao and being facetious, but I decided not to go down that road, but I liked the thought, so I'm posting it.

 

[Zhao_Yue1]

Re: Mafia: The Gangland Massacre

Since you have stated that you do not like to lynch randomly on the first day, I'm going to deduce that you strongly feel I am mafia, because I antagonize people for information. Any other additional reasons? Please don't say retalitory, because that is not a very good reason.

MS posted before my post #111 got in.

So basically you voted for me to spread out the votes to increase the likelyhood of a no-lynch, so we avoid the chance at lynching a power-role before they get to use their ability.

 

[Zhao_Yue1]

Re: Mafia: The Gangland Massacre

She provided a wealth of information about her, most of which leads me to believe she is not mafia. In fact, I'm beginning to suspect her attacker.

Her first 2 posts were filler posts and she was stretching reasoning to look Aman guilty. When I confront her about it, she gave unsatisfactory answers. That is not very wealthy.

You totally forgot about this?!? That's the whole point of lynching at every chance! Sure, we may be wrong, but we learn from our mistakes!

Oh my god you are right! It's the end of the world because Zhao forgot something! Worlds collide! Relationship Zhao has taken over Friend Zhao!

 

[Ray Patean]

Re: Mafia: The Gangland Massacre

No updates, just want to make a comment...


Zhao, that is the second Seinfeld reference I've seen you make in various mafia threads.

<3

 

[Zhao_Yue1]

Re: Mafia: The Gangland Massacre

No updates, just want to make a comment...


Zhao, that is the second Seinfeld reference I've seen you make in various mafia threads.

<3

I miss that show. Good times :grin:

 

[MassiveSin]

Re: Mafia: The Gangland Massacre

Why don't you give thoughts on the key liabilities in your opinion? It'd open up more discussion and hopefully help the town root out mafia.

I can see how the points table can 'help' lazy people play this game. Do you think I'm mafia?

I think your omission of ZE is noteworthy when you were focusing on my posts defending my game credibilty from his pot shots.
Maybe your pals, maybe your partners, maybe your just "seasoned" mafia players since you both participate in every thread I read. To early for me to point fingers

Calling it a night for now 2314 here and I need to be at work of 0700.
Bob I'll post my opinion after I get settled in at work. (If I am not lynched, etc)

 

[SiTro]

Re: Mafia: The Gangland Massacre

I'm likely to quote and comment on players when I see flaws in their reasoning, or if they're asking me about something or commenting on my posts. I'm not about to go patting people on their backs for making posts I vaguely agree with, or can say "Yes, I can see why they would draw that conclusion."

Maybe I am too 'seasoned'. I would suggest though that you decide that for each of us separately. There exist threads where only one of us plays the game.

It's never to early to point fingers if someone is behaving suspiciously.

Have a good day at work.


In any case, since she's been lingering around the top of my suspicious list for some time and based on what she's posted I'd suspect her more than the current leader...

Vote: Soylentred

 

[SiTro]

Re: Mafia: The Gangland Massacre

Bob: I'm not weighing in on the Zhao/Soylentred conversation by attributing points because I'm not seeing much to give points for outside the context of a heated conversation. The Mafia Points aren't meant to be more than my own personal view of who I think is suspicious, certainly not an objective judgement of mafiacity. As such, since I'm not detecting any evil from the conversation itself I see little reason to intervene.